You can blame Social Media for “Next Gen” failing

Federer , Nadal and Djokovic do what they do for one reason....because social media didnt exist when they were storming up the rankings and playing the game they loved, they just incorporated it when it was created and now use it sparingly.

Next Gen however i feel go to a tennis court to train ( being filmed of course so it can be put on to social media to show the world they are training ) play a shot.....go over to the net, check their smart phone to see how many more likes and followers they have got , back to the baseline, play another shot ....”oh can you get my phone and film me hitting this power forehand because i look so good doing it “
They prefer likes and follows to slams and titles. Rather sad really and because of this I fear we won’t ever see players like the big 3 again.......ever!
If anyone disgarees with the social media argument, just look at Kyrgios..... prime example of a talented player that would rather get attention on social media than use his abilities to win slams
 

Lleytonstation

G.O.A.T.
Agree social media has caused a lot of issues, but while it may play a role in the new culture of young generations, it is just part of it.

Another is simply not knowing what it takes, and relying on technology not technique or tactics.

They simply don't have the games to push out the big 3.
 

Dominic & Andrey

Professional
Failing? They are the elite of the elite of their sport, it's not failing at all. These guys dedicated their lives to tennis since they are kids, and they are still people daring to say they don't work hard enough lol.

You can criticize Kyrgios's work ethics, alright, but to compare him with serious and disciplined Next Gen players (let's say Tsitsipas, Zverev, the most famous and hated ones here) is completely unfair and insulting to them.
 
Failing? They are the elite of the elite of their sport, it's not failing at all. These guys dedicated their lives to tennis since they are kids, and they are still people daring to say they don't work hard enough lol.

You can criticize Kyrgios's work ethics, alright, but to compare him with serious and disciplined Next Gen players (let's say Tsitsipas, Zverev, the most famous and hated ones here) is completely unfair and insulting to them.
ok, I understand that point....but cmon, these guys are what, 10-12 years younger and losing to Federer , Nadal and Djokovic. So why is this ? You’re not telling me that these guys are just infinitely better than guys who as you state are “elites” of the sport
 
I bet you could find articles during Fed's slump, post-Sampras upset, that blamed his difficulties on "internet culture". Someone in the lower half of the top 100 today has better travel amenities than Borg had while #1. As the sport grows, there is more money to be earned. (which is why the "top prize money stat" is worthless, but anyway)

It is a joke that they can't consistently beat these old men, though.
 

GhostOfNKDM

Hall of Fame
Blaming everything gen Z on social media is as stupid as some gen Z making everything about being 'woke' against boomer ignorance.

Pick and choose guys. Discretion is the better part of valor.
 

JoelDali

G.O.A.T.
iPhones are killing off the need for human greatness.

Kids don’t want to train hard, read, study or strive for anything.

They want to be Tik Tok stars.

They want to show their naked body in the Guys Only Appreciation threat.

My friend is a rich respected attorney DA and has 2 kids in high school. They both want to be Instagram Influencers. They have no interest in history, sports, art, nothing. They make lame videos and pose half naked around the beach.

I agree with the premise of your threat with my own evidentiary load.

Steve Jobs’ death was very symbolic.

Humanity is worse off for the love of fomenting for fame through Tik Tok.

Kids don’t want to be Borg. Kids don’t want to be Martina. Kids don’t want to fight for epic greatness.

They want to be Kylee Jenner.

They want to be naked in the Guys Only threat.

Cheers to Osaka for saying Fuch You to the world.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Federer , Nadal and Djokovic do what they do for one reason....because social media didnt exist when they were storming up the rankings and playing the game they loved, they just incorporated it when it was created and now use it sparingly.

Next Gen however i feel go to a tennis court to train ( being filmed of course so it can be put on to social media to show the world they are training ) play a shot.....go over to the net, check their smart phone to see how many more likes and followers they have got , back to the baseline, play another shot ....”oh can you get my phone and film me hitting this power forehand because i look so good doing it “
They prefer likes and follows to slams and titles. Rather sad really and because of this I fear we won’t ever see players like the big 3 again.......ever!
If anyone disgarees with the social media argument, just look at Kyrgios..... prime example of a talented player that would rather get attention on social media than use his abilities to win slams
Spot on. They lack heart. The fact Nadal and Djokovic in Rome outlasted the Next Gen in long matches is shockingly embarrassing for young men at their physical prime.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
iPhones are killing off the need for human greatness.

Kids don’t want to train hard, read, study or strive for anything.

They want to be Tik Tok stars.

They want to show their naked body in the Guys Only Appreciation threat.

My friend is a rich respected attorney DA and has 2 kids in high school. They both want to be Instagram Influencers. They have no interest in history, sports, art, nothing. They make lame videos and pose half naked around the beach.

I agree with the premise of your threat with my own evidentiary load.

Steve Jobs’ death was very symbolic.

Humanity is worse off for the love of fomenting for fame through Tik Tok.

Kids don’t want to be Borg. Kids don’t want to be Martina. Kids don’t want to fight for epic greatness.

They want to be Kylee Jenner.

They want to be naked in the Guys Only threat.

Cheers to Osaka for saying Fuch You to the world.
Great post
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
I bet you could find articles during Fed's slump, post-Sampras upset, that blamed his difficulties on "internet culture". Someone in the lower half of the top 100 today has better travel amenities than Borg had while #1. As the sport grows, there is more money to be earned. (which is why the "top prize money stat" is worthless, but anyway)

It is a joke that they can't consistently beat these old men, though.
It's not a joke, they can't.
 

fundrazer

Legend
iPhones are killing off the need for human greatness.

Kids don’t want to train hard, read, study or strive for anything.

They want to be Tik Tok stars.

They want to show their naked body in the Guys Only Appreciation threat.

My friend is a rich respected attorney DA and has 2 kids in high school. They both want to be Instagram Influencers. They have no interest in history, sports, art, nothing. They make lame videos and pose half naked around the beach.

I agree with the premise of your threat with my own evidentiary load.

Steve Jobs’ death was very symbolic.

Humanity is worse off for the love of fomenting for fame through Tik Tok.

Kids don’t want to be Borg. Kids don’t want to be Martina. Kids don’t want to fight for epic greatness.

They want to be Kylee Jenner.

They want to be naked in the Guys Only threat.

Cheers to Osaka for saying Fuch You to the world.
Maybe your friend is a lousy parent?
 

Tony48

Legend
I dunno. There may be some correlation, but I think it's too early to make any determinations. Also, I rarely use Twitter and Instgram (just Facebook) so I can't really speak to how frequently they're on those platforms.
 

jondice

Rookie
I think they're just not nearly as good. To add to that, we have to also examine how far fitness and training has evolved. Rafa and Nole are in amazing shape at an age where most players - even an Agassi - have historically been retired or on their last legs.

So the much more talented Rafa and Nole + unusual health for players mid-30s - Next Gen just not being as good = the state of men's tennis.

Social media can be blamed for countless of society's ills. But not NextGen's crappy tennis results.
 

JoelDali

G.O.A.T.
Maybe your friend is a lousy parent?
The high school track team in my town run around the city training in their school uniforms, all of them carrying an iPhone Plus in their hand. They aren’t focused on athletic glory. They are focused on Insta Whoring themselves. If they were all serious about training they would not be holding fuchen iPhones in their hands.
 

socallefty

Hall of Fame
Once they complained that books spoiled the younger generation, then radio, TV, cable TV, internet, social media, smart phones etc. You can read the Greek philosophers and they were complaining about the younger generation even in those days. The reason for the complaints keeps changing, but what is constant is that old has-been will always complain about young people and think that they have the same faults that their own parents complained about when they themselves were young.

The young guys hit/serve harder and have better footwork than every generation before them. The problem is that there are two older GOAT-contender guys who have airtight technique that are more consistent than them and therefore, it is tough to win three sets against them in Slams. They are already doing well beating them in Bof3 format and if they fix their technique errors over time, Slam success will come too.

When there were no technology changes related to equipment, surfaces etc., the all-time greats tend to have success till their late thirties because contrary to what tennis fans might believe, tennis is not a sport that depends on only fast-twitch muscles that only the young possess like sprinting for instance. This is what happened with the ATGs of the fifties/sixties who played well till their late thirties. Then, we had three generations being forced out early by teen phenoms when the change was happening from 3 Slams on grass to more hard courts, wood to metal to graphite racquets, gut to poly strings, slowing down of surfaces etc. till the early 2000s. There has been no noteworthy change in tennis for the past twenty years and so, it has helped the Big 3 to hang onto success for a long time especially helped by all the medical advances that help older athletes in all sports in general.

Young people are doing well in many walks of life including on the WTA and to conflate lack of success winning Slams on the ATP Tour with a generational weakness probably foretells the early onset of dementia for those posters than any scathing or realistic sociological criticism. I am in my early fifties and have brought up two college-age kids who are way more balanced and sure of themselves and their self-identity, social/community responsibilities than me or my siblings, cousins, friends etc. were at their age. Maybe because I exposed them to reading, museums, classical music concerts, playing sports, volunteering in non-profits, eating/cooking different cuisines, travel etc. at a young age and they didn’t spend all their time just on social media. I would say that my generation and the Boomer one before it lacked as parents because we were too self-absorbed/selfish compared to previous generations and tried too often to be friends to our kids rather than positive role models and now we blame our kids for all the ills that befall our societies. Thankfully, young people seem less materialistic and more caring of solving societal problems than at least a couple of previous generations. Old people in the US want socialized benefits only for themselves (Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, tax breaks etc.) and want society to take away all social protections for young people.
 

clout

Hall of Fame
Failing? They are the elite of the elite of their sport, it's not failing at all. These guys dedicated their lives to tennis since they are kids, and they are still people daring to say they don't work hard enough lol.

You can criticize Kyrgios's work ethics, alright, but to compare him with serious and disciplined Next Gen players (let's say Tsitsipas, Zverev, the most famous and hated ones here) is completely unfair and insulting to them.
If they want to be an elite they have to beat the exiting elites at the biggest stages and they haven't done so
 

Pandora Mikado

Semi-Pro
Federer , Nadal and Djokovic do what they do for one reason....because social media didnt exist when they were storming up the rankings and playing the game they loved, they just incorporated it when it was created and now use it sparingly.

Next Gen however i feel go to a tennis court to train ( being filmed of course so it can be put on to social media to show the world they are training ) play a shot.....go over to the net, check their smart phone to see how many more likes and followers they have got , back to the baseline, play another shot ....”oh can you get my phone and film me hitting this power forehand because i look so good doing it “
They prefer likes and follows to slams and titles. Rather sad really and because of this I fear we won’t ever see players like the big 3 again.......ever!
If anyone disgarees with the social media argument, just look at Kyrgios..... prime example of a talented player that would rather get attention on social media than use his abilities to win slams
Social Media isn’t exclusive to tennis players you know? The problems we see in tennis is more likely because we just have less talent aspiring towards tennis as a career, for sure at least on the men’s side.

:sneaky:
 

Gerco

Rookie
Toni Nadal already said this, the new gen pays too much attention to social media and makes them loss their focus.
 

Sephiroth

Hall of Fame
Why doesn't the WTA have problems with social media? WTA has young winners all over the place

it's strange. There's more to it than just social media
 

6august

Hall of Fame
Less professional success but definitely more money and fame.

And I think Next Gen they're happy with that.
 

NedStark

Rookie
Football is a team sport, they can literally stand still the entire game and their team can still win
But they are not standstill you fool. All 3 players are key players in their teams. In fact, all are generational talents that tennis never has these days.

The best RB in the football world right now is a 22-year-old dude, not one of the best, but the best.

Finally, please have a look at France squad at World Cup 2018, and check their ages.
 

Arak

Hall of Fame
Multitasking is a myth. The brain doesn't work that way.
You’re obviously not married. My wife watches a soap opera while ironing the clothes and chatting with her friends on WhatsApp and posting stuff on her instagram.
 

NedStark

Rookie
Tennis is not everything, guys. And it's not representative of the society, certainly far less than popular sports like football.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
Why doesn't the WTA have problems with social media? WTA has young winners all over the place

it's strange. There's more to it than just social media
Yep that’s the absurdity of these threads. The WTA has had multiple slam champs aged just 18 like Andreescu and Swiatek. This is a men’s tennis issue that nobody can overtake the big 3. It’s not a generational issue. It’s not a tennis issue. It’s an issue with just men’s tennis.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
She's just rapidly switching attention, not multi-tasking.

You’re obviously not married. My wife watches a soap opera while ironing the clothes and chatting with her friends on WhatsApp and posting stuff on her instagram.
 

ChrisRF

Hall of Fame
Honestly, to some degree I doubt that it made such a big impact, and essentially for one reason: Even during the upcoming of the Big 3 people of that age were already seen as the "Internet generation" or "mobile phone generation".

Maybe now there are more platforms to get to, but essentially the difference isn’t that big. It’s a character thing. Potential distractions were already there 15-20 years ago. For example chatting was already huge back then.
 

Bender

G.O.A.T.
It was not proven wrong. It could not be proven scientifically. There is a big difference.
No, science already says that multitasking (regardless of whether you're male or female) results in a loss in productivity and/or efficiency and an increase chance of error.

I do recall there being some evidence saying that women are possibly less worse than men at multitasking (although as usual there's also evidence suggesting otherwise), but that's quite different to what we typically mean when we say women are better than men at multitasking, and especially in this context.
 

Arak

Hall of Fame
No, science already says that multitasking (regardless of whether you're male or female) results in a loss in productivity and/or efficiency and an increase chance of error.

I do recall there being some evidence saying that women are possibly less worse than men at multitasking (although as usual there's also evidence suggesting otherwise), but that's quite different to what we typically mean when we say women are better than men at multitasking, and especially in this context.
It’s a known fact that multitasking results in less productivity and more errors. But if you must do multitasking, you better be a female as men really suck at it.
 
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