You guys are all corrupt - Shapovalov

The umpire showed favouritism to Shapovalov for not giving him code violations for verbal abuse towards an official and for not being at the baseline when Rafa was ready to serve. That was unfair to Rafa.
 
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Dolgopolov85 said:
Shapo hurt his own cause by getting caught up in what Rafa was doing instead of focusing on his own game. But he is absolutely right that tennis has been corrupted beyond redemption now. I remember when Graf, yes Graf, got docked a point for slow serving. Sampras too. You get comments these days about both players being bad losers but at least they played by the rules and gave a fair shot to a zoning opponent to beat them. The Big Three and mainly Nadalovic have used brilliant PR machines to cover up how much they have corrupted the sport with favouritism. Fed less so but he's not blameless. He took MTOs in AO 2017 to beat Wawrinka and Nadal and has done likewise on a few other occasions. No amount of Edberg awards can cover up that.
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Care to list the times Nadal has taken MTOs when he is behind in a match?
 
clayqueen said:
The umpire showed favouritism to Shapovalov for verbal abuse towards an official and for not being at the baseline when Rafa was ready to serve. That was unfair to Rafa.
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Well, I would have probably broken Bernandes' skull for that impertinent reply he gave to Shapovalov, accusing Shapo of holding up play just because he came up to him to complain about Rafa not getting time violation penalty. Bernandes couldn't have made his fear of penalizing Rafa any more obvious, clearly still remembers the silent ban. That's right, only umpires get silent bans these days, not the players. Let them dope, let them take MTOs, bathroom breaks, too long to serve, whatever, everything goes. Might as well rename tennis to football (soccer) while we're at it.
 
clayqueen said:
Care to list the times Nadal has taken MTOs when he is behind in a match?
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Behind is a needless qualifier you invent. If someone isn't REALLY incapacitated by the injury, he shouldn't be given an MTO. And it's not about the players but the officials bending and crawling to accommodate them. That's what has ruined the sport. You like most others don't care because the only thing that matters to you is the slam race with Federer and Djokovic, not what the hell happens to tennis when they are done. Do you think I am going to wait up for play to start if Citybus takes a 20 minute long bathroom break? Got better things to do, honey.
 
Dolgopolov85 said:
Well, I would have probably broken Bernandes' skull for that impertinent reply he gave to Shapovalov, accusing Shapo of holding up play just because he came up to him to complain about Rafa not getting time violation penalty. Bernandes couldn't have made his fear of penalizing Rafa any more obvious, clearly still remembers the silent ban. That's right, only umpires get silent bans these days, not the players. Let them dope, let them take MTOs, bathroom breaks, too long to serve, whatever, everything goes. Might as well rename tennis to football (soccer) while we're at it.
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Take your blinkers off and stick to the facts
 
clayqueen said:
Take your blinkers off and stick to the facts
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What blinkers, what Bernandes said was absolutely a flagrant example of favouritism. Duh, of course a player has to stop play to complain if the other guy is taking too long and not getting coded. The ladies are getting warnings left, right and centre without all the towel and ball bouncing shenanigans so why should Nadal get special favour? Everyone is equal on the tennis court. If they aren't, might as well rename it WWE.
 
HairyFoot said:
clayqueen and octobrina really needa get off Nadal's nuts. At what point does their obsession with a tennis player become genuinely unhealthy? IMO we are well past that point
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At the point when the hatred, based on false information, of Nadal by people like you cease.
 
Dolgopolov85 said:
What blinkers, what Bernandes said was absolutely a flagrant example of favouritism. Duh, of course a player has to stop play to complain if the other guy is taking too long and not getting coded. The ladies are getting warnings left, right and centre without all the towel and ball bouncing shenanigans so why should Nadal get special favour? Everyone is equal on the tennis court. If they aren't, might as well rename it WWE.
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There was 8 seconds left on the shot clock.
 
Dolgopolov85 said:
Shapo hurt his own cause by getting caught up in what Rafa was doing instead of focusing on his own game. But he is absolutely right that tennis has been corrupted beyond redemption now. I remember when Graf, yes Graf, got docked a serve for slow serving. Sampras too. You get comments these days about both players being bad losers but at least they played by the rules and gave a fair shot to a zoning opponent to beat them. The Big Three and mainly Nadalovic have used brilliant PR machines to cover up how much they have corrupted the sport with favouritism. Fed less so but he's not blameless. He took MTOs in AO 2017 to beat Wawrinka and Nadal and has done likewise on a few other occasions. No amount of Edberg awards can cover up that.
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Good post.
Inconsistent umpiring creates these situations, and makes players focus on other things than tennis, unfortunately.

When Carlos said "you are not ready to serve, you are talking to me" it all becomes way too clear. A total joke! Embarrassing.
 
junior74 said:
I know, Cilic was in the right. But Cilic has never served after 12 seconds in his entire career, and Federer knows that really well. So he knew there was plenty of time to go to the towel, which was on the same side of the court as he was returning. In other matches, Nadal towels of between every point with his back to the server and doesn't pay attention to his rhythm, and it seems to be alright for the umpires.

My point is when the consistency is this low from the umpires, we will get doubt and "situations", while the players really want to play tennis.
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It's funny because there is a floor just as there is a ceiling on the time limit, and 10 to 12 seconds is flirting with that.

Fed's argument was that Cilic was bouncing the ball a million times, so Cilic wasn't technically ready. This is a bit interesting. The server controls the tempo, but can he really force you to stand there from 0:10 to 0:25 after the clock starts (preventing the other player from getting their towel)? Yes.

I think that's a bit silly, but my opinion doesn't matter. Perhaps Roger makes a good point.

One thing I've noticed is that Marin seems to make a serving decision based on where the receiver is standing. Maybe he actually needs that 15 seconds to make that decision.
 
junior74 said:
Good post.
Inconsistent umpiring creates these situations, and makes players focus on other things than tennis, unfortunately.

When Carlos said "you are not ready to serve, you are talking to me" it all becomes way too clear. A total joke! Embarrassing.
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Another false information: It was Rafa's serve not Shapos.
 
Aabye5 said:
It's funny because there is a floor just as there is a ceiling on the time limit, and 10 to 12 seconds is flirting with that.

Fed's argument was that Cilic was bouncing the ball a million times, so Cilic wasn't technically ready. This is a bit interesting. The server controls the tempo, but can he really force you to stand there from 0:10 to 0:25 after the clock starts (preventing the other player from getting their towel)? Yes.

I think that's a bit silly, but my opinion doesn't matter. Perhaps Roger makes a good point.

One thing I've noticed is that Marin seems to make a serving decision based on where the receiver is standing. Maybe he actually needs that 15 seconds to make that decision.
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Hehe, he tends to check if the opponent is still there a couple of times upon firing :D

Unclear rules -> unclear umpiring -> uncertainty among players -> more "situations" -> weaker tennis.
 
junior74 said:
Hehe, he tends to check if the opponent is still there a couple of times upon firing :D

Unclear rules -> unclear umpiring -> uncertainty among players -> more "situations" -> weaker tennis.
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Here's a quote you might enjoy, from Marin's compatriot, Goran Ivanisevic :

'It doesn't affect me. I can play 5 points in 25 seconds.'
~When asked about the rule changing the time between points from 25 to 20 seconds.
 
Dolgopolov85 said:
What blinkers, what Bernandes said was absolutely a flagrant example of favouritism. Duh, of course a player has to stop play to complain if the other guy is taking too long and not getting coded. The ladies are getting warnings left, right and centre without all the towel and ball bouncing shenanigans so why should Nadal get special favour? Everyone is equal on the tennis court. If they aren't, might as well rename it WWE.
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Everything you've said shows that you live in a parallel universe because they are not facts.
 
I’m a Shapo fan, but I’d rather he addressed it in a less aggressive manor. Ideally at changeover. Mid game distractions are not very sportsmanlike.
I’m not a Rafa fan, but it was classy move the way he diffused things. Aggressive behaviour is never nice to watch.
On a positive note, it was a great match!
 
guanzishou said:
Xisca kissed Jelena and she liked it,

she liked it.

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Topsin and shefence experts?
 
Shapo need to grow up, seriously Rafa serve was really bad in fifth set and he still didn't break one time
 
Aabye5 said:
Not quite the same thing. More like you were riding your bike on the sidewalk in a place where that's legal.

You still have the responsibility to be very careful, but the risk of injury was always there.
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Nope. Willful negligence. What Shapo did was not legal - it would have been a code violation regardless.
 
zagor said:
That makes him the most popular player, not the establishment darling. If he was, he wouldn't be getting the draws he did (almost constantly paired with Novak in 2008-2012 which was the peak big 3 period), have surfaces slowed down to his detriment and he would be enjoying the preferential treatment with umpires which he doesn't (and Nadal very much does).
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I'm sorry, zagor. Could you say that again? I was distracted by your tin foil hat.

:notworthy:
 
Dolgopolov85 said:
Behind is a needless qualifier you invent. If someone isn't REALLY incapacitated by the injury, he shouldn't be given an MTO. And it's not about the players but the officials bending and crawling to accommodate them. That's what has ruined the sport. You like most others don't care because the only thing that matters to you is the slam race with Federer and Djokovic, not what the hell happens to tennis when they are done. Do you think I am going to wait up for play to start if Citybus takes a 20 minute long bathroom break? Got better things to do, honey.
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They abide by the ATP rules not yours. How do you know when someone is not incapacitated? Do they have to break abone or something? Players get treated for groin injury, back pain, neck pain, shoulder pain, elbow pain, etc etc etc. No one can prove those injuries on court unless they do an X-ray or an MRI scan in hospital. So what exactly are you saying?
 
clayqueen said:
When players get rattled whilst playing Rafa they resort to complaining about his timing. Djokovic doesn't do it but even Federer does.
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I always rattle my opponents too. Whenever I’m winning they complain that I throw rocks at them during the point.
Seriously, either Rafa is breaking the rules or he’s not. And he is clearly breaking the rules.
 
mahesh69a said:
Anyone with a couple of grey cells knows that Nadal and Djokovic (before Becker) are horrible at this - but they bring in big bucks, so the umpires/officials are instructed to let it go. Nothing new, but it is interesting to see a top player call out the idiocy. Why have a rule when there is no intention to enforce it properly for everyone?
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Agreed, but his handling of it after losing the match was not good. In fact, he looked like a cry baby
 
Beacon Hill said:
Nope. Willful negligence. What Shapo did was not legal - it would have been a code violation regardless.
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I mean if he had barely tapped him it would have been an automatic default, right?

My point about the car, is that a car should never be on the walkway.

With the bike, or with players playing tennis, there is always a risk for someone to get hurt. However, negligence (your point) is the difference between what the Kyrgios smash and the Shapo case (and the Djoko case).
 
clayqueen said:
Andy Murray retirement: Tennis stars pay tribute to '˜role model' Scot

Kyle Edmund led the tributes to his 'biggest role model' after Andy Murray announced his intention to retire.
By The Newsroom
Friday, 11th January 2019, 9:39 am
Updated Friday, 11th January 2019, 9:43 am

At a tearful press conference ahead of the Australian Open, the Scot laid bare the effects of the pain in his right hip that has dogged him for more than 18 months.
Murray is hoping to able to go out on home soil at Wimbledon in the summer but conceded Monday’s match against Roberto Bautista Agut in the first round in Melbourne could be his last.

www.scotsman.com

Andy Murray retirement: Tennis stars pay tribute to '˜role model' Scot

Kyle Edmund led the tributes to his 'biggest role model' after Andy Murray announced his intention to retire.
www.scotsman.com www.scotsman.com

Seems I know more about your favourite player than you do.
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Well, no you don't. Read Murray's statement more carefully. He thought the 2019 AO could be his last because of his unresolved hip problem (this was prior to the second surgery). Nowhere did he formally announce that he had retired (the AO simply jumped the gun showing that video of his AO history in front of a tired and emotional Murray). Shortly afterwards he underwent the second hip surgery and all talk of retirement was off the table, at least for now.
 
Arak said:
www.wsj.com

The Umpire on Rafael Nadal’s Banned List

There’s a lesson here for every tennis umpire: don’t upset Rafael Nadal. Especially if his shorts are on backwards.
www.wsj.com www.wsj.com
www.espn.com

Nadal requests umpire not work his matches

PARIS -- Rafael Nadal has asked the ATP that chair umpire Carlos Bernardes not be assigned to his matches for the time being because of a dispute between the two at a tournament in February.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
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Why can't players just adapt and wrap around a towel on court and change, if they're not allowed to go off court, or is there a rule against that? The serbian wta player jelena jankovic did exactly that at roland garros years ago.
 
Mainad said:
Well, no you don't. Read Murray's statement more carefully. He thought the 2019 AO could be his last because of his unresolved hip problem (this was prior to the second surgery). Nowhere did he formally announce that he had retired (the AO simply jumped the gun showing that video of his AO history in front of a tired and emotional Murray). Shortly afterwards he underwent the second hip surgery and all talk of retirement was off the table, at least for now.
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People still say to me, "I thought Murray had retired". It was after he announced his intention to retire that a doctor approached him with a possible solution.
 
sportsfan1 said:
Why can't players just adapt and wrap around a towel on court and change, if they're not allowed to go off court, or is there a rule against that? The serbian wta player jelena jankovic did exactly that at roland garros years ago.
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I agree with you but apparently, it's not allowed.

French tennis player Alize Cornet gets violation after shirt change, sparking sexism chatter

French tennis player Alize Cornet was given a code violation by US Open officials on Tuesday after she temporarily took her shirt off during her first-round match loss to Johanna Larsson. The violation sparked debate about whether USTA officials were being sexist and was later called "unfair" by the WTA.

Cornet took 10 seconds to remove her shirt, briefly showing Flushing Meadows spectators her sports bra, after she realized she put it on backwards during a break in between the second and third sets. She deliberately turned away from television cameras before doing so.
 
clayqueen said:
I agree with you but apparently, it's not allowed.

French tennis player Alize Cornet gets violation after shirt change, sparking sexism chatter

French tennis player Alize Cornet was given a code violation by US Open officials on Tuesday after she temporarily took her shirt off during her first-round match loss to Johanna Larsson. The violation sparked debate about whether USTA officials were being sexist and was later called "unfair" by the WTA.

Cornet took 10 seconds to remove her shirt, briefly showing Flushing Meadows spectators her sports bra, after she realized she put it on backwards during a break in between the second and third sets. She deliberately turned away from television cameras before doing so.
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Carlos Bernardes trolling Rafa regarding his backwards shorts. But eventually allowed Rafa to sort them out. :)
 
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octobrina10 said:
The Paris Masters courts have been tailored for Fed more than once.
tennisbuzz.net

REMEMBER WHEN: The Paris Masters tore up their court, twice, specifically to help Roger Federer win

Carpet courts used to be all the rage in tennis - until tournament directors figured out they wanted Roger Federer more.
tennisbuzz.net tennisbuzz.net
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From this article, which by the way barely mentions injury problems:

The biggest Nadal devotee, Octobrina, is once again cheating readers by implying dislike of carpet was only Federer:

The other major problem it had was that the top players, the modern ones at least, didn’t like it. Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal didn’t like it one bit, and they didn’t make a secret of it.

The players, though, some of them at least, mourned their loss, and there was blame aimed at Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal.

“It is a pity that these super-fast surfaces disappear,” said Jo-Wilfried Tsonga. “We are going to play tennis where the most important thing will be to have four lungs and not the variety of strokes.

“It is said that this is given at the request of Federer and Nadal. It is incredible. So, yes one day Nadal [might] ask that all tournaments be in brick dust, then what will we do?”
 
Dolgopolov85 said:
Shapo hurt his own cause by getting caught up in what Rafa was doing instead of focusing on his own game. But he is absolutely right that tennis has been corrupted beyond redemption now. I remember when Graf, yes Graf, got docked a serve for slow serving. Sampras too. You get comments these days about both players being bad losers but at least they played by the rules and gave a fair shot to a zoning opponent to beat them. The Big Three and mainly Nadalovic have used brilliant PR machines to cover up how much they have corrupted the sport with favouritism. Fed less so but he's not blameless. He took MTOs in AO 2017 to beat Wawrinka and Nadal and has done likewise on a few other occasions. No amount of Edberg awards can cover up that.
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Or going to the bathroom during his AO 2010 match with Davy to just wait the shadow to disappear or something as Davy was kicking his ass.
 
mike danny said:
Or going to the bathroom during his AO 2010 match with Davy to just wait the shadow to disappear or something as Davy was kicking his ass.
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fed was just joking about that. He came back in time from the break b/w sets.
He was getting his a** kicked after that break anyways. davy broke him once and had a BP for double break. only after that fed turned it around.

He took the MTO in AO 2017 semi vs wawa after wawa had taken his.
and he gave nadal a taste of his own medicine in AO 17 final finally, deservedly I'd say.
 
mike danny said:
Sure.

Hamburg 2008 final vs Fed. Fed was a double break up in the first, Nadal takes an MTO and then comes back and wins the set.

FO 2011 F first set. Nadal is down 2-5, then takes an MTO and again comes back to win the set.
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Proof that the MTO worked. What would be the point of an MTO if you are no better after it?
 
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