The 64 is DEFINITELY a typo. The stiffness should be 61 at the highest. Also, the width is 19/20 mm, the pattern is 16x19, not 16x18, and the grip is a thin, synthetic grip carried over from the old Ti-80.Alright!!! The racket is posted on TW, and I received confirmation that my demo will ship tomorrow! This is very exciting. I may just be leaving Prince again to back to Yonex, again.
Hopefully tw listing the stiffness as 64 is a typo just like the one where they show it being HH instead of HL. We'll see.
TW says it is 8pts HH....is that true????
It is headlight. Unstrung, it is 31.0 cm balance, to be exact, and around 298~300 swingweight according to the specs.No way it's HH. Let's hope it is 12.1 and 315 sw. 330+ is a deal breaker for me.
...mmm... I'm all excited even though I just switched to the 200.
Does anyone know if they're still doing the UL/SL business with these things? If I recall, the L4 and L5 versions of the old ti-80 were something like 12.7 strung instead of 12.1 that TW lists. And they had a higher tension range.
Don't get too excited yet. Yonex has botched most offerings in the last 20 yrs. All of you sensitive people relax. It's my opinion.
I don't agree or disagree with your opinion, but I am curious if you could expand on the examples that caused you to form this opinion.
Sure. Yonex used to be the best. Let's start there - largest sweet spots, no-nonsense 18.5 mm box beams, GREAT feel, power, control, maneuverability...simply awesome. Now, they are bulky, not as manueverable, no feel, too stiff, and crap grip shape (used to be more boxy, now bevels 3 & 6 are thin/sharp...very odd). All they care about is the next hexagonal, titanium mesh or whatever BS they pile on---they have a lot of company. The feel of the last Ti-80 was toy-like tin...a combination of no-feel-terrible-feel...no real discernable ball feel.
Hit with a 6.0 85 and you'll know where the ball is going. Yonex was like that 20 yrs. ago in a larger package = perfection! > 95 sq. in. with feel, manueverability, power and control - ancient history. The 001 was garbage, the ti-80 garbage, RD 7 was a clunky log -nothing has to be >19MM if the weight and balance are "right." I can go on and on with every model since the R-series was discontinued for "better" technology. Owned them all, sold them all.
Valid stance Steve. I guess since i've only been playing tennis for about 9 years(started when i was about 20) I didn't get to experience a lot of these older frames people rave about. Maybe that's to my benefit cause I don't know what i'm missing.
I have started a small collection of unique/classic frames. One happens to be a prostaff 85 that I picked up from my local shop when an ex pro stringer/customizer cleared out his left over rackets. There were a bunch of lendyl(sp) frames with that little piece of sandpaper on the throat, and crap ton of other frames. Those were sweet. I will have to string up the prostaff and hit it. Right now it just has the custom handle with no leather grip or butt cap.
What do you currently hit?
Hi Preston. Yes, you are lucky because tennis has become frustrating when you CAN'T buy what you like. I currently hit with 6.0 85s and custom Vantage 90s 63 RA. Still like the 6.0 more but it's too damn small for my level and age - just turned 40 and I'm a 4.0. I played at a much higher level with the older Yonex frames - they were around 97 - 98 sq. inches...perfect. Only improvement over 20 yrs. has been great cosmetics. Muted tennis with thick racquets is what it's all about now - I'm not interested.
Your opinion is valid. And here's mine:
Yonex offers great player frames. Each new racquet is a different experience. Technologies have advanced from 20 years ago. They may feel different but it's not because they're poorer quality. You may not have found a racquet with the exact specs you like, but millions of people around the world have whether it's Wilson, Babolat, Prince, etc.
You played a lot better with older Yonex frames probably has more to do with your age then than it does with the racquet. Plenty of old people are playing great with the latest racquets.
My opinion.
Your opinion is valid. And here's mine:
Yonex offers great player frames. Each new racquet is a different experience. Technologies have advanced from 20 years ago. They may feel different but it's not because they're poorer quality. You may not have found a racquet with the exact specs you like, but millions of people around the world have whether it's Wilson, Babolat, Prince, etc.
You played a lot better with older Yonex frames probably has more to do with your age then than it does with the racquet. Plenty of old people are playing great with the latest racquets.
My opinion.
I'm switching to the new ti80. This thing is stable with the least about of nasty vibrations I've ever experienced. The frame is soft but supplies crisp power and the sweet spot feels very easy to find. Control is excellent imo thanks to such a great feel at contact.
Steve- i'd be interested to here what you think of this frame. Give it a demo?
Partially true but you don't know the whole story - I'm not talking about 1986 experiences. Had an old R-10 & R-22 until I was 35 (stupidly sold them). Never really logged much time on tennis courts in my life. Was a semi-pro basketball player (in my mind) and tennis was secondary. If I could play w/the R-10s now I believe I would be a strong 4.0 rather than a weak one since everything grooved with that racquet. Perfection and simplistic. What the hell is the deal with these stupid specs these days? A minor flaw, but why is this new ti-80 19.5/19/21 or whatever - really idiotic and too bulky @ 21. Do they really think there's an advantage with these graduated beam widths? Nonsense. I guarantee this will be cheap feeling but I hope I'm wrong...
there are plenty of r-7/r-22 frames on the market in great condition available and cheap. why not stock up and return to the "glory days?"