Yonex VCORE SV

Sambuccashake

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"...the aero shape of the racquet frame shoulder provides extra torque, improving repulsion by 2%. "

Would it be safe to say that the paint job adds another 2% repulsion?
 
XFactorer

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Ah! So many questions now! What about the feel or the feel at contact did the girls not like? Is it the crispness? Is there harshness? Why did the guys love it so much more?
 
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nadalito92

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XFactorer said:
Ah! So many questions now! What about the feel or the feel at contact did the girls not like? Is it the crispness? Is there harshness? Why did the guys love it so much more?
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Exactly my gripe. "The feel is not there" but relative to what? One girl plays with a RF97 and another with a Pure Aero. Perhaps @TW Staff could chime in.
 
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nadalito92 said:
Exactly my gripe. "The feel is not there" but relative to what? One girl plays with a RF97 and another with a Pure Aero. Perhaps @TW Staff could chime in.
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Chris mentioned this is similar to the Si which scares me - I did NOT enjoy that racquet at all. But I did like the RDSs, an they were the first Yonex racquets that I've used that went to the crisper feel.

But then Andy says he might switch to this from the DR... and the DR was on my list since I use the Ai right now. Oh, choices. Do I want a PS17, DR98, SV98?
 
Power Player

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I can help here as I play the XI version of this frame and I doubt anything has changed besides yy adding a little extra SW and the grommet tech they used to increase spin.

It's an amazing frame, but as Andy says, it needs weight at 12. I have three weighted up to 355 and it's my frame of choice. The feel is stiffer and crisp. Another thing about this frame is the first time it's strung up the feel is not as good. For whatever reason the grommets don't settle as fast as other frames. The feel at the weight I play at reminds me a lot of a wilson 6.1. It's honestly one of the best frames I have used. I have owned mine for 2 years and recently bought two more since they are so cheap now. My only complaint is that it is a stiff frame, so you have to be careful there, and as a result it is pretty string sensitive. I can't just throw Cyclone in it. The string that is a perfect match for me in it is RSLyon. I should add that the SW is close to 360 with all the added lead, so the frame has enormous power to it.

I'm going with the 95 since I already have 3 98s and would rather try a softer, more classic frame with a little more control as I can always reach into the bag and pull out the 98. I intend to lead up the SV95 to the same specs(maybe a little lighter since the 95D swung a little heavy for it's weight) when I can finally get one.

Just from going off the vid review, I am happy to see that the 98 has essentially stayed the same, but is probably a bit of an improvement from the SI which was probably too stiff.

The 98 is honestly one of the most lethal frames out there if you are a baseliner with a 2 handed backhand. For all the players missing the wilson 6.1, you add lead to this frame and you will have the modern version.
 
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nadalito92

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XFactorer said:
Chris mentioned this is similar to the Si which scares me - I did NOT enjoy that racquet at all. But I did like the RDSs, an they were the first Yonex racquets that I've used that went to the crisper feel.

But then Andy says he might switch to this from the DR... and the DR was on my list since I use the Ai right now. Oh, choices. Do I want a PS17, DR98, SV98?
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I'm on the same boat. I come from a Pro Staff 97 though, so I think the SV98 would be the closest out of the three, but the DR intrigues me as well. The fact that Andy could switch to the SV98 definitely helps with the choice though.
 
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mxblink said:
Video for the lazy:


Say what you want about Yonex's marketing of new tech, but look at those average spin increases!
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I noticed everyone's spin numbers went up! I'm lazy... someone compare this to the spin numbers of the PS17 review? Please?
 
Power Player

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Well just looking at Andy's numbers, his stats smoked his numbers with the DR98. Pretty dramatic change in spin and pace. The numbers are almost too good to be true, honestly.
 
Automatix

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Bizarre average spin discrepancy for Chris...
Av. rotation FH:
SV98 1964RPM vs PD+ 1393 RPM
Strike 1362 RPM vs PD+ 914 RPM

Av. rotation BH:
SV98 1601 RPM vs PD+ 1119 RPM
Strike 839 RPM vs PD+ 552 RPM

In the Strike review the compared av. spin for hist racquet of choice was lower by around 500RPM.
Those who love conspiracy theories might think that the av. spin in the Strike review was lowered so the racquet (Strike) looked to perform better in the spin department...
 
Karma Tennis

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Automatix said:
Bizarre average spin discrepancy for Chris...
Av. rotation FH:
SV98 1964RPM vs PD+ 1393 RPM
Strike 1362 RPM vs PD+ 914 RPM

Av. rotation BH:
SV98 1601 RPM vs PD+ 1119 RPM
Strike 839 RPM vs PD+ 552 RPM

In the Strike review the compared av. spin for hist racquet of choice was lower by around 500RPM.
Those who love conspiracy theories might think that the av. spin in the Strike review was lowered so the racquet (Strike) looked to perform better in the spin department...
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I watched both reviews closely and think the apparent differences can be easily explained.

The SV98 and PD+ comparisons are with the same string - Solinco.

The Strike and PD+ comparisons are with the same string - Something Else? Luxilon?

So the SV98 and Strike numbers cannot be directly compared in absolute terms because they are using different string. And that is before you take into account the different racquet specs and different string patterns. Actually, if you look at the numbers from a relative perspective, they are all around what I would expect.

What I would like to see is a direct comparison between the SV98 and the PS17 leaded up to the same static weight, with same Balance, and using same string.

Someone will probably do this at some stage.
 
Power Player

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Regardless of string, the yonex 98 has a more open pattern in the mains. It generates a lot of spin, probably more than the PS17 due to the more open mains. It's a very underrated frame.
 
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parasailing

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Power Player said:
Well just looking at Andy's numbers, his stats smoked his numbers with the DR98. Pretty dramatic change in spin and pace. The numbers are almost too good to be true, honestly.
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That is kinda amazing that the spin Andy got on it is so high compared to the DR 98. Like OP mention, if it is kinda stiff like the Vcore SI, I am going to pass on this. This might work for you though
 
Power Player

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Im going with the 95 since I already have 3 98s all leaded up and set for my specs. I'd like to see how I do with the 95 as softer frames with cranked up Swingweights are a little easier to control the depth. A stiff frame with a high SW is an absolute cannon - think Pure drive with a lot tighter accuracy. I have hit my biggest shots with the leaded up Xi98s.
 
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parasailing

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Pure Drive is already a cannon that I can't control so definitely intrigue by the 95 SV as long as it's not as stiff as the 95D which was felt good but was way too stiff of a racquet. This fall is definitely a tennis racquet holic delight with all these frames coming out all around the same time, Yonex SV, Pure Strike, Graphene Touch, and new Blades.
 
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bkr

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Interesting that Michelle talked about the feel at the contact as she is usually someone that prefers stiff frames likes Pure drive and Rf97.

Yonex frames are great quality and lot of people enjoy them but for my game they never worked out well.I did DEMO SI98 which was good but there was nothing for me to switch and I also had xi98 for sometime again the same case even after customization.

I'm not a big fan of Babolats either but PS17 felt great during the DEMO.

I would imagine SV95 would better with it actual head size may be closer to 98 due to Yonex shape.
 
JGads

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parasailing said:
Pure Drive is already a cannon that I can't control so definitely intrigue by the 95 SV as long as it's not as stiff as the 95D which was felt good but was way too stiff of a racquet. This fall is definitely a tennis racquet holic delight with all these frames coming out all around the same time, Yonex SV, Pure Strike, Graphene Touch, and new Blades.
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Agree. It's all about the feel. If the 95 really does feel like a 61 then I'm very intrigued. If it's as firm as the 95D, I have better frames (for me) already in the bag. Not liking that the feel seemed to turn most people off on the 98 in the review.
 
Power Player

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Yeah I think the 98 is a lot stiffer than the 95. I believe Chris already stated that the 95 has a classic players feel to it so we should be good there.

The 98 doesn't feel like a classic frame, but I quite enjoy it. I would say I have the same feeling about the feel as Andy did.
 
XFactorer

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Automatix said:
Bizarre average spin discrepancy for Chris...
Av. rotation FH:
SV98 1964RPM vs PD+ 1393 RPM
Strike 1362 RPM vs PD+ 914 RPM

Av. rotation BH:
SV98 1601 RPM vs PD+ 1119 RPM
Strike 839 RPM vs PD+ 552 RPM

In the Strike review the compared av. spin for hist racquet of choice was lower by around 500RPM.
Those who love conspiracy theories might think that the av. spin in the Strike review was lowered so the racquet (Strike) looked to perform better in the spin department...
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Do you think they re-calibrated since or maybe re-assessed the PD+ numbers again right before hitting with the SVs? I'm not sure how the play sight numbers are generated, but it would make sense to have a 'baseline' session and then have a hit with the demo racquet to see/measure the changes.
 
JGads

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Power Player said:
Yeah I think the 98 is a lot stiffer than the 95. I believe Chris already stated that the 95 has a classic players feel to it so we should be good there.

The 98 doesn't feel like a classic frame, but I quite enjoy it. I would say I have the same feeling about the feel as Andy did.
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Really does sound like your Xi is very similar to this SV. Yours may even have a better feel, especially since it's flexed by use.

XFactorer said:
Do you think they re-calibrated since or maybe re-assessed the PD+ numbers again right before hitting with the SVs? I'm not sure how the play sight numbers are generated, but it would make sense to have a 'baseline' session and then have a hit with the demo racquet to see/measure the changes.
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I don't really pay attention to those numbers in the reviews because I have no idea how any of that is done. String could be different. Player might be hitting better/worse/just different on that particular day that they're testing, etc.
 
Power Player

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JGads said:
Really does sound like your Xi is very similar to this SV. Yours may even have a better feel, especially since it's flexed by use.
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Yeah and the lead really makes a difference. My theory on the 98s is they are the standard issue to their lower ranked pros. I was told that by one who is a coach and was a dominant open player. He is the one who got me into the 98. I believe the earlier versions were super low in SW and weight for easy customization. They are still pretty light weight in stock form. I will say that hitting a big forehand or serve is as satisfying in feel as any other classic frame, it's just a much more direct ball feel and not as plush. Yet going from the Tec or Angell to the YY was never a downgrade in feel to me, it was just a different one.

These are also pretty string sensitive frames. I didn't like Hyper G at all in mine, or Cyclone. But RSLyon is fantastic. Whereas with softer, more classic frames, I can almost put anything in there and it doesn't matter.
 
Murray_fan1

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Power Player said:
Yeah and the lead really makes a difference. My theory on the 98s is they are the standard issue to their lower ranked pros. I was told that by one who is a coach and was a dominant open player. He is the one who got me into the 98. I believe the earlier versions were super low in SW and weight for easy customization. They are still pretty light weight in stock form. I will say that hitting a big forehand or serve is as satisfying in feel as any other classic frame, it's just a much more direct ball feel and not as plush. Yet going from the Tec or Angell to the YY was never a downgrade in feel to me, it was just a different one.

These are also pretty string sensitive frames. I didn't like Hyper G at all in mine, or Cyclone. But RSLyon is fantastic. Whereas with softer, more classic frames, I can almost put anything in there and it doesn't matter.
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I think lead on this stick is key. The SV98 for me in stock form was lacking the punch and stability required to be effective for my game. I think you would really like the SV95 given your racquet history. It still will require some weight to compete with the Angell or your weighted Xi but I think you will be presently surprised by how good the 95 is.
 
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Murray_fan1 said:
I think lead on this stick is key. The SV98 for me in stock form was lacking the punch and stability required to be effective for my game. I think you would really like the SV95 given your racquet history. It still will require some weight to compete with the Angell or your weighted Xi but I think you will be presently surprised by how good the 95 is.
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Thats exactly what i like to hear as i do plan to lead up the 95. You are one of the few holics to have used it. Does it have that classic feel people are wondering about? Imo the orange tour g had a fantastic feel to it. Something like that would be great.
 
JGads

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Murray_fan1 said:
I think lead on this stick is key. The SV98 for me in stock form was lacking the punch and stability required to be effective for my game. I think you would really like the SV95 given your racquet history. It still will require some weight to compete with the Angell or your weighted Xi but I think you will be presently surprised by how good the 95 is.
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Just reread your review a couple pages back. Love that you mention a flex/dwell in the head of the 95. That's what I always long for. Is your demo of the Strike imminent? Because you're doing God's work here. The world needs a direct comparison of these two new beauties. And we will stand outside the papal conclave, eagerly awaiting to see whether the chimney smoke appears white or red.
 
Power Player

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Oops that is right. Murray fan wrote a nice detailed review on page 3. Sounds like we have a fantastic frame from yonex.
 
BigM

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This frame has a very solid crisp feel yet kinda feels disconnected to the ball at the same time. I didn't enjoy it as much as I thought I would.
 
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BigM said:
This frame has a very solid crisp feel yet kinda feels disconnected to the ball at the same time. I didn't enjoy it as much as I thought I would.
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Sounds like theSV98 is still quite like the Si98 which I found too quick off the string bed - it felt like it had very little dwell time. Despite this it provided good control. In this regard the Si was different from the Xi 98 which offered a better feeling of being connected and as Power Player has said this is enhanced with lead. Srill I am going to demo the SV98 at some point.
 
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phil7777777

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Short review of v core sv 95 playing time 6 hours of tournament matches and practice

I don't post on here but do regularly read with interest. As there is huge interest in this racket I thought I would help out and share my experiences. I will try to be comprehensive but please ask if there is anything I have not commented on. My current racket is a stock yonex v core tour g 330 with 1.3 gosen Og sheep micro mains/PTP 1.25 crosses and I have tried most rackets over the past few years my main racket before the yonex being a ps95 weighted up to 325 SW and 353 static with a 31.3cm balance.

SV 95 specs as tested:

Weight - 337 strung with base yonex grip, 347 as played with 2 Wilson pro overgrips
SW - 324 (tested on swingweight app)
Balance - 31.3cm
String - Dunlop revolution nt hybrid set 1.31/1.25 (I would guess at around 48-53)

Feel:
I am not a poly guy, normally just looking at a set of poly strings hurts my elbow but I didn't have one twinge or tight feeling during or after hitting with the sv 95 (poly mains in the v core tour g hurt my arm as a reference point for how sensitive it is!).
The feel is good, not plush but also not crisp just somewhere in a happy medium of both. It will definitely give no arm problems.

Control
Available in abundance. I am not sure if it was the frame feel or 95 head size but I felt very connected to the ball with this racket, way more so than the v core tour g in fact the side by side comparison was very surprising for me as I really enjoy the control and feel of the vcore tour g. I would go as far to say that the sv 95 is approaching the control level of the PS95.
@SpinToWin - I read your play test when trying to replace the ps95 with interest as it seems we had similar feelings about the racket. I would definitely recommend you demo this stick (there are also some available in Germany to demo)

Manoeuvrability
Like a whip. This thing is seriously quick through the air. I would have said it was as manoeuvrable as an unweighted PS95 (sw300, static 330, balance 7pts) yet obviously has more to it than a racket at those specs. I never felt that the tour g was as clubby as many people have commented until I played with it after using the SV95.

Stability
Solid enough. It does have a slight feel of being a little flimsy but I think that is more me being critical and also being used to the tour g which is a total rock of a frame. If people are looking to test and are worried about the stability I would say it won't be a problem and even if it is a problem the frame feels like it would take being weighted up pretty well as it is so manoeuvrable that you have a lot of scope to play with before the racket becomes sluggish.

Plow through/power
This is the only area where I feel things weren't conclusive. The spin from this racket is insane, really noticeable even over another yonex frame (though granted this wasn't a like for like string comparison). The one slight downside was I wasn't feeling the ball go through the court as much with that spin. It wasn't really sitting up to be hit but as the same time wasn't as penetrating as I would expect the shot to be. Side by side with the tour g I didn't feel I could hit as big a step up shot or push the players back in the court. That being said the control aspect overcame this and I won more with this racket by being able to pin point my shots with the control. I know this will be an area of concern for people so just to clarify it isn't PS95 unmodified lacking in power I just felt it was a little down on what I would expect from the SW and static weight. I also think with strings/lead you could tweak to the desired level pretty easily.

Result of the demo - I bought the frame, instantly!
 
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phanker

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How's the SV95/98 string pattern compared to the Tour G / Duel G / Tour F? Mains and crosses spacing at the sweetspot mainly.
Very surprised to be reading about the added spin and control which usually do not go together.
 
Power Player

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BigM said:
This frame has a very solid crisp feel yet kinda feels disconnected to the ball at the same time. I didn't enjoy it as much as I thought I would.
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Did you use a dampener? I found that no dampener is the way to go with the 98.There is also the chance that the Xi version was the last great version. Glad I stocked up.
 
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phil7777777 said:
Short review of v core sv 95 playing time 6 hours of tournament matches and practice

I don't post on here but do regularly read with interest. As there is huge interest in this racket I thought I would help out and share my experiences. I will try to be comprehensive but please ask if there is anything I have not commented on. My current racket is a stock yonex v core tour g 330 with 1.3 gosen Og sheep micro mains/PTP 1.25 crosses and I have tried most rackets over the past few years my main racket before the yonex being a ps95 weighted up to 325 SW and 353 static with a 31.3cm balance.

SV 95 specs as tested:

Weight - 337 strung with base yonex grip, 347 as played with 2 Wilson pro overgrips
SW - 324 (tested on swingweight app)
Balance - 31.3cm
String - Dunlop revolution nt hybrid set 1.31/1.25 (I would guess at around 48-53)

Feel:
I am not a poly guy, normally just looking at a set of poly strings hurts my elbow but I didn't have one twinge or tight feeling during or after hitting with the sv 95 (poly mains in the v core tour g hurt my arm as a reference point for how sensitive it is!).
The feel is good, not plush but also not crisp just somewhere in a happy medium of both. It will definitely give no arm problems.

Control
Available in abundance. I am not sure if it was the frame feel or 95 head size but I felt very connected to the ball with this racket, way more so than the v core tour g in fact the side by side comparison was very surprising for me as I really enjoy the control and feel of the vcore tour g. I would go as far to say that the sv 95 is approaching the control level of the PS95.
@SpinToWin - I read your play test when trying to replace the ps95 with interest as it seems we had similar feelings about the racket. I would definitely recommend you demo this stick (there are also some available in Germany to demo)

Manoeuvrability
Like a whip. This thing is seriously quick through the air. I would have said it was as manoeuvrable as an unweighted PS95 (sw300, static 330, balance 7pts) yet obviously has more to it than a racket at those specs. I never felt that the tour g was as clubby as many people have commented until I played with it after using the SV95.

Stability
Solid enough. It does have a slight feel of being a little flimsy but I think that is more me being critical and also being used to the tour g which is a total rock of a frame. If people are looking to test and are worried about the stability I would say it won't be a problem and even if it is a problem the frame feels like it would take being weighted up pretty well as it is so manoeuvrable that you have a lot of scope to play with before the racket becomes sluggish.

Plow through/power
This is the only area where I feel things weren't conclusive. The spin from this racket is insane, really noticeable even over another yonex frame (though granted this wasn't a like for like string comparison). The one slight downside was I wasn't feeling the ball go through the court as much with that spin. It wasn't really sitting up to be hit but as the same time wasn't as penetrating as I would expect the shot to be. Side by side with the tour g I didn't feel I could hit as big a step up shot or push the players back in the court. That being said the control aspect overcame this and I won more with this racket by being able to pin point my shots with the control. I know this will be an area of concern for people so just to clarify it isn't PS95 unmodified lacking in power I just felt it was a little down on what I would expect from the SW and static weight. I also think with strings/lead you could tweak to the desired level pretty easily.

Result of the demo - I bought the frame, instantly!
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Wow, awesome review. Sounds like the only issue with it is that it needs lead, and I plan to lead mine up anyway.

The control is exactly what I'm looking for. A great modern control frame with a pumped up swingweight is really the ultimate combo for me.

The TourG is a heavier frame with a higher SW. Sounds like you just need to weight up the 95 to match and it will probably hit a bigger ball than the tourG.

Can you compare the feel of the TourG to the SV95? The Tour G is one of the best feeling frames yonex released recently, imo. It had that pro staff feel of being between plush and crisp. Is the SV95 kind of like that? It sounds like the feel will be great.
 
Automatix

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XFactorer said:
Do you think they re-calibrated since or maybe re-assessed the PD+ numbers again right before hitting with the SVs? I'm not sure how the play sight numbers are generated, but it would make sense to have a 'baseline' session and then have a hit with the demo racquet to see/measure the changes.
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I honestly don't know. The fact is that for other playtesters the numbers were either identical or differed only slightly also in some cases you don't get to see all the numbers (only max spin or only av. for example). A drop in RPMs by 500 for a racquet of choice which isn't a new switch is strange.

Karma Tennis said:
I watched both reviews closely and think the apparent differences can be easily explained.

The SV98 and PD+ comparisons are with the same string - Solinco.

The Strike and PD+ comparisons are with the same string - Something Else? Luxilon?
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But big differences are only for Chris, the other playtesters data is similar or identical.


Karma Tennis said:
So the SV98 and Strike numbers cannot be directly compared in absolute terms because they are using different string. And that is before you take into account the different racquet specs and different string patterns. Actually, if you look at the numbers from a relative perspective, they are all around what I would expect.

What I would like to see is a direct comparison between the SV98 and the PS17 leaded up to the same static weight, with same Balance, and using same string.
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I get what you're going for but a review has to rate a racquet as is, not after mods. Imagine selling any product with an asterisk saying that it is great if you change this & that. Going by your logic you should test a tennis shoe with identical insoles.

I am not saying you don't have a point when it comes to directly comparing certain aspects of a racquet but from a seller/buyer point of view your approach would make reviews unhelpful for most consumers.
 
Murray_fan1

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Power Player said:
Thats exactly what i like to hear as i do plan to lead up the 95. You are one of the few holics to have used it. Does it have that classic feel people are wondering about? Imo the orange tour g had a fantastic feel to it. Something like that would be great.
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I would have to hit them side by side to give you a direct comparison. From what I remember of the Tour G is lower powered with less inherent punch and spin. Both racquets have good feel imo but in a different way. The SV95 reminds me more of the 95D then a Tour G.
 
Murray_fan1

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JGads said:
Just reread your review a couple pages back. Love that you mention a flex/dwell in the head of the 95. That's what I always long for. Is your demo of the Strike imminent? Because you're doing God's work here. The world needs a direct comparison of these two new beauties. And we will stand outside the papal conclave, eagerly awaiting to see whether the chimney smoke appears white or red.
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Still waiting on that demo unfortunately as they are back ordered. I will be sure to post a comparison once it arrives.
 
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phil7777777

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Power Player said:
Can you compare the feel of the TourG to the SV95? The Tour G is one of the best feeling frames yonex released recently, imo. It had that pro staff feel of being between plush and crisp. Is the SV95 kind of like that? It sounds like the feel will be great.
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Of course - in my opinion the SV95 is more pro staff like than the tour g (comparing to the 2014 PS95). As I played it, I would say the SV is crisper than the tour g so from the baseline the feel is better but the tour g edges it on feathered slices or drop shots and touch volleys at the net due to the softness. That being said the SV is no slouch and I did have a poly vs a multi in the tour g. On a generic level I don't think the above will greatly change with the string set up but will probably come a little closer to the tour g on the touch shots.
 
Power Player

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SV sounds fantastic. Appreciate the details on it. This is the type of frame that I can get down with for sure.

I spent time with my xi98 playing for a while. I got the SW measured again, and it's at 363 right now. I will probably drop into the 350s with the SV95, but as you can imagine the 98 hits a monster ball. I believe some people have issue with the feel because it is so direct. You can feel every detail on contact and that probably bothers some players. The thing is that it has never given me bad vibrations or felt too soul-less, like other modern frames. It is also very very loud with the RSLyon.

But when it comes to classic feel, it is not that type of frame. The SV95 sounds like it will deliver in that department and also hit a mean ball as well with some lead.
 
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