You guys are all corrupt - Shapovalov

TennisD

Professional
It should be scrapped. So long as the player is not deliberately disrupting play like the McEnroes and Nastases did, which was why the time limit was introduced in the first place. Players need to think before they serve not all players can serve aces without thinking.
This is the most sane take here, but Nadal really did ruin a good thing for everyone and now we're stuck with the idiot clock.
 

tex123

Hall of Fame
I have a slightly different opinion. I find the time wasted between points very boring as a spectator. I think the time should be shortened to 10 seconds or less, no towelling and no bouncing. Give the players couple of more minutes at the changeover instead.
They are humans playing in 35 deg heat with 20 or 30 shot rallies for 5 hours, not robots. Go watch a video game.
 
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Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
Meddy and Shapo both. Good. Serves them right.
The bottom line...the top stars should not be able to get super-long time delays to change the momentum in a match.
That would never have been allowed in the old days in tennis, the stars would have been ashamed of taking advantage of unfair breaks like that.
If you are going to allow significant time delays in a match, when the momentum is against the player who requests the delay, and he obviously would like the other player to cool down and stop the momentum, then that same advantage should be given to ALL players, not just to a few stars.
 

Arak

Legend
They are humans playing in 35 deg heat with 20 or 30 shot rallies for 5 hours, not robots. Go watch a video game.
They are athletes who play a slow paced sport. Tell that to footballers who run on average 12 km in 90 minutes. Also I said give them the equivalent time at changeovers. You’re such a cute little cat go to suck some things.
 

tex123

Hall of Fame
They are athletes who play a slow paced sport. Tell that to footballers who run on average 12 km in 90 minutes. Also I said give them the equivalent time at changeovers. You’re such a cute little cat go to suck some things.
Tennis is a slow paced sport - is that your judgment from your air conditioned living room sitting in your comfy sofa? Here's some advice - go play at a decent level first. 10 sec!! Some people are just :rolleyes:


Oh wow you're down to this level? You go on my ignore list.
 
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Arak

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Tennis is a slow paced sport - is that your judgment from your air conditioned living room sitting in your comfy sofa? Here's some advice - go play at a decent level first. 10 sec!! Some people are just :rolleyes:


Oh wow you're down to this level? You go on my ignore list.
Bravo little cat.
 

Tennisbg

Professional
They are athletes who play a slow paced sport. Tell that to footballers who run on average 12 km in 90 minutes. Also I said give them the equivalent time at changeovers. You’re such a cute little cat go to suck some things.

Football matches are played every 3-4 days. Tennis matches in a GS, every 2 days.
 
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Arak

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Football matches are played every 3-4 days. Tennis matches in a GS, every 2 days.
Yes, that’s correct. Not exactly comparable though. Anyway it’s just an idea. I’m not expecting the ATP to listen to me and follow my recommendations.
 
I’m not expecting the ATP to listen to me and follow my recommendations.

Don't worry, the ATP and co. aren't liistening to anyone except the big Media Broadcasters. They are the ones who are ultimately responsible for a number of changes to the sport ...

1/ Slowing down playing conditions at Wimbledon to combat Serve Bot dominance
2/ Introducing scoring systems like Best of 3 Sets, Tie Breakers, Deciding Points, etc. to shorten duration of matches.
3/ Introducing time restrictions to shorten duration of time between points, game changeovers, and Set breaks.
4/ Introducing Line Calling technologies to speed up decision making.

All of those measure were introduced to allow Media Broadcasters to better schedule their programming. They are paying the big bucks, the get a big say about how the sport is run. Peoples' attention spans are a lot shorter these days so Best of 5 Advantage Sets matches with no time limites are no longer palatable.
 

LETitBE

Hall of Fame
Don't worry, the ATP and co. aren't liistening to anyone except the big Media Broadcasters. They are the ones who are ultimately responsible for a number of changes to the sport ...

1/ Slowing down playing conditions at Wimbledon to combat Serve Bot dominance
2/ Introducing scoring systems like Best of 3 Sets, Tie Breakers, Deciding Points, etc. to shorten duration of matches.
3/ Introducing time restrictions to shorten duration of time between points, game changeovers, and Set breaks.
4/ Introducing Line Calling technologies to speed up decision making.

All of those measure were introduced to allow Media Broadcasters to better schedule their programming. They are paying the big bucks, the get a big say about how the sport is run. Peoples' attention spans are a lot shorter these days so Best of 5 Advantage Sets matches with no time limites are no longer palatable.
YEP....sport isnt about sport anymore

the almighty dollar is GOD
 

DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
People were saying Shapovalov was a liar...
And people believed that a certain Serbian player suffered a muscle tear that put his participation in the rest of the Australian Open 2021 edition in doubt.
Even that player promised (like a politician) to make a documentary about it.
But everything came to nothing and his word was carried away by the wind.
:whistle:
 
Nadal this year:

AO: The Shapovalov incident, disrupting Medvedev's service rythm in crucial junctions of the match.
Wimbledon: The Sonego incident, disrupting Fritz's service rythm in crucial junctions of the match.
Us Open: Disrupting Tiafoe's service rythm in crucial junctions of the match, taking eons for medical and toilet breaks between sets.

And all this along his regular time wasting on his own service.
:(
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal this year:

AO: The Shapovalov incident, disrupting Medvedev's service rythm in crucial junctions of the match.
Wimbledon: The Sonego incident, disrupting Fritz's service rythm in crucial junctions of the match.
Us Open: Disrupting Tiafoe's service rythm in crucial junctions of the match, taking eons for medical and toilet breaks between sets.

And all this along his regular time wasting on his own service.
:(
AO: Shapovalov was wrong. He became hysterical when there were still 8 seconds left on the serve clock, when Rafa was serving in the 2nd game of the 2nd set:

Wimbledon: Sonego was grunting long after hitting the ball, not Rafa.
US Open: ... (I am lazy to comment crap.)

The worst thing, Djoko fanatic, is that you are constantly falsely accusing Rafa of wasting time on his own serve.
The ATP Tour started to use the serve clock 4+ years ago, in the summer of 2018. The chair umpire triggers the serve clock before every 1st serve, players have to monitor the clock and the server has to stay within the 25-second time limit he sees on the clock. It's impossible for the server to "waste" more time between the points than the serve clock allows without being punished by the chair umpire (a warning, losing the 1st serve, losing the point).
 
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AO: Shapovalov was wrong. He became hysterical when there were still 8 seconds left on the serve clock, when Rafa was serving in the 2nd game of the 2nd set:

Wimbledon: Sonego was grunting long after hitting the ball, not Rafa.
US Open: ... (I am lazy to comment crap.)

The worst thing, Djoko fanatic, is that you are constantly falsely accusing Rafa of wasting time on his own serve.
The ATP Tour started to use the serve clock 4+ years ago, in the summer of 2018. The chair umpire triggers the serve clock before every 1st serve, players have to monitor the clock and the server has to stay within the 25-second time limit he sees on the clock. It's impossible for the server to "waste" more time between the points than the serve clock allows without being punished by the chair umpire (a warning, losing the 1st serve, losing the point).
And what about this. Any comment on this unruly Nadal actions in crucial phases of important Slam matches!?:unsure:
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jm1980

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They are humans playing in 35 deg heat with 20 or 30 shot rallies for 5 hours, not robots. Go watch a video game.
Or, maybe if they start enforcing the rules that are already there, it will encourage players to go for their shots and end the points more quickly, instead of letting matches drag into 5 hour slugfests with 20-30 shot rallies

Physical matches with long rallies used to be a clay court only problem. But slowing down the surfaces and not enforcing the rules has made the entire calendar feel like clay
 
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octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
You do know that once upon a time the ITF rule was 20 seconds between points, isn't it!? And that wasn't meant to be the reasonable time, but the maximum time! How on earth 15-20 seconds isn't a reasonable pace in between points is beyond me.
It doesn't matter what rules existed in the past. Players play according to the rules that exist during their match.
 

serbiavic

Professional
You do know that once upon a time the ITF rule was 20 seconds between points, isn't it!? And that wasn't meant to be the reasonable time, but the maximum time! How on earth 15-20 seconds in 2022 isn't a reasonable pace in between points is beyond me.
So true haha.
 

LETitBE

Hall of Fame
AO: Shapovalov was wrong. He became hysterical when there were still 8 seconds left on the serve clock, when Rafa was serving in the 2nd game of the 2nd set:

Wimbledon: Sonego was grunting long after hitting the ball, not Rafa.
US Open: ... (I am lazy to comment crap.)

The worst thing, Djoko fanatic, is that you are constantly falsely accusing Rafa of wasting time on his own serve.
The ATP Tour started to use the serve clock 4+ years ago, in the summer of 2018. The chair umpire triggers the serve clock before every 1st serve, players have to monitor the clock and the server has to stay within the 25-second time limit he sees on the clock. It's impossible for the server to "waste" more time between the points than the serve clock allows without being punished by the chair umpire (a warning, losing the 1st serve, losing the point).
why does the umpire wait so long before he starts the clock for your bald hero?
preferential treatment?
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
The receiver shall play to the reasonable pace of the server:

You do not disrupt the server's service game but cope with his/her pace. Such tactic is GAMESMANSHIP, especially on the important point.

There are compelling facts that many players have complaint about Nadal's wasting time(both on the serving & and receiving end)

Apologist like you can defend your idol to doomsday and will never convince anybody.

Capiche ?
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
You do not disrupt the server's service game but cope with his/her pace. Such tactic is GAMESMANSHIP, especially on the important point.

There are compelling facts that many players have complaint about Nadal's wasting time(both on the serving & and receiving end)

Apologist like you can defend your idol to doomsday and will never convince anybody.

Capiche ?
1) I suggest you to follow the 2022 Official Grand Slam Rulebook (see the excerpt in my post you quoted), instead of trying to create your own rules.

2) If someone complains that Rafa is 'wasting' time between points (before his 1st serves), this complainer is lying.
The ATP Tour started to use the serve clock 4+ years ago, in the summer of 2018. The chair umpire triggers the serve clock before every 1st serve, players have to monitor the clock and the server has to stay within the 25-second time limit he sees on the clock. It's impossible for the server to "waste" more time between the points than the serve clock allows without being punished by the chair umpire (a warning, losing the 1st serve, losing the point).
 
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