Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
is that loop using the last eyelet hole in the shoes ?? or without ?
Yonex Power Cushion Eclipsion 4
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Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
It is wider in the front than before. but it isn't wide shoes by any means, it is just wider than it was before. I didnt' feel any issues with cramped up feet in the front while hitting for 1.5 hours.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
do you think i should return it or should i keep it an keep trying to see if i can get used to it ?
BaronVonSlam
Rookie
Typically you would use the loop with the last two holes, so yes you could use the very last hole.
BaronVonSlam
Rookie
Hard for me to say, but if the racers loop doesn't help, then question is whether you like the shoes enough to keep them and try to make them work for you
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Well i think i can just tighten up the shoelaces with racers loop and make the ankle more stable, i don't have noticeble heel slippage so not bad. But the real issue is that 1st step, it felt sluggish, not any worse than Eclipsion 3 though. I just got used to this ultralight Ubersonic 4 shoes. and i keep comparing it to that which isn't fair to this eclipsion 4.
jmacdaununder2
Legend
Thanks for the info; if the forefoot width is the same or wider than the E2s I’ll give them a shot, especially when a brighter clay court version comes out. Still wearing clay and hardcourt VC4s and a pair of knits currently, along with my last pair of E2s with a racer’s loop.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Thanks for the info; if the forefoot width is the same or wider than the E2s I’ll give them a shot, especially when a brighter clay court version comes out. Still wearing clay and hardcourt VC4s and a pair of knits currently, along with my last pair of E2s with a racer’s loop.
TW has this shoe at 14.9 OZ,, wow that's heavier than i thought
Yonex PC Eclipsion 4 Wine Red Men's Shoe | Tennis Warehouse (tennis-warehouse.com)
Just got these E4 shoes and yes I was surprised, my size 8 actually weighs more than the E3, 13.4 Oz vs 12.6 Oz, so about 5% heavier...despite all the claims of weight reduction in the uppers. I think maybe its due to the less terraced sole in the E4 and slightly thicker foam in the forefoot (E3s have more heel-toe drop). I would still consider it a tweener shoe even with the maximalist leaning design elements though.
Also interesting to note is the increase in hardness of the 'endurance rubber'. E3s came in at 73A (similar to Vapor Pros, Ubersonic 4s and On Roger Pros for reference) but E4s are 80A (same as the new Barricades and LCS T01s) so the E4 outsole should last measurably longer but won't be quite as grippy as the E3s were.
I think the less outright performance offered by the E4s is why its seeing a slow uptake with the tour players still using E3s. Stan the man is just a glorified wear tester at this point cause he doesn't have a real chance to win big matches anymore...no offense intended...
Anyway I hope this info helps someone considering E4s!
aballester8
New User
PoBoyR6 nailed it IMO...both Hurkacz and Ruud still holding firm on the E3 camp. Frankly the E4s feel like a very different shoe. The E3 is significantly more stable on lateral movement. At the speed those guys are moving and recovering, honestly, I don't care how much lighter the E4s might be....those guys are super quick....they don't need to be faster. They need energy return on that first step. Luckily, I'm still finding E3s on **** and Amazon.
d-quik
Hall of Fame
E4 is heavier than E3
XFactorer
Hall of Fame
I've been slowly trying to break in my pair.
Quick thoughts (can't compare them to any of the previous Eclipsions):
* Left shoe is really tight around forefoot - really hurts the outside of my foot when I wear them too long. Right shoe is fine.
* Digging the traction, no slipping or sliding - no exposed plastic shank like the Speed FF or Vapor Pro
* There's no cushioned feeling in the shoe (coming from GP Turbos)
* Laces are very long - I used the last eyelets just to eat up some lace length
Those are my main thoughts. After four sessions. Really hoping the left shoe will fully soften so my foot doesn't pulsate in pain after an hour of play.
Quick thoughts (can't compare them to any of the previous Eclipsions):
* Left shoe is really tight around forefoot - really hurts the outside of my foot when I wear them too long. Right shoe is fine.
* Digging the traction, no slipping or sliding - no exposed plastic shank like the Speed FF or Vapor Pro
* There's no cushioned feeling in the shoe (coming from GP Turbos)
* Laces are very long - I used the last eyelets just to eat up some lace length
Those are my main thoughts. After four sessions. Really hoping the left shoe will fully soften so my foot doesn't pulsate in pain after an hour of play.
OnyxZ28
Hall of Fame
Hahaha nice one...I didn't know Ferrari even had a playbook!
The Ferrari F1 tie-ins are real with the E4s...you can see the side pod aero design elements in the uppers as Foot Doc mentions in his review, the hard compound rubber, heavier weight and the overall lack of performance compared to E3s given so much time and effort seemingly put into the design. I can somewhat imagine Hurkacz and Ruud as bemused as Lewis, Max and Russell that Wawrinka is playing on E4s...
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Steve Johnson dumped his Yonex shoes and was wearing the Asic speed FF2 at the US open against Grigor Dimitrov. that yonex eclipsion 4 shoes must not have been working for him. Asic shoes didn't work either,, in the 1st round...
Ryanblessed
Semi-Pro
Just personally, EC4 is with slippery heel, and I almost sprained my ankle during the sliding. I would say EC3 at least doing a bit better on this.
Not sure if it's just myself.
Not sure if it's just myself.
OldManStan
Rookie
My pair of EC4s is super tight in the forefoot area. Rubs against my pinky toe . Traction is great though. Feels like a new pair of basketball shoes on a clean court.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Casper got to the US open final wearing this shoes at the open so can't be that bad
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finalfantasy7
Semi-Pro
any from TW ref answer this, on the europe website, thrs no red colour eclipsion 4's ? just white / black / navy
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
They might be just out. ask TW europe in their email question inquirie section and email them
finalfantasy7
Semi-Pro
they've never had this colour listed ever since shoe came out, but will email them- thanks
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
or TW USA can still ship it to you. overseas shipping
finalfantasy7
Semi-Pro
so what are the main differences between the 3 and 4, ive currently wearing the 3's bought them in february, love them by far the best tennis shoe, love the ultra traction you get/ roomy/ shoe is very secure even the upper - unlike the vapor's- ive always been worn the vapor - will never go back to them
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Better cushioning better support in the ankles and bit more faster
jmacdaununder2
Legend
So 4s are more fasterer than 3s?
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
i think it is faster for sure especially on the baseline movement, also it gives you more of explosive pushoff on your serves and overheads
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Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Played another match today, just a informal club match. but the shoes just felt fine when my leg was fresh in the beginning of the match. But then when my leg got tired, it was really tough to serve and volley. It was like as though my feet was saying,, hey i don't feel like running up to the net....
It was very strange feeling. But on the positive note,,, Cushioning was great,,, NO pain in my heel or knees with this shoes in 2 hour match.. and it was pretty stable as well,, I think traction was little too sticky for my liking though,, maybe because shoe was new ??
Subway Tennis
Legend
Played another match today, just a informal club match. but the shoes just felt fine when my leg was fresh in the beginning of the match. But then when my leg got tired, it was really tough to serve and volley. It was like as though my feet was saying,, hey i don't feel like running up to the net....
But on the positive note,,, Cushioning was great,,, NO pain in my heel or knees with this shoes in 2 hour match.. and it was pretty stable as well,, I think traction was little too sticky for my liking though,, maybe because shoe was new ??
Would you say you are leaning towards keeping them at this stage or do you think you will go back to the ubersonics?
In my opinion they were a great shoe, but there were one or two issues for me. That was enough for me to move them on. We are in such a golden age for tennis shoes that pretty much anyone can find a shoe that is perfect for them with absolutely no flaws. (albeit for $$$$)
@Subway Tennis, @XFactorer, and others
Thinking of ordering the clay version, are these true to size? Did you order your normal size you wear for other brands?
I'm an US11 and that works for most shoes and that's what I was going to go with here.
Thanks!
Thinking of ordering the clay version, are these true to size? Did you order your normal size you wear for other brands?
I'm an US11 and that works for most shoes and that's what I was going to go with here.
Thanks!
XFactorer
Hall of Fame
Yeah, normal size for me. Men’s 9.5. GP Turbos I’m Men’s 10. Vapor Pro, Vapor Pro 2, ASICS solution speed add, court FF 2 are all 9.5s, too.
But I don’t like this shoe enough to just let it gather dust in the closet. I barely wear it now. It’s not comfortably cushioned and the pressure from the uppers hurts the lateral side of my feet even when I don’t tie them.
But I don’t like this shoe enough to just let it gather dust in the closet. I barely wear it now. It’s not comfortably cushioned and the pressure from the uppers hurts the lateral side of my feet even when I don’t tie them.
Subway Tennis
Legend
I’m 11.5 in these.
Here are some other sizes for reference:
12 in the GP Turbos
11.5 in SFX3s
11.5 in GR8s
11.5 in Jet Mach iiis
11.5 in the NB Lav 2s
11.5 in the Vapor Pros
11 in the Adidas Ubersonic 3s and 4s
11 in the Sole Match Boosts.
I really liked the Yonex PCE4s but not enough to replace my GP Turbos and other shoes in the rotation. They are an incredible shoe, though, and I think they will work for a lot of people.
I know this is a trivial consideration, but they probably are the best looking flagship shoe imo.
Here are some other sizes for reference:
12 in the GP Turbos
11.5 in SFX3s
11.5 in GR8s
11.5 in Jet Mach iiis
11.5 in the NB Lav 2s
11.5 in the Vapor Pros
11 in the Adidas Ubersonic 3s and 4s
11 in the Sole Match Boosts.
I really liked the Yonex PCE4s but not enough to replace my GP Turbos and other shoes in the rotation. They are an incredible shoe, though, and I think they will work for a lot of people.
I know this is a trivial consideration, but they probably are the best looking flagship shoe imo.
Thanks for the info
I think they are a really good looking shoe. Just kind of traditional but with some modern design
PLUS...they have this sweet new colorway on the Yonex site...
POWER CUSHION ECLIPSION 4 CLAY MEN
Endorsed by Casper Ruud, Stan Wawrinka, and Hubert Hurkacz, as well as many others, the ECLIPSION 4 is the most popular shoe among Yonex athletes. With innovative 3D Power Graphite Drive for enhanced stability, along with shock-absorbing POWER CUSHION + technology, this performance shoe is...
www.yonex.com
SupahMan5000
Hall of Fame
still think these shoes look great, wanna give them a try i just dont use yonex rackets and itll throw me off haha
I enjoy it alot for clay court use.
I got my normal 11, which seems a tad big as I don't mind my shoes being a bit snug, particularly on clay.
If I order the new colorway I'll probably try a 10.5.
If the shoe is quality, I could care less the brand, but I get what you're saying.
tennislover2
New User
It does not look like power cushion is in the forefoot in the new model ? ( power cushion was in forefoot and heel in version 3)
Have to watch the foot doctor youtube review as he does tear downs and goes through the shoe pretty thoroughly.
SupahMan5000
Hall of Fame
ordered 2 pairs. will bug me I don't use Yonex racquets but I've heard rave reviews about these and cant beat the price
innoVAShaun
Legend
those are Eclipsion 3's
innoVAShaun
Legend
Thanks for the correction.
jmacdaununder2
Legend
Those polos display a quite sophisticated extrapolation of fragmented Cubism through abstract expressionism kaleidoscopically rendered for commercial use.
Hey @SupahMan5000 did you try these yet? What do you think?
SupahMan5000
Hall of Fame
finally got out with these. comfortable shoes! no break in required. cushioned but also fairly low to the ground.
theyre a bit spacious tho. I like how the GR9 seems to have a puffier ankle collar and generally snugger fit so it doesnt feel like im clomping around. I normally double sock so the space issue shoiuldnt be a problem with the Yonex. Traction is good, court feel is good, just took an adjustment since I love the GR9 so much
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
these are some of the hottest shirts i have ever seen. those guys at yonex have really out done themselvesThis looks to be the US Open Collection and shoe colorway
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
is this francis Tiafoe ?finally got out with these. comfortable shoes! no break in required. cushioned but also fairly low to the ground.
theyre a bit spacious tho. I like how the GR9 seems to have a puffier ankle collar and generally snugger fit so it doesnt feel like im clomping around. I normally double sock so the space issue shoiuldnt be a problem with the Yonex. Traction is good, court feel is good, just took an adjustment since I love the GR9 so much
Just got some of these in UK size 9.
Last 12 months I've been using the Adidas Courtjam Control also in size 9. Prior to that the new Barricades and before that Nike Vapor X.
This Eclipsion has to be the tightest of all those shoes in the forefoot/toe area.
I'm hoping they break in to be just right.
Cushioning is fantastic, sole grip is great, uppers feel nice and supportive. Sole/midsole seems a bit stiffer than the Courtjams, which seems to be better on the joint of my big toe.
Only downside is the tongue could be longer.
Last 12 months I've been using the Adidas Courtjam Control also in size 9. Prior to that the new Barricades and before that Nike Vapor X.
This Eclipsion has to be the tightest of all those shoes in the forefoot/toe area.
I'm hoping they break in to be just right.
Cushioning is fantastic, sole grip is great, uppers feel nice and supportive. Sole/midsole seems a bit stiffer than the Courtjams, which seems to be better on the joint of my big toe.
Only downside is the tongue could be longer.
