You guys are all corrupt - Shapovalov

You get more perks the more famous or rich you are. That is life. If Shap wins GS titles. he will get more perks. Maybe unfair but that is life.

I am sure being an elite athlete, Shap gets some perks in cutting certain lines or getting preferential treatment that Joe Blow, who he is jumping over, doesn’t get. Does he complain then?

The only one who really looks bad in all this is the umpire. So his response is doing nothing and then when the other person complains, he actually uses that as an excuse as to why the point has not started? That is some level of BS. Peeing on someone and then blaming them for it. At least be honest and say that Rafa is getting the Senior Buffet preferential rate.
 
Are umpires starting the clock a bit later than they are supposed to which could partially explain why Denis is complaining about 45 seconds when 7 or 8 seconds are left? Nadal does make his opponent wait for him in a variety of situations thoughout a match.
 
Nadal_Django said:
Carlos Bernardes is an amazing proof of how the bullying tactic will always derive the best results and the most wished outcomes. ;)
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Nadal walks to net to shut down young gun

After Canadian makes wild umpire claim
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Rafael Nadal had to use all his experience as a statesman of the tour to calm a situation that was ready to explode as Canadian young gun Denis Shapovalov and chair umpire Carlos Bernardes got in a heated disagreement over the Spanish star's pace of play at the end of the first set of their quarter-final.

Nadal closed out the first set 6-3 and Shapovalov was left peeved at the time the veteran Spaniard was taking in between points ahead of the second set.

Shapovalov approached umpire Bernardes prior to the first game of the set and urged him to call Nadal for a time violation.

"Started the clock so long ago and he's still not ready to play. You've gotta call him," the Canadian told the Brazilian official.
Minutes later, after Shapovalov won his first service game of the second set, the Canadian gestured to the umpire with eight seconds left on Nadal's shot clock, only this time Bernardes was not having any of it.

Shapovalov: He's not ready to play!

Bernardes: You're not ready either.

Shapovalov: What do you mean I'm not ready to play?

Bernardes: Because you're coming to talk to me.

Shapovalov: You guys are all corrupt...

Bernardes: You have eight seconds to play, what do you want? Why are you looking at me like you have to watch, you have the shot clock for this.

After the heated exchange with the chair umpire, Shapovalov and Nadal met at the net to discuss what was annoying the young Canadian so much.


"Rafa walked up with authority as if to say, 'Now son, come here' and put his hand out gently as to say, 'We don't have issues. You just get back there and play and we'll get it all done'," Todd Woodbridge said on commentary for Nine.

"It was like a senior defusing moment. A lot of other players would've gone a lot hotter a lot quicker than Rafa did."

Shapovalov was criticised for his move by US tennis great Jim Courier, who said the 22-year-old was "out of order".


"The shot clock was at seven and he had his hands up in the air like Nadal was doing something wrong," he said on Nine's coverage.

"Here we go, a conversation between the two players, we don't see that too often do we?

"Shapovalov has no business putting his hands up in the air when there's still time on the clock.

"If the clock's zero, then he should say, 'Bernardes, call it'. The frustration from the first set is bubbling over a little bit."
 
clayqueen said:
I don't think it's a game. It's just their routine and tennis is an individual sport. Not everyone can just throw the ball up and strike aces like Isner.
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I totally respect individual routines. But not if it disrupts the opponent. When a server bounces the ball 4-5 times on some points and then on important points bounces it 10-15 times (Djokovic) it can be quite disruptive bc the returner usually crouches down into a ready position once the server starts bouncing the ball. This can be mentally annoying AND physically tiring for the opponent to have to wait like that. There should be a rule that a server can wait as long as he wants within the limits of the serve clock to come to the line (so he gather his concentration) but once he’s there he should follow a similar routine. Back in the days of the epic Fed vs Nadal and Djokovic matchups even as a TV spectator, I couldn’t stand those long waits that Nadal and Djokovic put Fed through when they were serving.
 
I find it astonishing to see a lot of Nadal fans taking a leash out on Tsitsipas, who has only been following a draft from Nadal's antics book. At least Tsitsipas isn't covering himself with fake humility.
 
TheMysteryofPenguin said:
Just cause you don't see it does not mean it doesn't happen, fed has cheated quite alot but I don't expect a supporter to be honest about that.
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Saying Nadal and Federer cheat and/or gamesmanship is like saying Djokovic and Federer smash racket.

The difference is night and day
 
TMF said:
Saying Nadal and Federer cheat and/or gamesmanship is like saying Djokovic and Federer smash racket.

The difference is night and day
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Federer is a much better racquet smasher than Novak when operating at peak rage and efficiency
I’ve never seen Novak destroy a racquet like that with just one mere hit.
 
Hank Aaron used to tell home plate umpires quietly under his breath(instead of making a show) that the last strike call was a bit off the plate. He says that it helped on the next ball. Shapo should learn that.
 
Arak said:
I think the time should be shortened to 10 seconds or less, no towelling and no bouncing.
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The issue with rules is that they apply to the entire sport. So what do you do at tournaments where the players have to go pick up their own balls? There are a lot of tournaments outside of the TV world.
 
Of course we all know this is NOT the first time the Canadian's gotten out of line:
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what a hothead...
 
wangs78 said:
That's probably bc Djokovic plays the same timing game.
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normal point: bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce
break point: bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce

on a more serious note: this is going on since approx. 15 years. I really don't get why they aren't more rigid on it given that all but novaks and rafas fans seem to hate it (my non-tennis dads complaint about the rafa-dennis match was that he just watched a dude pick his bum for approx 45 minutes for example).
 
I used to get irritated every time McEnroe would to go into one of his rants with the umps. Then I realized that pro tennis is akin to pro 'wrasslin.' Everyone gets paid by the same overarching entities including the umpires. Pro tennis is simply a parochial ad lib form of entertainment like stand up comedy. Now I look at MTOs, racquet smashing, umpire arguments, pickin the a../nose/ears, 20 some ball bounces pre serve, waving off the servers serve to allow receiver to dictate server pace, etc., as the peculiarities of what is allowed within pro tennis' narrow entertainment confines.

A fan gets to guess or even loosely place a bet trying to figure when one of the other players cracks not just under tennis pressure, but the allowed ad lib/planned secondary buffoonery. I would suggest that all pro tennis players develop a series of gamesmanship gambits that are employed just as is the drop shot or out wide kick serve. Its just entertainment after all. Let the naive amateur weekender tennis players worry about fairness, honesty, etc. Really, who wants to watch Borg like tennis when you can see Kyrgios tennis?
 
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graycrait said:
I used to get irritated every time McEnroe would to go into one of his rants with the umps. Then I realized that pro tennis is akin to pro 'wrasslin.' Everyone gets paid by the same overarching entities including the umpires. Pro tennis is simply a parochial ad lib form of entertainment like stand up comedy. Now I look at MTOs, racquet smashing, umpire arguments, pickin the a../nose/ears, 20 some ball bounces pre serve, waving off the servers serve to allow receiver to dictate server pace, etc., as the peculiarities of what is allowed within pro tennis' narrow entertainment confines.

A fan gets to guess or even loosely place a bet trying to figure when one of the other players cracks not just under tennis pressure, but the allowed ad lib/planned secondary buffoonery. I would suggest that all pro tennis players develop a series of gamesmanship gambits that are employed just as is the drop shot or out wide kick serve. Its just entertainment after all. Let the naive amateur weekender tennis players worry about fairness, honesty, etc. Really, who wants to watch Borg like tennis when can see Kyrgios tennis?
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Very interesting viewpoint!
 
travlerajm said:
He needs to learn how to ask nicely.
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asking nicely never gets you anywhere in these situations.
getting under a players skin who has shown gamesmanship in countless situations is the way to go imo. and it really wouldn't be that hard to mess with OCD Nadal, Söderling for one didn't even really try.
 
graycrait said:
A fan gets to guess or even loosely place a bet trying to figure when one of the other players cracks not just under tennis pressure, but the allowed ad lib/planned secondary buffoonery. I would suggest that all pro tennis players develop a series of gamesmanship gambits that are employed just as is the drop shot or out wide kick serve. Its just entertainment after all. Let the naive amateur weekender tennis players worry about fairness, honesty, etc. Really, who wants to watch Borg like tennis when can see Kyrgios tennis?
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Well, in that case, I am a legit Murphy fan. None of his on court behaviour bother me all that much although I feel this doesn't help him much in most cases either but still, you don't stop loving them for something so trivial!
 
Frenchy-Player said:
Nadal OCD getting worse
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Let's suppose he cannot play without it. If so, he will refuse to address it. If he does not address it - it can only go worse because our mind goes autopilot whenever it can - repeating whatever it knows to do. It is a very simple causation chain. It is exactly the only way it can be.
 
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Totally agree with Shapo here. All players on court should be treated equally. To hell with people that have been brainwashed to the extent that they believe that someone can play under more lenient rules just because they’ve won more grand slams
 
junior74 said:
I think Shapovalov is spot on - as long as the shot clock is there, it should dictate.

And, seriously, Bernardes is like a clown when he says "you're not ready, you come to talk to me". That's acting moronic, and close to deliberate sabotage as I see it. If it was humour, I think it's misplaced. Players want to focus on the job, not dealing with stupidities from umpires.
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The shot clock showed there were 8 seconds left. Should it dictate? Why was Shapo complaining then?
 
merwy said:
Totally agree with Shapo here. All players on court should be treated equally. To hell with people that have been brainwashed to the extent that they believe that someone can play under more lenient rules just because they’ve won more grand slams
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How were players not being treated equally?
 
Crisstti said:
The shot clock showed there were 8 seconds left. Should it dictate? Why was Shapo complaining then?
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That's not the incident I was talking about. I am talking about when Shapo is about to start a new game, and Rafa is not in returning position when the clock reaches 0. Shapo pointed it out, and Bernardes made the joke saying it was Shapo who wasn't ready, because he was talking to him (Bernardes). The other incident was a misunderstanding and Shapovalov made it clear what it was about in the presser :) (the incident when him and Rafa met up at the net)
 
clayqueen said:
'You guys are all corrupt!' - Denis Shapovalov in furious rant at Rafael Nadal and umpire at Australian Open
"You started the clock like 45 seconds ago and he is not ready to play," Denis Shapovalov began in his angry rant at the umpire over Rafael Nadal's apparent time-wasting. "You started the clock like so long ago and he is still not ready to play. You've gotta code him. Code him! He's not ready to play! Are you kidding me? You guys are all corrupt! You guys are all corrupt!"

Denis Shapovalov let rip with a furious rant at both Rafael Nadal and the umpire Carlos Bernardes during their fiery quarter-final at the Australian Open.
Absolutely livid at what he felt was the 2009 champion at Melbourne Park's constant time-wasting, the Canadian flew into an angry exchange with the umpire where he accused the official of being "corrupt".

With a 1-0 lead in the second set, having lost the opener 6-3, Shapovalov yelled at the umpire for not handing Nadal a code violation for taking too much time between points.

The exchange with the No. 14 seed and the umpire, as Nadal watched on from the other side of the court having not been ready to begin the game, unravelled as follows:
Shapovalov: "You started the clock like 45 seconds ago and he is not ready to play. You started the clock like so long ago and he is still not ready to play. You've gotta code him."
Umpire: "Yeah. I code him now, now you are not ready to play?"

Shapovalov: "Code him!"
Umpire: "For what?"
Shapovalov: "He's not ready to play!"
Umpire: "Yeah but you are not ready to play, because you came to talk to me."
Shapovalov: "Are you kidding me?"
Umpire: "I'm not kidding you."
Shapovalov: "You guys are all corrupt! You guys are all corrupt!"

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'You guys are all corrupt!' - Shapovalov in furious rant at Nadal and umpire

Denis Shapovalov let rip with a furious rant at both Rafael Nadal and the umpire during their fiery quarter-final at the Australian Open.
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Well said, Denis.
Its true.
 
Arak said:
I totally agree. He has a lot to learn. However, I think he was just telling the truth. Bernardes is corrupt, no doubt about it. There was a time when Bernardes was young inexperienced and idealistic too. But he got hit so bad that he learned his lessons and became wiser.
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Seems he fell in line and into the 'fold'. Tragic thing. Killing our sport.
 
At first I thought that Shapo was off his rocker to call the ump corrupt, but after reading the exact exchange with Bernardes, I can't really blame him. Bernardes' reply that he's not ready to play either because he came to the chair to talk to him is completely unprofessional. Denis should have asked for the supervisor and request an umpire change right at that moment.
 
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