You guys are all corrupt - Shapovalov

The_Order

G.O.A.T.
You do not disrupt the server's service game but cope with his/her pace. Such tactic is GAMESMANSHIP, especially on the important point.

There are compelling facts that many players have complaint about Nadal's wasting time(both on the serving & and receiving end)

Apologist like you can defend your idol to doomsday and will never convince anybody.

Capiche ?

22 > 20 capiche?
 

weakera

Talk Tennis Guru
And what about this. Any comment on this unruly Nadal actions in crucial phases of important Slam matches!?:unsure:
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This is within the rules.


Speaking of pressure situations :laughing:

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weakera

Talk Tennis Guru
That includes data from 2008-2010, when Djokovic was in fact a tad slow between points on serve. As the years went on though, Djokovic did speed it up, while Nadal never improved and sometimes got even slower.



"I guess we're all different," Djokovic said. "I mean, I can speak for myself.

"I try to use that very short time to obviously hydrate myself, clean up my sweat (smiling), but also do some conscious breathing, re-centering, so to say, techniques that I have that have helped me throughout my career.

"Sometimes you actually don't have a minute because they start the clock as soon as the last point of the previous game is done. By the time you walked eventually to get a towel, to get the bench, it's already 20, 30 seconds passed.

"[It's a] very, very short time with these new rules with the shot clock. I don't like it, to be honest, so much because I feel like it's too much pressure on time."



Novak Djokovic’s Secret Weapon: the Tactical Bathroom Break
The world No. 1 has perfected the tennis timeout to collect his thoughts and throw off his opponents
 

AO13

Hall of Fame
And what about this. Any comment on this unruly Nadal actions in crucial phases of important Slam matches!?:unsure:
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Wow okay, didn't know his antics about disrupting opponent's pace and breaking their focus goes this far. All on Slams, all on break points which could change the whole match.

It just shows how much of a joke is that sportsmanship award, how many times now did Nadal get it? :-D
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
That includes data from 2008-2010, when Djokovic was in fact a tad slow between points on serve. As the years went on though, Djokovic did speed it up, while Nadal never improved and sometimes got even slower.
You are cheating readers.
The ATP Tour started to use the serve clock 4+ years ago, in the summer of 2018. The chair umpire triggers the serve clock before every 1st serve, players have to monitor the clock and the server has to stay within the 25-second time limit he sees on the clock. It's impossible for the server to be 'slower' between the points than the serve clock allows without being punished by the chair umpire (a warning, losing the 1st serve, losing the point).
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
Read the rules. You cannot ask player come to talk while the match going. Sonego should show him middle finger.
Sonego should shut up sooner after hitting the ball. As for your suggestion, I wonder if Sonego is as rude as (some of) his fans are. :unsure:
 

nounforcederrors

Hall of Fame
That was an honest mistake and you know it. He paid the price of being disqualified from the match and he silently accepted it as well.
I saw that one happen live. Shapo was genuinely shocked his ball, whacked in a tantrum, hit someone, and he was instantly remorseful. He was still a teenager then, not that that's an excuse.
 

nounforcederrors

Hall of Fame
Saying Nadal and Federer cheat and/or gamesmanship is like saying Djokovic and Federer smash racket.

The difference is night and day
Cheating hurts the opponent. Racket smashing is throwing a few pounds/dollars/rubles away. Difference of night and day.
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
Isn't it poetic justice that Dustin Brown, the fastest player between points of last 25 years never got beaten by Nadal, one of the slowest of the same time period.
Isn't it poetic justice that Dustin Brown has zero singles titles (turned pro 20 years ago) ?
 
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Don't cheat the readers. He was primarily a doubles player and has 2 titles to his name. Fact that he still beat Rafa twice and not losing a single match is justice served cold. lol.
Yeah, and he won both of those matches in 2014-2015 when Rafa was losing to everyone and their dog. Plus, it was grass, which hasn't been Rafa's best surface for years now. Not impressed, sorry.
 

mahatma

Hall of Fame
Yeah, and he won both of those matches in 2014-2015 when Rafa was losing to everyone and their dog. Plus, it was grass, which hasn't been Rafa's best surface for years now. Not impressed, sorry.

Lol with a 81.4% win rate 2014 was definitely a bad season. One guy won a slam plus 3 more titles, other was a 100+ rank. And yet, you are not impressed, lol. Poetic justice for all the blind fans.
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
Don't cheat the readers. He was primarily a doubles player and has 2 titles to his name. Fact that he still beat Rafa twice and not losing a single match is justice served cold. lol.
Hmm. I wonder, what's the use of being "the fastest player between points of last 25 years" if it hasn't brought him (D.Brown) more than 2 doubles titles during 20 years. :unsure:
 

TennisD

Professional
They are athletes who play a slow paced sport. Tell that to footballers who run on average 12 km in 90 minutes. Also I said give them the equivalent time at changeovers. You’re such a cute little cat go to suck some things.
There is absolutely nothing slow-paced about modern professional tennis.
 

Arak

Legend
There is absolutely nothing slow-paced about modern professional tennis.
It’s faster than before but it’s still slow paced relatively. You only need to check match statistics. Modern players seem to run around 1km per set in average, totalling between 3 to 4 km per match. In football, depending on their position, players can run as much as 14 km in 90 minutes.
 
1) I suggest you to follow the 2022 Official Grand Slam Rulebook (see the excerpt in my post you quoted), instead of trying to create your own rules.

2) If someone complains that Rafa is 'wasting' time between points (before his 1st serves), this complainer is lying.
The ATP Tour started to use the serve clock 4+ years ago, in the summer of 2018. The chair umpire triggers the serve clock before every 1st serve, players have to monitor the clock and the server has to stay within the 25-second time limit he sees on the clock. It's impossible for the server to "waste" more time between the points than the serve clock allows without being punished by the chair umpire (a warning, losing the 1st serve, losing the point).

Ahhh, don't you just love SEMANTICS.

"The chair umpire triggers the serve clock before every 1st Serve"

Indeed they do. But the umpire decides when to trigger that clock. The period of time between the when the last point is finished and the serve clock is started for the next point depends on when the umpire decides to trigger the serve clock. It is not unusual for some players to get favorable treatment even though the rules continue to be followed.

A Proper Serve clock would be restarted EXACTLY 10 seconds after the completion of the previous points. NO EXCEPTIONS. Doesn't matter how long the previous point was. Doesn't matter how much noise the crowd makes. Doesn't matter whether a player wants to towel off. Serve Clock is restarted EXACTLY 10 seconds after the completion of the previous point. That way, the umpire is unable to use their discretion. In fact, the umpire should not be the one who controls the Serve Clock. It should be another official.

It's not difficult to see that certain players have been cut a lot more slack in this regard over their careers. Personally, I think it is a joke. Either have a strictly regulated process - as per above - OR ditch the serve clocks altogether.

If I was playing guys like Rafa or Novak who seem to take forever when serving ... I would constantly complain to the Umpire about it. Kick up a big stink. Make a big issue out of it at every opportunity. The TV Broadcasters would love it. Even the players most fervent fans would eventually agree because the game would become an even better spectacle. Nothing changes without complaining.

While I am a great fan of Rafa Nadal. He is somewhat of a hypocrite. He constantly talks about "Respect for the Sport" and "Respect for the players". And yet, he is no different to any other player. He often bends the rules in order to gain and advantage.

And he also seems to respect players he beats a lot more than the ones who beat him - except for Federer.
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
Ahhh, don't you just love SEMANTICS.

"The chair umpire triggers the serve clock before every 1st Serve"

Indeed they do. But the umpire decides when to trigger that clock. The period of time between the when the last point is finished and the serve clock is started for the next point depends on when the umpire decides to trigger the serve clock. It is not unusual for some players to get favorable treatment even though the rules continue to be followed.

A Proper Serve clock would be restarted EXACTLY 10 seconds after the completion of the previous points. NO EXCEPTIONS. Doesn't matter how long the previous point was. Doesn't matter how much noise the crowd makes. Doesn't matter whether a player wants to towel off. Serve Clock is restarted EXACTLY 10 seconds after the completion of the previous point. That way, the umpire is unable to use their discretion. In fact, the umpire should not be the one who controls the Serve Clock. It should be another official.

It's not difficult to see that certain players have been cut a lot more slack in this regard over their careers. Personally, I think it is a joke. Either have a strictly regulated process - as per above - OR ditch the serve clocks altogether.
You can’t falsely accuse Rafa, if you think that "It is not unusual for some players to get favorable treatment even though the rules continue to be followed."

If I was playing guys like Rafa or Novak who seem to take forever when serving ... I would constantly complain to the Umpire about it. Kick up a big stink. Make a big issue out of it at every opportunity. The TV Broadcasters would love it. Even the players most fervent fans would eventually agree because the game would become an even better spectacle. Nothing changes without complaining.
You are falsely accusing Rafa that he "seems to take forever when serving." It really just seems to you or you are intentionally trying to cheat readers.
The chair umpire triggers the serve clock before every 1st serve, players have to monitor the clock and the server has to stay within the 25-second time limit he sees on the clock. It's impossible for the server to "take" more time between the points than the serve clock allows without being punished by the chair umpire (a warning, losing the 1st serve, losing the point).

While I am a great fan of Rafa Nadal. He is somewhat of a hypocrite.
I am wondering why some Rafa bashers declare themselves “a great fan of Rafa Nadal.” :unsure:
 

LETitBE

Hall of Fame
You can’t falsely accuse Rafa, if you think that "It is not unusual for some players to get favorable treatment even though the rules continue to be followed."


You are falsely accusing Rafa that he "seems to take forever when serving." It really just seems to you or you are intentionally trying to cheat readers.
The chair umpire triggers the serve clock before every 1st serve, players have to monitor the clock and the server has to stay within the 25-second time limit he sees on the clock. It's impossible for the server to "take" more time between the points than the serve clock allows without being punished by the chair umpire (a warning, losing the 1st serve, losing the point).


I am wondering why some Rafa bashers declare themselves “a great fan of Rafa Nadal.” :unsure:
so baldy does get preferential treatment,glad to see you admit it
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
so baldy does get preferential treatment,glad to see you admit it
You are wrong. I wrote: ¤¤ If you [the poster I replied to] think that "It is not unusual for some players to get favorable treatment even though the rules continue to be followed." ¤¤
 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
lol. Was watching a video where the ATP asked several players which other player they would want to be for a week. Where most were saying Fed or Nadal, leave it to Shapo to say Novak and slight the others in his response. Anyway, the funny part of the video was Diego being asked if he wanted to be Isner, :laughing:
 

serbiavic

Professional
Ahhh, don't you just love SEMANTICS.

"The chair umpire triggers the serve clock before every 1st Serve"

Indeed they do. But the umpire decides when to trigger that clock. The period of time between the when the last point is finished and the serve clock is started for the next point depends on when the umpire decides to trigger the serve clock. It is not unusual for some players to get favorable treatment even though the rules continue to be followed.

A Proper Serve clock would be restarted EXACTLY 10 seconds after the completion of the previous points. NO EXCEPTIONS. Doesn't matter how long the previous point was. Doesn't matter how much noise the crowd makes. Doesn't matter whether a player wants to towel off. Serve Clock is restarted EXACTLY 10 seconds after the completion of the previous point. That way, the umpire is unable to use their discretion. In fact, the umpire should not be the one who controls the Serve Clock. It should be another official.

It's not difficult to see that certain players have been cut a lot more slack in this regard over their careers. Personally, I think it is a joke. Either have a strictly regulated process - as per above - OR ditch the serve clocks altogether.

If I was playing guys like Rafa or Novak who seem to take forever when serving ... I would constantly complain to the Umpire about it. Kick up a big stink. Make a big issue out of it at every opportunity. The TV Broadcasters would love it. Even the players most fervent fans would eventually agree because the game would become an even better spectacle. Nothing changes without complaining.

While I am a great fan of Rafa Nadal. He is somewhat of a hypocrite. He constantly talks about "Respect for the Sport" and "Respect for the players". And yet, he is no different to any other player. He often bends the rules in order to gain and advantage.

And he also seems to respect players he beats a lot more than the ones who beat him - except for Federer.

That's because Nadal had a huge H2h against him and beat him at Wimbledon 2008 and Ao 2009, not to mention always at RG. Easy for him to be nice to federer.
 

Backspin1183

Talk Tennis Guru

Wtf! Dude, you single-handedly been bumping this thread for last few days? Nobody cares about this thread anymore. I don't know if you're trying to get this thread deleted by mods because you're succeeding in it with multiple bumps for no reason.
 
I am wondering why some Rafa bashers declare themselves “a great fan of Rafa Nadal.” :unsure:

Simple. Most of us realise that Rafa Nadal is a mortal human being who is good at playing tennis.

But there are some who think that he is some sort of god who can do no wrong. Which is rather strange because Rafa himself has often said that he is far from perfect.

So the true Rafa Bashers are those who do not accept that he can be critiqued for certain behaviours he exhibits on a tennis court when playing tennis matches. And the true Rafa bashers also refuse to accept the possiblity that the (imperfect) Rafa can and does bend the rules at times to give himself an advantage.

True fans of Rafa, accept he is human, accept that he does bend the rules at times, and accept that his position in the sport can be the reason why some of his behaviours are tolerated more than other players are.

Nothing wrong with that ... happens in many areas of life. And nothing wrong with calling those sorts of things out either.
 
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