Power Player
Bionic Poster
Hmm yeah i must have misread before or been comparing to other frames in its class.
But the main takeaway is that the 310 has a very solid twistweight number for its weight and i have no issues with heavy hitters.
Yonex Vcore Pro 97
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But the main takeaway is that the 310 has a very solid twistweight number for its weight and i have no issues with heavy hitters.
what is a good non-gut hybrid for RS Lyon
Yeah same here .. too heavy and I start losing whippeness...
zettavaska
Rookie
1990's Graphite
Hall of Fame
Yeah, and the numbers are close, unless it read 12 and 15, you might not even notice that small margin.
Give Cyclone/rs Lyon 1.25 @ ~48/46# a try.
Thanks, guys; much appreciated. Fun string testing ahead!
Power Player
Bionic Poster
What string do you use now? Honestly the best string to use is the one you already prefer. Trying a bunch of different setups may just be confusing and annoying. I’d strongly suggest starting with the strings and tension you use now. My favorite setup is the one I have used for over 3 years - RS Lyon 1.25 at 46#s.
Been using a gut/poly hybrid with gut in the mains and WCSS in the crosses, primarily in my Angell TC100. Fairly happy with the comfort and feel, but sometimes too much power with the gut and the somewhat higher trajectory of the TC100. The VCP 97 helps address my desire for a more control-oriented and comfortable all-court racquet, and if I can put in strings not too much of a stretch from the characteristics of the gut/WCSS but that also compliment this racquet in terms of control and feel, I'm a happy camper; and I'm not wedded to using gut (pricey these days). Agree, don't want to go down the rabbit hole of "start from scratch" string testing.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
I think gut/poly will be awesome in this frame. Id start there because you will probably love it. Especially since you are familiar with it already.
HolyMountain
Rookie
I suppose if they actually change the racquet I'll just buy 20 of these at discount .
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HolyMountain
Rookie
I have settled on a Lexicon trio....4g, ALU Power and Big Banger Original.....have them strung up at 55/52. Oddly the 4G seems a little to powerful, has excellent feel on volleys. I love the Big Banger but my shoulder started hurting - may have been because I was rusty but I cut them out and haven't done them again - but I did love them, let me just unleash on the ball with zero worry of launching. ALU Power I suppose is somewhat in the middle. Debating on revisiting the Big Banger or stringing 4G at say 58/55 or just sticking with the ALU Power. I own a nice stringer so restringing is a non issue. Actually maybe it is an issue as I am constantly tinkering
ProRadTour
Semi-Pro
This really depends on your playing preferences and style.
Me personally, I prefer the 330. I still play with heavy topspin on my forehand, but when I want to flatten it out the additional mass and twist-weight makes driving the ball easier and smoother. Also, I play with a one-handed backhand and the additional mass is very helpful with my backhand slice and effectively blocking back big serves. Also, driving the one handed backhand with the 330 produces a heavier ball on that wing for me.
Have owned both the 310 and 330, nothing wrong with the 310 and I could play with it, I just prefer the additional mass of the 330. But I am also accustomed to playing with heavier frames. The 330 for me is perfect in stock form. I can just pick it up and play and feel comfortable and never feel the frame let me down in any way.
I would say pick the frame that is closest to your normal playing preferences.
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HolyMountain
Rookie
330g here. I played with a Fed and a Babolat Aero Tour - this is like a lighter more friendly Fed to me.
Good call. Will keep the WCSS around but may try out some RSL as well. From what you guys have experienced, sounds like a nice string, full bed or in a hybrid. Any thoughts on tension? Dropping from a 100 to 97 with 8 mains, might go a little lower than my usual 55/52?
HolyMountain
Rookie
For Wilson Champions Choice? I always like mine a bit higher but someone on this thread had me try them lower and the feel was something else. I hit too flat so had to go back up I’m tension.
HolyMountain
Rookie
I’ve been pondering switching them to Lux mains/gut cross but that just seems naughty
mad dog1
G.O.A.T.
Poly is so much cheaper than gut so if you string your own sticks, I would say it won’t cost much to try it out first. If you don’t like it, cut it out and restring it with gut/poly.
I’m at 47-50# on the mains and 45-48# on the crosses with full poly stringbeds.
I love RSL for a cross. I prefer a softer poly for the mains.
I thought rs Lyon was soft... what soft polys would you recommend? YPTP is soft?
ProRadTour
Semi-Pro
Power Player
Bionic Poster
For all that care (probably no one but anyways haha)..
I am testing RS full bed, and YPTP full bed next and i'll go by you all's tension recommendations... if arm complains then i will revert to Velocity or HDX Tour.. will share experiences as this test evolves for anyone who cares..
@Power Player - I remember you mentioned around 51lbs to stringer and dropes to 46s...
@ProRadTour - What tension do you string for YPTP? (just making sure that it is the strung tension and not settled tension after stringing job)
I am testing RS full bed, and YPTP full bed next and i'll go by you all's tension recommendations... if arm complains then i will revert to Velocity or HDX Tour.. will share experiences as this test evolves for anyone who cares..
@Power Player - I remember you mentioned around 51lbs to stringer and dropes to 46s...
@ProRadTour - What tension do you string for YPTP? (just making sure that it is the strung tension and not settled tension after stringing job)
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Awesome, I am real interested in how you like the YPTP, as I am running out of RS yet again.
You are correct on the tension. I string at 51#s because after an hour or so it’s playing at 44-46#s and thats right where I like it with this racquet. It’s fine even at 51#s, so low 50s is a nice starting point for me.
One thing that is confusing is when you read about players tensions. A pro stringer giving a player a frame at 50#s - in my guess that is the tension they play at since the stringers are usually awesome and the strings usually last around 3 hours.
For us, we are using strings for 10-12 hours so its a little different. So I feel like it is a safer bet to string 7 or so pounds higher than the tension you want for the majority of the play time.
The first 310 I bought was strung up by a stringer with max power at 46#s and it dropped to 39 over time. I love 39 in the phantom 93, but its way too much for me in the 310. I am either hitting on the baseline or long, so now I do 52/50.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Yes. For the record, I use a constant pull, auto drop weight machine with fixed clamps - stringway.
Best thing you can do is measure your string tension off the stringer and then after 90 minutes or so of play, and then after each session until breakage or string death. That way you will be able to predict the best tension to shoot for when you get your frames strung up.
Best thing you can do is measure your string tension off the stringer and then after 90 minutes or so of play, and then after each session until breakage or string death. That way you will be able to predict the best tension to shoot for when you get your frames strung up.
ProRadTour
Semi-Pro
@AA7 When I was playing with YPTP I was using the graphite version (1.25) and was stringing it at 42/40. I was restringing every 6-8 hours of play, buy I loved the feel of the string-bed at that tension. I was using that setup in winter. I have been experimenting with various sting setups lately, and have been using RPM Blast Rough 1.25 main and Isospeed Baseline 1.20 crosses at 52/50 and Technifibre Red Code Wax 1.25 at 47/45.
RPM Blast Rough setup is a more lively setup, have been preferring Red Code Wax just becuase it gives me a more predictable response. Performance wise, Red Code Wax has been good, however it doesn't feel as nice as the Rough Setup.
Need to restring a frame with YPTP again, its been awhile. Still have a half a reel somewhere.
If you are going to use the yellow version of YPTP I would suggest 52/50 would be a good starting point. If found the graphite version is more of a deader feeling string, not as lively or soft as the yellow version.
RPM Blast Rough setup is a more lively setup, have been preferring Red Code Wax just becuase it gives me a more predictable response. Performance wise, Red Code Wax has been good, however it doesn't feel as nice as the Rough Setup.
Need to restring a frame with YPTP again, its been awhile. Still have a half a reel somewhere.
If you are going to use the yellow version of YPTP I would suggest 52/50 would be a good starting point. If found the graphite version is more of a deader feeling string, not as lively or soft as the yellow version.
zettavaska
Rookie
Interesting. I have exactly the same experience. YPTP at 52/50
HolyMountain
Rookie
Sort of an aside...I think that folks forget that IF you don't break strings and take care of your racquets, a gut/poly string job holds tension waaaaaaay longer than anything with the exception of full gut (maybe kevlar, I have never used them). So yes, it does cost $45 but will last 2 months. I find I restring polys (when playing a match 4-5 days a week, plus some hitting sessions) every 2 weeks. So, for me, with the Lexicon it is actually MORE expensive than a hybrid. Just another thought.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
I tore through gut poly every 2 weeks at best. It was very expensive for me as i usually go through softer strings in 6 hours. . The humidity doesnt help either down here. I ended up using a ton of string savers to make the gut last longer and it just was a hassle.
HolyMountain
Rookie
Def don’t use gut! I think I broke a string once as a kid and was so stoked!
mad dog1
G.O.A.T.
If you hit with heavy spin or play with partners who hit with heavy spin, the poly which is a lot harder material than gut saws right through the gut in very little time. Playing on clay further accelerates the wear on gut. I play on hard courts but gut poly doesn’t last long for me at all.
If you’re a flat ball hitter, all strings last a lot longer.
So you’re saying this almost has tweener power and spin? And you’re comparing it to a pa+ too... That’s pretty incredible, if so. That tweener easy power and spin are things I miss when playing with my 95s. I’m more excited to demo it now...
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Well it doesnt have the pop of the stiffer pa but i didnt feel underpowered with it or a big drop off when i switched back and forth.
Yeah kind of suprised me too, but if you have tried the anemic box beam frames like the white pro staff 95 from a few years ago, you will really like the extra power from the yonex. The yonex has a really awesome balance of power spin and control. You will be able to push your opponent back without exhausting yourself.
zettavaska
Rookie
Be careful with your elbow
I am going to beef up the SW noticeably, plus I use full natural gut. Won't have any arm problems
AndyBarronMuzza
Rookie
How does this compare to a 2015 18x20 Blade? My Blade setup is as follows:
Poly Tour Pro: 52lbs
TW Leather Grip
5g @ 3/9
Poly Tour Pro: 52lbs
TW Leather Grip
5g @ 3/9
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Power Player
Bionic Poster
By red what do you mean- old xi version? Old version is a little more closed. New vcore is very similar to the 97 just a touch more open.
rlau
Hall of Fame
He probably means the current red Yonex Vcore 98 305: https://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Yonex_VCORE_98_305/descpageRCYONEX-VCP98G.html
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Ok, cool I have that one in black. It’s just a little more open, but the string pattern looks very similar.
Yes, that's the one I'm referring to.
So starting my experiment....first hit today with xperience at 54/52. Oh wow.. so much fun. I can't wait to try the other strings as well. This was light years better than multifeel in this frame... I now understand how awesome this frame is. Tons of power and feel and control and maneuverable.. you just have to have full and complete swings. I never enjoyed hitting with any frame this much before. More hitting tomorrow with x-perience and then I'll test out rs Lyon next...
Power Player
Bionic Poster
mad dog1
G.O.A.T.
So are you liking a full bed of rsl more than a full bed of Max power?
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Yes but i have not used the max power at the right tension yet. Strung it up so ill compare next week. The rs just is a perfect match for the yy because it has that crisp response.
mad dog1
G.O.A.T.
The feel of Max power is fine but I just don’t get enough pocketing cuz the ball comes off the string bed too quickly. I believe I need to drop tension another 2-4 pounds with max power.
isukatennis
Rookie
I have RS Lyon, Yellow Jacket, and Hyper G on the way to try in this frame...Im giddy as a school girl
First hit with RS Lyon 52/50 strung... @Power Player crisp is damn right. Predictable string response.. no wild launches.....low power (which is what I was hoping for) control is great. So far comfortable. Good spin. Solid combo. Only played 1 hour. Tomorrow 2 more hours on it in a competitive setting... will write more about it.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
I like these frames so much that im getting a 330 version as well. I like warming up with heavier frames and it was super easy to switch from my phantom 93 to my 310 last night. I can see myself using both racquets.