Discussion in 'Racquets' started by stealthfighter69, Dec 22, 2017.
Upgrade to man weight and you won't have that problem anymore.
Was watching Herbert play Simon at Indian Wells and Herbert was using the new Vcore Pro 97, and it wasn’t a paint job! At the end of the match there was a close up of the racquet and with the new very distinctive throat you could clearly see he has switched to the new Vcore Pro. So the new frame must be ok
Are these frames still pretty hefty in the throat? That was what I remember with the Orange TourG 330. It was still a freaking sweet frame though.
Planning on stringing my VCORE Pro 330 with YPTP. Can anyone recommend me a tension?
what's your current racquet/string combo and tension. what sort of feel are you looking for in your stringbed? I find the YPTP to be a relatively softer poly.
48 if it’s 1.25
Current racquet combo is the DR98 strung with YPTP 1.20 at 54/52. Really just looking for comfort.
FWIW, restrung with hybrid multi/synth gut and added an overgrip for final static weight of 357g and 11.5 HL. How about that for starting under spec? ;-)
Multi Mains = Gamma TNT2 16g
Synth gut Crosses = Gosen OGSM 17g
Grip = Wilson Pro Overgrip
really wanna hear how 310g users have customised their racquets. I have some lead at 12, some lead at the handle and a leather grip. I also added some at 3 to 9 to try but it slowed down my swingspeed.
Where is the extra weight added in the 330? Where do you place weight to match the 330?
Get the 330
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Yes, the 310 is for people who want either the 310 or the 310 with 3-4 grams on the hoop to up the swingweight.
Unless of course you are desperately seeking a leather grip ...
It's not that much, people on here split atoms. I pulled the trigger on a 330 because RF97 can be a bit stiff and clunky, but have not found a stick I can switch to after using it. I'm sure there are a few RF users who are curious. Will keep you posted.
already bought 4x 310g lol
Modified my 97 310 and played a short session tonight. Added 6 grams at 12 o’clock and around 11 grams in the handle to counterbalance. With and overgrip and dampener the spec ended up at 343 grams, 313 mm balance and SW of 332.
Even though I’ve played rackets with much higher swing weights this just felt like a bit too much racket. I have a feeling that this racket will take weight better at 3/9 than a lot right at the tip. My next experiment will do exactly that, just move the weight and reduce the SW a bit. And I’ll remove the tail weight to maintain the same balance.
I would be interested to try and on spec 330 though to feel the difference.
A couple of people mentioned the vcores taking weight better at the 3/9. Try it out and let us know!
And echoing what @Fernando said... At 343g, you're 1g shy from my strung stock 330 Pro with one over grip and 17g strings (343.8g to be precise). Or 3g away from TWs strung 330 Pro specs (they used poly).
You've basically turned your 310 into a polarized 330 with the 12/handle weighting and the 6/11g placement at the ends added a little under 2pts HL. It may weigh practically the same, but swing/feel different. If you do end up trying both let us know how it goes!!
Try a 330 and resell the 310s?
I've been buying 1 racket at a time to test and reselling the ones that don't suit my game.
I assume there would be a lot of demand for the 310s bc this thread is 10+ pgs long.
Thanks for sharing!
For what it's worth, Tennis Magazine lists an RA of 64 and swingweight of 327 for the VCore 330, whereas TW has them at 65 and 330, respectively. Not sure if it means anything, but just something i noticed. Probably just normal variance.
This is my first post on this forum after a long period of just reading interesting posts, so at first I like to say hello to everyone here
Furthermore I really like to read about the experiences of persons who are playing with the VCore Pro (G-310 gr. version) since I'm playing with this frame for almost two weeks now.
Coming from a reasonably long and good time of playing with the Wilson Ultra Tour 97 (modified to my own specs) I had the chance to test this frame and my first impressions were obviously not so great. Comparing to my Ultra Tour 97 I experienced a very low balancepoint and a (to) low swingweight due to the lack of mass and weight in the hoop of the racket. The stability was also an issue for me.
Regarding to the above mentioned issues I was not really able to play my game as I did with the Ultra Tour and it took me to much energy and power to hit good and powerful groundstrokes.
Despite the fact that I was not so happy with this first impression I felt the potential of this frame and I decided to do some modifications to see if I could get the Vcore Pro to my personal preferences.
At first I added four leadstrips of 12 cm length on the 9/3 position and the impact of that was really noticeable to me, but it was unfortunately still not at the level of my personal preferences.
After this I cut out the Luxilon Alu Power Soft and strung the racket with Völkl Cyclone, sticked four lenghts of 16 cm leadtape on the frame (approx. 3 cm under the 9/3 position up to the 11/1 position), and put another more heavy base grip (Yonex leather/synthetic tour) on it.
All these modifications transformed the Vcore Pro to a really good playing frame; it still has its fast swingspeed, the whipy feel, but improved so much in stability, swingweight, and plow through.
Personally I see the Vcore Pro G-version as a platform frame with a high potential, but you have to put some time and attention to finally get it to a really good playing frame.
My already ordered second Vcore Pro is at the stringer now and he will string it with another favorite string of me (Solinco Hyper-G 1.25 mm.) and I'm really looking forward to discover how the Vcore Pro perform with this string...
Will post my coming experiences here
It would be interesting in your case the version with 330 grams. I think it would fit a lot better. I very much want to try the Wilson ultra tour 97. I would like to compare the ultra tour and the vcore with my angell tc95.
VCorePro unbox and spec video. Hitting session to follow next week.
Wonder if Tennis Magazine just measured one particular racquet? TW seems to measure a whole heap of them and lists the Average (or Median?) spec.
Welcome JeanF, nice first post!
How much does your 310 now weigh? I went with the 330 but the 310 with lead and leather is looking to be a better way to go, I like leather grips but my 330 is already at 355g and I don’t want a 367g racquet....
YIKES those are really large photographs.
Anyways, it really is a beautiful frame. The paint scheme is undersold and the TW site doesn't quite do it justice. Frame feels quite svelte in the hands and very, very thin. Balance is right along my prestiges but I can't quite get a repeatable measured reading. I'll have to wait to get to the shop for a definite SW and balance check. With a yonex grap it came to 327.2g. With a full set of poly I'm a touch surprised it's 323g stock. It's about 10g lighter than I'm used to but I don't think it'll be an issue.
Something looked off to me on the stringing so I looked at the latest pattern from YonnyUSA. Holy crapple that's a weird pattern.
Is that Big Hitter Black 7 in the Yonex... or maybe Dunlop Black Widow?
If so, have you used it before? and... if you have... How did you find it?
BHB7, good eye! I've been through about 2 reels of it. For the price point it's my favorite string and reference when testing out other things.
See below for a my full thoughts.
The Church of Polystringism-- Alidisperanza's PT Thread
Interesting... I strung it in my IG Prestige MP at my usual tension (52M/50C)... and I felt really tight and harsh... I tried serving and even though the feel was good and the serves seemed quite powerful, I had a really hard time controlling where the ball went... in fact, I could not get the ball to go into the service box... one serve almost took out the guy standing at the net (he was a little closer to the middle of the court), and with the next one I tagged my doubles partner. It was embarrassing... I immediately changed to a racquet with different strings and my serve went back to normal... solid serving, aces here and there... but definitely no problem with placement or control... it was very weird... cut the stuff out and haven't tried it again... but I read comments from people liking it all the time... Never had I have this happen to me with another string before or since... very weird...
Shrug, everyone has their preferences. I've definitely found setups I simply don't jive with. What string do you usually play? I started playing this at 52 in the prestige and bumped my way down to 48-50 depending on the climate/temp changes. For the yonex playtest I had it strung a flat 48.
Based off my experience with the string, it almost sounds more like your frames are off-spec and your serve timing changed than the string itself, assuming you're going poly to poly. I have this lovely frustration when switching to one of my frames in particular.
Landing something longer or shorter due to trampoline effect/power/spin chars of a string I can see. I even get missing typical spots by maybe a foot margin of error going from one to another. But to deviate enough to tag your partner or the guy at the net, unless you're going for something with a real small margin of error (Yes, I've tagged the guy at the net on purpose, usually his foot), I'm very surprised.
Can't explain it... same racquet (nothing changed) restrung with different poly but same gauge 17 (Kirschbaum Pro Line X), absolutely no problem. So it wasn't the racquet, as that was the racquet I was using, and no modifications made between when it was strung with BHB7 and KB Pro Line X (or any previous or subsequent string). It also wasn't the first or the last shaped poly that I have tried so it wasn't like a smooth vs shaped poly thing either. Very strange... but like you said, different strings and setups suit different people.
My Vcore Pro has a static weight of 342 gram now. Overall weight including string, leadtape, Yonex vibration damper, Yonex leather/synthetic tour base grip, and a Yonex Super Grap overgrip.
Personally I don't like to play with frames which have a higher overall static weight of approx. 340 gram, so this is fine to me because with the 310 version I can play around with some customizing
The balance point is 32,5 cm and the swingweight around 338 (strung)
Bummer, at least you have a definite answer!
This matches up pretty closely with the specs I landed on. Same 310g frame, although I went with a leather grip first. I think you're using a synthetic grip ? Not sure what a "leather/synthetic tour base grip" is however.
Ultimately, I think the way I have my setup, the head needs a little lead tape. I think my SW is a bit lower than 338 but my static weight is higher. 1.5 grams of lead at 10/2 will end up increasing weight to 347 and SW probably closer to 338/340 range.
Weird question. Does anybody know why Chung's paint Job hasnt been updated to the Vcore pro?
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I'd say we merry few in the TT forum, are a significant minority who would even care or know what racquet Chung is using.
Do we even know for sure he won't make the switch to the VCP?
It's this one: http://www.yonex.com/products/tenni...nthetic-leather-tour-grip?ProductTab=Overview
Found an old post from TW which says that they take 4-6 racquets and then post the average of their specs. https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/swing-weight-difference.272080/#post-3646487
Alright. I JUST finished my week long demo of the Pro 330. Tho I did ask to demo the ezone dr 98 + and the Dual G 330, I didnt even play with them once after hitting with the vcore pro for the first time.
The racquet came strung with yonex poly tour pro at 53. Static weight was 350g with a rubberband and a wilson over grip (grip size 4 1/2). I prefer shaped polys but this setup actually worked nicely with this frame.
My previous racquet of choice was a costumized Burn FST 95 with a leather grip and some led tape to match the three of them (some in the lower hoop, some on the throath.... wilson QC sucks skin bananas...). My usual string is Yonex poly tour spin 16L at 50lb, sometimes 48lb.
The reason I was in the market for a new frame is bc, even tho I love the heft of the racquet and the feel when i hit right in the sweet spot, the truth is that my game was suffering from how stiff (tho muted) the racquet felt, especially on my bicep. Also, The racquets were borderline too heavy for my serve.
I must say that I have never owned a Yonex racquet before, and I have only hit a couple times witha customized dual g 310 before. But I decided to give this new frame a try.
From my first hit I knew that I was probably going to switch over. It took me just a few minutes to get used to the frame and after that I basically felt completely dialed in.
The sweet spot fell much bigger than my burn fst racquets and even when hitting outside the racquet feel plush and solid, in fact i would say this is the best feeling racquet I have played with in a LONG time. The racquet tho flexible seems to be stiff enough at contact to give you a more point a shoot feel, while still comfortable.
Grountrokes were great, especially my forehand. My balss were deep and with a lot of spin ( perhaps a little less than the fst, but still very good). I was being much more consistent, even as im very aggressive player.
Backhand was also great. My onehanded bh is usually my best shot but with this frame my forehand took over, yet my bh stayed pretty good.
My serves, especially my second, saw the most improvement. The racquet is really maneuverable which allow me to put all kind of spin on my serve and my partners were noticing it.
Volleys were decent, though I did struggle to find my groove and getting used to the launching angle. I was still able to create good shots, But perhaps not a well as with my older ratquet. This is particularly important for me since I like to come to the net a lot. After a week of playing I would say I began to get better but Im still not at the same level as I was before. This is perhaps due to my being used to volleying with a board of a racquets or mayne the fact that I was not using my normal shaped stiff poly.
Same logic applyed to me drop shot and my slices. My slices to the baseline were great but I struggled keeping the ball short and low. This ia something I think I could work on over time.
In short... I already sold my burn FST racquets and Im switching over to the pro 330. A lot of people are going for the customized 310, and thats fine. I just feel like the 330 is already giving me enough performance that I dont even want to do anything about it. I usually put a leather grip on my frames, this time I dont even feel the need.
May all of you havr a blessed day and please dont choke on any skin bananas, let Wilson keep doing that instead.
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Oh btw, the raquet looks sick! The paint does seem to scratch easily tho.
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lol same here! RF97 is such a great frame, it’s just the fatigue factor at the end of matches! Currently trying different string setups with with my Yonex SV 95 before i decide to switch to it. I haven’t added any weight though since i love it’s maneuverability!
I think I know why or can at least assume why. A Korean poster made a thread post on Chungs racquets back in January and mentioned that Chung was given 6 racquets by Yonex, but only used two of them because the others did not feel the same to him... so Chung uses one racquet and at racquet change he sends the second off to get restrung (or atleast that was the story at Aus Open).
My thoughts are that because Chung is so particular about using only the two Duel G frames, it is logistically a bit harder to get those frames paint jobbed.
If all is true it sounds like Chung needs to employ the services of P1 or similar to get a set of frames matched up to his exact spec.
1yes. Similar round.ness to wilson grips
2yes. The vcores are great on the 1hbh.. close to 10pt HL. Low flex/RA, power maybe not, but you can get more by droping tension.. spin similer, control, more..
write back after you try it...
Am I being too OCD for being annoyed that my stringer didn’t follow the stringing instructions for the VCORE Pro 97? The tie off knots are completely different from the ones specified on Yonex’s website and I’ve also noticed that the some grommet holes are starting to split. Was this stringer a complete amateur? Should I cut out the strings and go to someone different? I know someone who is a retired MRT that has strung for pros in various tournaments. Overall, I’m just pissed because I feel like the job was shoddyand he also put paint on the strings and I didn’t even ask for paint.
No, I’d be annoyed as well. Especially with having split the grommets cause that not an easy or immediate fix often (grommet accessibility).
Tie off knots in different spots aren't the end of the world but the grommets shouldn't be fully split on a first string job.
May I ask what strings people are using with their VCORE Pro 97s? How do they play for you and, if you can, compare it with YPTP? Does anyone know what kind of strings would really match this frame? I'm thinking of trying out Klip Legend/Pro Line II for my next string job.
It takes a lot to split grommets on new racquets, although it's not impossible.
Tie offs aren't that big of a deal but you should use the recommended holes since they're larger and meant to accommodate two strings. More importantly, seems as though you have a crap string job and the saying "how you do anything is how you do everything" certainly reflects poorly on him . Find a new stringer. Doesn't have to be an MRT necessarily but someone who gives a crap.
Despite the fact that it's always a matter of personal taste and preference I can tell you that my VCore Pro play very well with the Völk Cyclone 1.25 mm. @23/22 kg tension weight.
I have also played with the Luxilon Alu Power Soft in this frame, but the combination couldn't convince me at all...
The Völkl Cyclone became one of my favorite strings in the period that I played with the Wilson Ultra Tour 97.
My second ordered Vcore Pro arrived today and I asked my stringer to string it this time with Solinco Hyper-G 1.25 mm. with a tension weight of 23/22 kg.
It's already matched (other base grip and leadtape) to my first Vcore Pro, but unfortunately I didn't have the chance to play with it today, so I'm looking forward to my first hitting session with it.
Just curious, is there much flare of the grip at the buttcap? Or typically Yonex straight-ish?
On my two EZXi98 I had to build up some flare for my personal preference.
The flare is still a lot less than other brands. But I find recently hatbthe Yonex buttcap is more glared than I recall on the DR98. The SV98, EZONE 100 and his VCORE 97 all feel pretty good to me. For reference I’ve mostly played with Head, Prince and Babolat lately and the Yonex feels natural in transition.
I played some modifications some more with the 97 (310). Over stock I tried 6 grams at 12 o'clock, to bring the SW up to 330. Then I needed 10 grams in the handle to obtain balance or 315 mm. Played that spec and with all the weight being at the top of the hoop it felt like too much racket, despite playing numerous rackets with the same or higher SW.
Next was to take that same 6 grams and move it from 12 o'clock to 3/9, and removing about 2.5 grams from the handle to keep the same balance. In this spec it was 340 grams static weight, 315 mm balance and SW of 321. A quick hit today in this spec and it felt ALOT better. For me it does need a bit more SW though, so I've just now added 2 grams back to 12 o'clock. I have a feeling this will be about perfect for me!
What I am thinking though is. Having added this much weight basically all around the head I actually think that the 97 (330) is probably going to be a better option as I expect it's mass will be distributed lie this throughout the hoop (as I've manually done). I might see if I can pick one up cheap as a test
Yeah, I'd check out the 330, I just think it's better to have that mass built in. Mine arrived today with VS Team 17g/KB Max Power 18 is at 343g, 31.8cm with OG. I did not like the grip and wanted to match my RFs so put the same Babolat Syntec Lite. I also put, as I do with my RFs, put two thin 18cm long strips of gaffers tape in the upper hoop.
This adds touch a SW but also absorbs a bit of vibration. It makes the RF just a hair more plush, which it needs. The grip is also bigger than the RF both 4 3/8 with the Syntec lite and overgrap. The 330 is 12cm around and RF is 11cm -- this makes it easier to work the ball.
UPS was late today so went to the park and there was a guy leaving, hit a couple minutes with him, then against a wall and did some serves in 40F weather.
My initial thought is that it really should be a 95 with the same beam and flex to have more oomf. At 97, compared to my RF it's not as solid. There was no thwack that makes the RF so intoxicating. Even though they stiffened up the upper hoop from the Duel, it's still a bit too soft for blocking back big shots and my OHB. But the 330 is amazing in it's own way, a lot more feel on medium shots and it serves more accurately. I'd say if I only played mixed doubles on clay, I'd have the perfect wand.
The 330 is pretty similar to my RF spec, mine are lighter than most because I put on a light synthetic grip. With VS Touch 16g/KB Max Power 17g and OG they are 347g, 31.6cm. I'm going to try the 17g VS and 18g KB on the RF to make it faster. But the RF could take a bit of a lesson from the 330 and be 65-66 RA and at slim down a .5--1mm. I wish they had a child, then I might have something that takes me back to my favorite stick growing up, the Head Graphite Edge. I'll have to try out the new Prestige but I found the XT a bit wanting of oomf and don't think the Touch will help.
I'll post more once I properly get to hit with it, but at this point, if my life depended on a match, I'd go with the RF.
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