You make the call! Whose point is it?

Who wins the point?

  • Serving Team

    Votes: 2 4.3%

  • Returning Team

    Votes: 25 54.3%

  • Replay the point.

    Votes: 19 41.3%
  • Total voters
    46
BiGGieStuFF

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In a match of mixed doubles, the lady serves to the female player in the ad court. The shot is returned and and the male net player poaches the shot towards the deuce side. The other male player on the returners side volleys the poached shot for a winner towards the female in the ad court. It bounces twice and then she calls a let because a ball rolled into the court during the point.

Male returner indicates that she did not call a let immediately as the ball rolled into the court. Female server indicates she felt it was an obvious let call and gave up on the point without calling a let until after the winning shot bounced twice.

Male on th serving side did not see the ball because it rolled in from behind him.

Who does the point belong to?
 
According to “The Code” (Part 2 of the USTA’s Friend at Court), “The player loses the right to call a let if the player unreasonably delays in making the call.”

So, that would say that the receiving team would win the point, although it’s unclear why neither of them called a let, since both of them should have been able to see the ball rolling onto the court behind their male opponent.

THE CODE

The Players’ Guide for Unofficiated Matches

MAKING CALLS

19. Lets called when balls roll on the court. When a ball from an adjacent court enters the playing area, any player shall call a let as soon as the player becomes aware of the ball. The player loses the right to call a let if the player unreasonably delays in making the call.
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Agree with gjoc on the call, if they unduly delay it's not a valid let. The problem comes with what is considered a reasonable delay. At what point did the ball roll onto the court? Was it just before she "returned"?
 
she called the let to late, funny she calls for a let after the ball bounces twice, hence the point is over before she called the let.
 
I always see a ball rolling onto the court as a safety issue and stop the point immediately. If this is done I don't think you can go wrong.
 
origmarm said:
PimpMyGame said:
I always see a ball rolling onto the court as a safety issue and stop the point immediately. If this is done I don't think you can go wrong.
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This is definitely the way to go on these ones
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You're supposed to call the let the moment the ball rolls onto the court (or even towards the court) if you're focused on safety. You're not supposed to call the let when you realize there is a chance to lose the point.
 
Without being there and seeing the exact order of events that happened and the time it tooke them to happen in what you described is an actual let and therefore by rule the point should be replayed.
 
Once the point is over it is too late to call a let. I truly hate it when, after a point, someone says "you know, that ball kind of distracted me, I think we should replay the point".

Seems to fall into the category of the 2nd chance rule.
 
kylebarendrick said:
Once the point is over it is too late to call a let. I truly hate it when, after a point, someone says "you know, that ball kind of distracted me, I think we should replay the point".

Seems to fall into the category of the 2nd chance rule.
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I agree. Either call it when it happens or shut up. I'm not going to give you a second chance to win the point.


Cheers,

Tim
 
No way to make a judgement unless I was there. Did the person truly stop and not attempt to make a play on the ball? I've seen (and done myself) where a player stops holds up his hand (to signal a let), the ball was rolling through the middle of the court, so everyone knew what was happening. Everyone knew the player was calling a let even though he never actually called it.
 
bleach said:
No way to make a judgement unless I was there. Did the person truly stop and not attempt to make a play on the ball? I've seen (and done myself) where a player stops holds up his hand (to signal a let), the ball was rolling through the middle of the court, so everyone knew what was happening. Everyone knew the player was calling a let even though he never actually called it.
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No hand was raised. Guy hit the volley for a winner and started going to the baseline. Male on serving team had no idea ball rolled into the court since the ball was behind him and continued to play the point. Let was not called until well after the 2nd bounce. Lady assumed it was obvious and admitted to not calling a let as the ball rolled through as she thought it was an obvious let although her partner had no idea the ball was on the court.
 
Assuming a let? give me a break. Thats like someone assuming that a ball is out and just stands there without calling it out. I hate that. YOu must call a let immediately, and you must call out balls out. It is simple.
 
I agree with Geezer Guy - give her the benefit of the doubt and play a let.
BTW, someone has voted to give the point to the serving team...HUH?! How does that work?
 
All points played in good faith stand. If you didnt call let during the point then there is no reason why you should expect to replay the point.

You can feel that it's being "fair" all you want, but it's not fair to the other team that has won that point.

If it was me, I would just let them have the point. I didnt call let in time and that's my fault, I dont deserve a second chance. Luckily it's just a point, and it's just a tennis match so there are no hard feelings.
 
Javier, I can see your point...If I were on the serving team, I'd simply award the point to my opponents, but if I were on the receiving team, I'd give my opponents a let (of course, this really depends on whether or not the server tried to get to the ball, couldn't, then called a let, or wether she stopped play immediately upon seeing the ball roll onto our court).

P.S. I'd still like to know who voted to award the point to the serving team...:)
 
BiGGieStuFF said:
No hand was raised. Guy hit the volley for a winner and started going to the baseline. Male on serving team had no idea ball rolled into the court since the ball was behind him and continued to play the point. Let was not called until well after the 2nd bounce. Lady assumed it was obvious and admitted to not calling a let as the ball rolled through as she thought it was an obvious let although her partner had no idea the ball was on the court.
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if they continued playing, then they are giving up their choice to 'let'. the returning side wins the point. i think usta rules were mentioned above as well.
 
BiGGieStuFF said:
... It bounces twice and then she calls a let because a ball rolled into the court during the point.

... Female server indicates she felt it was an obvious let call and gave up on the point without calling a let until after the winning shot bounced twice.
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"a ball rolled into the court during the point" That's a let.

Maybe she should have called it sooner, but there are lots of times people don't make a call on something they feel is clearly obvious to all.

To me, it's not worth the hard feelings and disruption to argue about it.
(Anyway, if you feel you're getting hooked you can always hook them back later.)
 
10sfreak said:
P.S. I'd still like to know who voted to award the point to the serving team...:)
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I think it's obvious, my dear 10sfreak.

The server wanted to play a let.

The receiving team thought THEY won the point.

That only leaves the server's partner - so obviously he voted that the serving team should win the point!
 
Geezer Guy said:
"a ball rolled into the court during the point" That's a let.

Maybe she should have called it sooner, but there are lots of times people don't make a call on something they feel is clearly obvious to all.

To me, it's not worth the hard feelings and disruption to argue about it.
(Anyway, if you feel you're getting hooked you can always hook them back later.)
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when the point is over, you really can't call let. the ball rolled in before the point/volley. the serving girl said that it seemed 'obvious' that it was a let, which is invalid since she didn't specifically call a let before the point ended. if you don't call lines in/out, then no matter how long the ball is, then it's considered 'technically' in.
 
If the shot was a clean winner (unreturnable whether the ball rolled on to the court or not), they should not play a let no matter when the let was called. If it wasn't a clean winner, and I was on the receiving team, I would agree to play a let.
 
tenniko said:
when the point is over, you really can't call let. the ball rolled in before the point/volley. the serving girl said that it seemed 'obvious' that it was a let, which is invalid since she didn't specifically call a let before the point ended. if you don't call lines in/out, then no matter how long the ball is, then it's considered 'technically' in.
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the point was over when the ball rolled onto the court.
she immediately stopped play.

I agree it would have been nice if she'd called LET, but a ball rolled onto the court and she stopped play. That's a let.

And, if a ball is considerably out MANY players won't call OUT. It's clear it's out. No need to rub your opponents nose in it.
 
Geezer Guy said:
I think it's obvious, my dear 10sfreak.

The server wanted to play a let.

The receiving team thought THEY won the point.

That only leaves the server's partner - so obviously he voted that the serving team should win the point!
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GG, I mean who on this board has voted in the poll to award the point to the serving team? That's what I don't understand...:?
 
Geezer Guy said:
"a ball rolled into the court during the point" That's a let.
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No, that’s not a let, it’s just grounds for a let--it’s not “a let” until someone calls it a let (aloud, not just in their head).

Geezer Guy said:
Maybe she should have called it sooner, but there are lots of times people don't make a call on something they feel is clearly obvious to all
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Yes, and there are also “lots of times” when a player deliberately waits to see the result of the next shot before making a call of “out” or “let.”

Clearly it was not obvious to her partner, behind whom the ball was rolling, so she should have at least warned him right away, if nothing else.

The fact that she didn’t even warn her partner, much less call the let, is strong evidence to me that she was just waiting to see the result of the point, and calling a let was her “Plan B” (i.e., her second chance to win the point).

Geezer Guy said:
To me, it's not worth the hard feelings and disruption to argue about it.
(Anyway, if you feel you're getting hooked you can always hook them back later.)
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Nice, because deliberately making a bad call later on, to “hook them back,” certainly won’t cause any “hard feelings and disruption to argue about.” :roll:
 
gjoc said:
... Clearly it was not obvious to her partner, behind whom the ball was rolling, so she should have at least warned him right away, if nothing else.
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The fact that she didn’t even warn her partner, much less call the let, is strong evidence to me that she was just waiting to see the result of the point, and calling a let was her “Plan B” (i.e., her second chance to win the point).
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I agree with your first point.

I would agree with your second point if she had tried to return the ball, waited to see the result, and then call "let". The OP said she simply stopped play without trying for the ball.

(and I was joking about hooking them later)
 
BiGGieStuFF said:
... It bounces twice and then she calls a let because a ball rolled into the court during the point. ... Female server indicates she felt it was an obvious let call and gave up on the point without calling a let until after the winning shot bounced twice. ...
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Actually, I just reread the OP and am confused about the points above. Was a let "called", or was it "no-called".

Just disregard my previous posts.
 
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