Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by bottledwater, Sep 24, 2009.
What's your LTA rating?
That would actually work with many guys, not Federer though
Funny story, when i was like 21 or 22 i practiced at a club and there was this incredibly hot chick with her friend playing on the court next too me and i actually heard her saying to her friend that she thought it was very sexy when a guy hit really hard 1st serves...I average 120-125 mph on my 1st serve and i happened to hear what she said...i stepped up too serve and i tried too smack that ball like crazy too impresse her (well i am man enough too admit it) and i swear it was like 70-75 mph (it was not even a shank) and my friend started to laugh like a mad man for 10 minutes...Yeah i felt really embarassed:shock:
Ok guys, I just check Roger's facebook a few minutes ago and he said he's withdrawing from Japan and Shanghai for a rest...
A good times for you guys to pay him a visit and ask for a hit. I'm sure he'll agree since it is not too demanding for his body.
Honestly, I don't think I would have a chance...to even break a point.
he could ace you every single time on his serve then hit a winner on any of your serves. Without even breaking a sweat.
I think it would be 6-0 6-0 for sure. How many points can I win? When Federer is serving maybe even none but let's say he hits a couple of double faults(which could be 2 points) and I will hit a fluke return against the net(1 point). However if Federer desides to put less power thus less risk on his serve it is possible I could even win none of the points. On my serve I think I can fluke a couple of aces(let's say about 2 points), and maybe Federer will make a couple of return errors(let's say 4 points). Otherwise the point is pretty much lost. Let's just add 1 extra point from a Federer miss. This makes 3 points on the Federer serve If I am lucky and 7 on my serve. I would say I would win 10 points, but only if I am lucky and Federer is not at his best.
I think it's possible to win a point off Federer's 2nd serve, but you'd need to pick a spot and go for broke, maybe after 10-20 tries you can hit a service return winner.
College level would be way higher than "local tennis club", which was what the OP was talking about.
None of us would win a game off him...ever. 2-3 points throughout a 2 set match isn't impossible, it can be done.
Nah, I agree. I'm not a pro. Its not an exaggeration of our abilities. Simply stating that we can win a point or two, is not an exaggeration. If somehow any of us gets the chance, and we don't win a point, personally I'd never hold a racket again.
When I was playing in college, a club in NYC used to let me play for free so long as I hit with some of their better members. I played a guy who had ATP points once, not sure how many, and although the games were close, and it took about an hour and twenty minutes, the dude beat me 1 and 1. What kept it going was that he wasn't a huge hitter and was very very rusty. But when he needed to he could suddenly construct a really great point, hit lines left and right, serve and volley, hit an ace, etc. And he was probably never higher than 800 at his best, and when I played him, he was basically playing on a weekend warrior basis. I can't even imagine what the top 100 guys can do, let alone Federer. The other guy I played with ATP points was a guy who had played 4 or 3 for Boise State. He was not as consistent but had a lot more power. I think he said he was ranked in the low 900's. When I hit with him, he was out of form, but his power was way bigger than anybody I had ever hit with. He told me his power was actually comparable to pros much higher ranked but that his consistency was nowhere near that level. He talked about how the higher ranked guys, their kinetic chain, the viciousness of their torque, was just on a completely different level.
Anyway, when I played the first guy, I was probably only playing every week or two. it's weird, back in my competitive days, if I took even a day off, I felt like I could feel my game had gotten worse. These days, I take days, weeks, even months off, and it all seems more or less the same. Sucks.
I was pretty impressed. Not because he's doing stuff other top pros can't, but it's just impressive period. His strokes look so clean, the sound is so pleasing, such effortless power.
I would win and make him cry for sure
I train out of Bollettieri's. I played Fed during a practice match at the Sony Ericsson open. It was right before the tourney started ( so no this was not a video game!)
Which pro or high ranked junior are you?
Im gonna say this again. The biggest servers have the best chance against Federer.
"Pics or it didn't/wouldn't happen"
I'd hit no winners, but still get a game in from his unforced errors
this is fed vs. you:
Id let Fed win every point off me.
Dont want to bruise his ego.;-)
Fed would have made you a rööe pölse even sitting in a wheelchair...
This reminds me of that Austin DJ that bet Roddick he could return 1 out of 10 serves...that was classic YouTube...
a club level guy can win a few points against fed:
1) Fed double faults
2) netcord winners.. I would aim for the netcord.. lol
3) moonball to his backhand and hope he shanks it
4) run around the backhand and crack his second serves.. maybe 1/20 will land in for a winner!
5) our low bouncing, slow paced serves will be something he has rarely seen since his junior years.. maybe he will miss a few returns.
6) underarm sidespin serve & volley will win 1 point against him :twisted:
The sound is enhanced because they are playing indoors. Everyone sounds like they're hitting cleaner and harder when they play indoors. And I'm not just talking about the pros. Most good college and open level players can hit like that easily.
For some perspective, earlier this summer I watched Andy Murray play a practice set against Ross Huthchins (doubles specialist)who is ranked around 1200 in singles.
I did not see Hutchins win a single point in about 20 minutes of play!, it wasn't a worthy challenge for Andy, so his coach came onto the court and they had to play Canadian doubles against him to give him any competition at all, and it still was not really enough.
I think I could win a point...off a UE from Fed. Really, if I even won 2 straight points it would be a miracle, Watching Fed I often find myself going...God I wish my (insert shot) was half as good as that. I have no problem saying I would get completely crushed...but since I was playing Fed I would deem it an hour to get bageled by him.
I will take my time between serves maybe around a minute(15 seconds of getting the ball since theres no ball boys/girls, 15 seconds of going to serve, 15 seconds of the djokovic and 15 seconds of acting like I'm messing up on my toss) and also on change overs. In the end I know I'll get a bagel handed to me but atleast I can say it took federer more than 30 minutes to do so.
In 2002 I played a charity set against Sampras at Flushing...I got two points,both from his errors.
I am a Uk club player, rating 7.2, which I think is about 3.5 US.
I realize he was indoors. And Murray is quite possibly a future number 1 player, and certainly a future Grand Slam champ who is currently number 3 in the world... which is my way of completely disagreeing that "most" college and open level players can hit like that.
At the US Open one year, I think the year before Andy won it all, saw Roddick practicing with Ginepri at Armstrong Stadium, and I think for about 20 minutes or so, Robby couldn't win a point off Andy. He looked embarrassed, head down, like he wished he could disappear, and Todd Martin kept going up to him to make him feel better.
I totally owned Roger Federer in straight sets before, and would effortlessly do it again.
*Turns on PS3*
was it on easy mode? , jk
im not THAT good in tennis, played only a few league games and tournaments, but in badminton (which is more my sport) I had already the chance to play switzerlands best badminton players and had almost no chance of winning a point. regarding the fact that switzerland's best players are nobodies on the world tour (best swiss player is ranked 144) and would look like beginners vs the tops lin dan, lee chong wei, peter gade...I'd be happy for every rally I'd have with them
so in case of playing federer (who certainly would not give 100% like in a GS), I'd be happy to return as many balls as possible.
I really do miss it sometimes. Most of the guys I played from the big colleges usually had an ATP ranking. I wish now that I had kept a journal so I could remember some names. I remember a few here and there. This is one guy who coaches/d at IMG academies. I think is name is Desmond something (I mentioned his name in that thread "7 degrees of Roger Federer"). One of the better players I have played against. I know he played futures but I don't know if he had an actually ATP ranking or not. He beat me something like 2 and 3. Then there were the guys who were really good but never played futures. I've run into a few of them. Southern University, their program got cut, used to be really good. We played LSU a few times. I remember one time in particular when I played one guy and he was ranked 80 something in the college rankings. He won the first set 6-3, I was up in the 2nd set 4-0, that guy came back and one 6 straight games. I felt pretty darn sick. I had never beaten that guy in like 3 tries so I felt pretty bad after that. I will never forget what my coach told me after that match. "You know you always talk about how good these guys are and what their ranking is, but you are just as good as they are." I've played some guys here who had an ATP ranking but only in doubles.
I played a Big Ten D1 player today. I returned exactly two serves in the entire set. One was pounded into the opposite corner for a winner and the other was hit for a dropshot winner. I also managed to win three points on serve, with one of those being a UE.
I don think some of these guys actually know how good pros are, they hit the ball with so much spin and heat that i think more then half these players in the forum would be lucky to get it back, look at nadal for example, with ease he could spin his forehand over your head easily, and most players "normal shots" are over 70 MPH with winners over 90 MPH. And lets face it if they wanted to they could winner every serve you hit, ESPECIALLY second serves, even if you have a NICE KICK. at their level our NICE KICKS, are like low kicks for them. Like its just so rediculous how percise and consistant they are. Now i dont think many people in this forum can take points off players in the top 200.
I'm not talking about winning a match against Murray, just hitting with decent pace consistently, which is what Murray was doing in that video clip. Nothing special really. I see guys doing the same thing all the time.
I have wins against some really mediocre D-1 number 1's and 2's (Fordham's 2 and Rutgers Newark's 1), and some respectable losses (Villanova's 2, Western Kentucky's 1, and Hofstra's 3, who was actually one of the top 2 or 3 at that spot in his conference). Played several top D-2 guys, lost handily. You were competing at a much higher level than me. Never ran into any guys with ATP points in college. But thinking back, I did beat a lot of solid players, a lot of them foreigners with way more experience. Safe to say you were competing at a much higher level than me. It's true what your coach said in that a lot of it is about belief. Out of every sport I've ever played -- and I've played organized baseball, basketball, soccer, lots of martial arts -- tennis is by far, IMO, the most psychologically challenging. When I was 15, I beat the number 4 guy at Western Michigan, who was teaching us, and coaches told me I need to keep playing better people, play in college, and I thought they were nuts. I stopped playing for nearly three years so I would have more time to drink and be stupid with my rower and wrestler friends, and by the time I picked a racket up again, my western forehand had become an eastern forehand, my service motion was gone, and I sucked. I played number 1 for my D-2 school because the players on the team remembered me from the juniors and thought I was still good, they kind of caved in during the challenge matches, but I should have played 2 or maybe even 3. I only won 2 singles matches at number 1 that whole year. I wonder how good I could have been if I hung out with tennis players in high school and never stopped playing. These days, I don't care. Haha. At least that's what I tell myself and others.
I know what you meant. I'm impressed by the quality of hitting. I've seen videos of other pros practicing, and I was still impressed by his movement, economy of technique, and the cleanliness of his contact.
Some fail to realize how much of a difference 10-20 mph of pace actually makes in ball sports.
A simple comparison, lets look at baseball pitching, 80mph is a good highschool level fastball, 90 mph is major league level, the 10mph difference seems small
on paper, but makes a big difference when you step up to the plate and actually experience it first hand.
The 20 mph difference in average pace from pro level tennis strokes to amateur level is huge when you experience it first hand.
5) would be the key for me - my serve sucks so bad I think he would be stunned.
I know this may seem like a stupid question, but that difference in pace, where does that come from? Are pros like Federer, Nadal, etc. that much stronger (as in muscles, etc.) than a good club player?
Also, comparing betweens pros, what is the difference between a guy stuck in Futures and Challengers, pros who make it to the Top 100, Top 20, Top 5 (wins a major)? For example, if you didn't know how pro players were ranked and somebody stuck you on Ashe Stadium watching a match between Federer and Nadal or two players ranked 50 and 55 and two players ranked 200 and 210, could you tell the difference? And how?
what is up with that ? D1 guys can only serve around 105-115 mph at best...
Pace doesn't come from muscles. It comes from timing and technique. Federer would be a case in point.
I actually had a dream back in 2004 or 2005 that i beat him 6-4 7-6
haha, good ideas, but a few of them still wouldnt work!
1) fed could take a bit off his first serve and never double fault, even his kick serves would be insanely hard for a club level player
2) he wouldnt be standing as far back as he does in pro matches, so he'd be able to get to them fairly easily id assume
5) is definitely the most genius idea though ahha
lol...so maybe a handful of points total? The only one of these they may work for any real amount of time would maybe be number 5...but after a game Fed would probably just figure out thats all their is and start crushing those serves. The only way the serve would be of advantage is if you could hid some kind of slow skidding serve, and even then Fed would just lay it out.
i sometimes play against this guy. he's a lot better than me so even when when i am up 40-love, i am still not confident that I could take the game from him. and you guys are talking about taking a game from the number 1 player in the world and possibly the greatest player who has ever played the game? :shock:
Natural born talent=the ability to maximize all the ingredients necessary to hit with consistent pace and spin: strength,speed,reflexes,relaxation,hand eye coordination,feel,focus,instinct.
Strength is just one component, and is probably the easiest to improve for most people, but without a high level of the other necessary traits it is not of great use,strength alone will not give someone consistent pro level pace, too many other variables involved.
Yes, one can tell the difference.
Watching futures and challenger level, the majority do not have the consistent pace on strokes or serve as top 100 pro's, not a lot of weapons.
Once you get into the top 100, these players all hit consistently with excellent pace on groundstrokes and serve,and generally have a major weapon to build their game around, big serve, big forehand, some type of weapon.
Top 50 to top 10, the difference is more mental than physical. Not many weaknesses, most have numerous weapons they can hurt you with.
Top ten - these players have no real weakness, every stroke can be used as a weapon consistently. Make one small mistake against these guys and the point is most likely over.
Put in any handicaps you want for Federer: 40-love, or love-40 deficit in every game, one serve only, you get the doubles alleys. Even with all these combined, any player below 5.0 level will get bageled quite easily.
i used to play with this former junior national player. he is quite tall. he stands right on the baseline and crushes the ball off both wings. i see the balls and they are spinning crazy deformed egg like even on ground strokes.
he always bageled me. couple of times i was 40-0 up on my own service games and i still lost those games.
but people adapt a bit. last time around i took two games and was up 40-15 couple of times on his service game. made him move a little up and down. serve and volleyed a lot. i kind of played a game rather than simply trade heavy ground strokes from the baseline.
the thing is tennis is a game, it is not a collection of strokes. What is formidable about Fed is not his strokes. it his game. the way he reads it and the way he quickly figures out a guy. there are blokes probably with better strokes but very very few with the tennis brain he has. that is why i think he will double or triple bagle me.
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