Young not concerned despit losing record

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Young not concerned despite winless recordBy Bonnie DeSimone
Special to ESPN.com


KEY BISCAYNE, Fla. -- It was the most thorough drubbing of his short pro career, a 6-0, 6-0 whitewashing in the first round of the Nasdaq-100 Open that took just under 49 minutes Thursday, and kept world junior champion Donald Young Jr. winless on the ATP Tour after nine tries.


An optimist would look at every loss as a learning experience, but at what point will Young stop soaking up knowledge and start feeling like a punching bag?


Not yet, not nearly, according to the 16-year-old. He and his parents said he won't alter his strategy of taking occasional wild cards in big tournaments while continuing to play in lower-level pro events and the junior Grand Slams.



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American teenager Donald Young failed to win a game in his first-round loss to previously winless Carlos Berlocq.
"I can always go back to juniors and win tournaments and beat people as bad as I was beat today," said Young, who grew up in Chicago but now lives in Atlanta. "I really do think I'm learning something from each match. I play differently every time."


Young, a lefty, said his backhand was affected by a sore right wrist that still hurts after a ball-hopper cart fell on it earlier this month. But nothing worked for him Thursday against 23-year-old Carlos Berlocq of Argentina, as Young made 34 unforced errors to Berlocq's 13 and won only 20 of 72 points.


"At least I didn't give up," he said.


Berlocq turned down interview requests after the match. The win was his first against seven losses in ATP events, although he was ranked 81st coming into the Nasdaq-100 because of strong results on the Challenger circuit.


Although Berlocq's appraisal of Young remained a mystery, No. 9 James Blake, who will play Berlocq in the second round, weighed in with his assessment.


"He's got some learning to do at the Futures and Challengers level, and then he can get back up here and maybe have some success," Blake said. "But I think right now he's not quite ready for it. Most 16-year-olds aren't. It's very, very rare that a kid of that age is ready to compete at this level. [Rafael] Nadal was, probably; [Lleyton] Hewitt was."


Blake, who attended and played for Harvard for two years before turning pro, said he hit with Young once but has never had a heart-to-heart with him.


"He seems to have a few people around him at all times," Blake said. "It's tough to break through that."


He said he hopes Young doesn't let lopsided losses affect him as he works on his game in lower-profile settings.


"It's a really good thing to figure out that you've earned something and to have done it the right way," Blake said. "You don't feel like you owe anyone anything. You don't feel like you're not sure if you belong, you know you belong there."


Andy Roddick made similar comments at Indian Wells not long ago. Young said he gets tired of all the opining.


"No one else has ever been in my position," he said. "We're going at it our way, and it's going pretty well, except in the ATP matches. … I don't think they were as good as me when they were 16, so I don't think they even had the decisions to make."


His parents, Donald Sr. and Illona, contend they are keeping their son's competitive life in balance.


"He's always been playing a level above [his age] and this is no different," his father said. "I don't think there's anyone out there that wouldn't take these opportunities if they were offered."


The choice to have Young play in ATP events means the spotlight will inevitably shift to him, highlighting the losses other low-ranked players labor through in obscurity. But Young Sr. said that attention is misdirected.


"Let's judge him at 16, 17, 18. Let's not judge him in the interim," he said.


Added Illona Young, "He appreciates [other players] looking out for his best interests, but the bottom line is that they can't relate to where he is because they've never been there."


And if he became demoralized, "We'd step back," she said.


Young's agent, IMG's Gary Swain, whose only other individual client is John McEnroe, said the ATP events account for about a quarter of Young's competitions.


"We're monitoring him and being flexible with his schedule," Swain said.


Young played in seven ATP events last year and has entered two thus far in 2006. He has played five Futures tournaments this season, reaching the quarterfinals in two and the semis in one, and one Challenger.


He is the youngest player to finish as junior world No. 1, doing it last year when he also became the youngest junior Slam winner at the Australian Open.


Young will earn another distinction next month when he plays Pete Sampras in an exhibition match on clay before the River Oaks International tournament in Houston -- Sampras' first on-court appearance since his retirement.


Freelance writer Bonnie DeSimone is a frequent contributor to ESPN.com.
 
I think their are postives to the situation as their are negatives. I don't feel the need to assess them until he is 18 1/2 years old. If he's doing the same at that point, then tennis might not be the solution for him.
 
"No one else has ever been in my position," he said. "We're going at it our way, and it's going pretty well, except in the ATP matches. … I don't think they were as good as me when they were 16, so I don't think they even had the decisions to make."

Wha?? All of these pros were prodigies. Hewitt at 16 could probably destroy Young. These guys have made it big and are giving him advice, he should take it.
 
He should be concerned. Nadal and Gasquet had ATP opportunities at age 15 and 16, but they had to come through qualifying draws. And they were already proving themselves on the challenger circuit. I know fans in the US want to see the "next big thing" while he is still young, but this is getting a bit embarassing.

Maybe the USTA should consider giving him wildcards in the qualifying draw rather than the main draw. If he can come through that, he would have earned his way into the draw.
 
Donald seemed like a smart @ss, pampered brat in the interview.

"No one else has ever been in my position," he said. "We're going at it our way, and it's going pretty well, except in the ATP matches. … I don't think they were as good as me when they were 16, so I don't think they even had the decisions to make."

He is in no place to make a comment like that.
 
Blake's description of him always being closed off by a group of people sounds bad. If he can't even make time to talk with James Blake, he's got problems. And I'm sure it's just because he's being pressured too much.
 
I am starting to think there is too much hype on this kid.Right now he is listed at 5'9, he will need to grow some more.Eventually he will get better but i dont see him being one of the best ever.He will be a good player not great.
 
hE'S TALKING ABOUT BLAKE AND RODDICK. I HAVE TO AGREE,THEY WE'RE NOT AS GOOD AT 16, BUT THEY ARE WWWWAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY BETTER NOW, SO MAYBE THE SAME WILL HAPPEN FOR HIM.
 
Bones08 said:
hE'S TALKING ABOUT BLAKE AND RODDICK. I HAVE TO AGREE,THEY WE'RE NOT AS GOOD AT 16, BUT THEY ARE WWWWAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY BETTER NOW, SO MAYBE THE SAME WILL HAPPEN FOR HIM.

But that's the key. By the time we started hearing about Blake and Roddick they were actually doing something, and winning ATP matches. We didn't hear about how great they would be years before they started doing something.

With Donald, we will be sick of hearing about how great he is going to be before he actually wins something, and once he wins something, we'll be thinking he should be doing much better than that given all the hype.

I'm not sure his team, or the USTA, are doing him any great favors.
 
Bones08 said:
hE'S TALKING ABOUT BLAKE AND RODDICK. I HAVE TO AGREE,THEY WE'RE NOT AS GOOD AT 16, BUT THEY ARE WWWWAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY BETTER NOW, SO MAYBE THE SAME WILL HAPPEN FOR HIM.
no he was not talking about them, he said "No one else has ever been in my position", what position is that? receving 20 WC's between challengers and ATP and never winning a match?
He is hardly winning at future level how the hell will he win at the atp level.

And his comment just shows how ignorant and stupid the kid is, he is a cocky sob. For no reason, he has accomplished 0 in the pro game at any level, when many other players where winning on the atp level at 16.
 
Bones08 said:
hE'S TALKING ABOUT BLAKE AND RODDICK. I HAVE TO AGREE,THEY WE'RE NOT AS GOOD AT 16, BUT THEY ARE WWWWAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY BETTER NOW, SO MAYBE THE SAME WILL HAPPEN FOR HIM.

stop shouting
 
i don't think he's cocky at all, if he doesn't feel strongly about his self/situation then he won't make it in the game now days.
 
I was shocked at how cocky he sounded initially, but I think that really he is deep down getting very frustrated but is ashamed to show it. He is just a kid, 16 years old, he's embarassed that he keeps losing with all the attention. He probably thinks it will look like he's giving up if he stops accepting WCs.

All that being said, he is going about the situation the wrong way. Obviously he's not as good at his age as Hewitt/Gasquet/Nadal - they didn't need to bother with juniors at his age from what I know. I don't think he really means that comment about he's better at his age than all these people giving him advice. He definitely needs to build his way up through the minors, and take a WC into main event qualies every once in awhile. Blocking out advice from others is the wrong way to go as well, he needs to start listening to a select few that he knows have experience in his type of situation and have his best tennis interests in mind.
 
el_profe said:
no he was not talking about them, he said "No one else has ever been in my position", what position is that? receving 20 WC's between challengers and ATP and never winning a match?
He is hardly winning at future level how the hell will he win at the atp level.

And his comment just shows how ignorant and stupid the kid is, he is a cocky sob. For no reason, he has accomplished 0 in the pro game at any level, when many other players where winning on the atp level at 16.

I don't know if he is cocky, but ignorant yes. There have been many pros his age that have won ATP matches and titles so I obviously he has no clue about very recent tennis history including current players.
 
prince said:
he can always go to the club and beat up on guys there .....
I can go to the junior high and beat kids there 6-0 too but nobody will pay me for that so DY better start winning at the pro level because beating up on juniors won't bring him a good paycheck.
 
Bones08 said:
i don't think he's cocky at all, if he doesn't feel strongly about his self/situation then he won't make it in the game now days.

Bones, what's the deal artificially inflating this nothing on this board? Every time The Donald so much as farts, you and a few others feel a need to post. Are his parents PAYING you to do this...they can't get the kid to win, but they CAN hype him. Talented juniors are a dime a dozen. Most of them never find success in the pros. At this point, and until he can even win A SET in a pro match, DY is no different. He's taking away wild cards from more deserving players WHO HAVE PAID THEIR DUES. Let him play qualies.

Let me tell you something else about Donald Young...it's a secret...come closer...


closer...


closer...



Just a little bit farther down now...


almost...






STFU ALREADY ABOUT THIS NOBODY!!!! YOU HEAR ME, IDIOT????!!!! If he wins more than three pro GAMES, THEN you can have your parade down 5th Ave. But until then, S...T...F...U!!!!!
 
Phil said:
Bones, what's the deal artificially inflating this nothing on this board? Every time The Donald so much as farts, you and a few others feel a need to post. Are his parents PAYING you to do this...they can't get the kid to win, but they CAN hype him. Talented juniors are a dime a dozen. Most of them never find success in the pros. At this point, and until he can even win A SET in a pro match, DY is no different. He's taking away wild cards from more deserving players WHO HAVE PAID THEIR DUES. Let him play qualies.

Let me tell you something else about Donald Young...it's a secret...come closer...


closer...


closer...



Just a little bit farther down now...


almost...






STFU ALREADY ABOUT THIS NOBODY!!!! YOU HEAR ME, IDIOT????!!!! If he wins more than three pro GAMES, THEN you can have your parade down 5th Ave. But until then, S...T...F...U!!!!!

I'm glad this is a board, because in person you wouldn't live with talking to me like that, but so that i don't get banned i won't mess with you phil!

Like I said, keep doing you Donald. You are 16 years old, and you already have a dumb person on a board sounding like an idiot over you, making post talking about closer and closer (lol).
 
Bones08 said:
I'm glad this is a board, because in person you wouldn't live with talking to me like that, but so that i don't get banned i won't mess with you phil!

Like I said, keep doing you Donald. You are 16 years old, and you already have a dumb person on a board sounding like an idiot over you, making post talking about closer and closer (lol).

I wouldn't "LIVE"...you mean you'd actually KILL me over a comment about an unknown tennis player-a junior no body? Well, although I doubt you would, that certainly says something about you. That's the Internet for you...lots of real "killers".

Are Young's parents paying you? What is your agenda here. I've never known the board to be inundated with posts about some junior nobody of a player. So, tell me, what's your agenda?
 
i'm not a killer, but for you to come at someone you don't know like that is a little crazy, but it's ok. i'm still living, but from some of your post on other threads, you are a very weird man/character.
 
Bones08 said:
i'm not a killer, but for you to come at someone you don't know like that is a little crazy, but it's ok. i'm still living, but from some of your post on other threads, you are a very weird man/character.

Call me whatever you want, but I'm just having fun, and doing it while not threatening to kill someone over the Internet. And, I'm a bit fed up with Young posts. My guess is that most people who flex and threaten over the Internet are, in real life, ball-less wonders. Is that an accurate description of you, Bones?

So, again, what's your REAL agenda?
 
Well most of you, if you have read some of my other posts I know Donald personally. Hes a cool guy, though still has the teenager in him as we all can see but from being around him and getting the chance to hit with him a few times his game is def. building and he will be winning pretty soon. He really isnt worried as he says in his interview, his time will come and his parents know that too, hes young.
 
The best advice for him is to just keep training, keep it all under wraps, don't let everyone know what you're doing every second. There's absolutely no reason to be playing with the men when you're not fully ready. You don't learn anything from that except how bad you suck. First build yourself up into a man, build your game up as well as you can in the next year or two, then go out and play matches and learn how it's done. There's nothing special about him compared to a 16 year old Andre Agassi. No reason to be taking a different path.
 
JonWood said:
He really isnt worried as he says in his interview, his time will come and his parents know that too, hes young.
Well, they are going to have to stop using age as an excuse in a little more than a year. You are running out of time, Donald!
 
tykrum said:
I was shocked at how cocky he sounded initially, but I think that really he is deep down getting very frustrated but is ashamed to show it. He is just a kid, 16 years old, he's embarassed that he keeps losing with all the attention. He probably thinks it will look like he's giving up if he stops accepting WCs.

All that being said, he is going about the situation the wrong way. Obviously he's not as good at his age as Hewitt/Gasquet/Nadal - they didn't need to bother with juniors at his age from what I know. I don't think he really means that comment about he's better at his age than all these people giving him advice. He definitely needs to build his way up through the minors, and take a WC into main event qualies every once in awhile. Blocking out advice from others is the wrong way to go as well, he needs to start listening to a select few that he knows have experience in his type of situation and have his best tennis interests in mind.

Yeah tyhrum, I think you have got it right. I think Young is adopting a protective/defensive mechanism as a barrier against the naysayers. I would also add that being a black person probably makes him and his family a bit more protective, entering a white dominated sport, they probably feel they are under siege. The Williams sister went through a similar thing, and to some degree are still going through it today. Muhammad Ali was the master of this posturing, and I love him for it. I think America's desperation to be at the forefront of things gets Young more attention than he probably wants, and probably only in the States. In the rest of the world he is virtually unknown. In Europe, no one has heard of him.

It is unfair and not very realistic to compare him to Gasquet, Nadal and Hewitt at the same age. These guys were ridiculously advanced at a very young age, really at the height of prodigious talent. I mean, Hewitt won his first ATP tournament at 16, in Adelaide, beating Agassi in the semi-final. This is not normal. Even Federer was still struggling in the juniors at 15/16. I have not seen him play, but based on his junior record so far, Young has achieved more than Sampras and Federer did at the same age, so you can choose who you want to compare him to. I think you can only really start judging where he might go based on his progress at around 18/19. I mean, John Mcenroe beat Andy Murray 6-1 in competition when Murray was the newly crowned junior US Open champion. He would'nt beat him know at 18. People develop at different rates. Did no one learn the fable about the hare and the tortoise. It's who has got the most trophies at the end that counts.

Potential is crucial here and I hear that Young has very good hands, Rios like. This, for me, is really where talent resides. Maradona and Jordan's ball handling skills. Federer's touch and ability to improvise shots. You cannot teach this. From what I have heard, Young's main problem seems to be that he is still a kid and has not developed physically to the point where he can compete with men. It does not appear to be a talent issue, but more a physical development issue. He is 16, give him time, he will definitely grow and get stronger, but I think some people are jumping the gun here. He could have a late growth spurt like Jordan. Time will tell all.

Gaspard
 
Aaron Krickstein was 16 when he turned pro and by the next year he was winning titles and reached the final of the Italian Open. Granted it was a different era and less scrutiny, but he's the closest I can think of to Donald Young's situation.

Didn't Agassi turn pro at 16 too?

Young's comments do come off poorly but I think it's a mix of youthful arrogance and frustration, so I think most of us are willing to cut him some slack.

But I think the time has come, given that he hasn't won a set much less a match, to stop giving him wildcards period. Make him earn his way into the big events. In the end it'll be better for him. He'll build up his confidence and have exprience under his belt.

On a side note, I saw him play at the USO this year and wasn't impressed. But I hope he gets better and doesn't get so discouraged that his career will never really take off.
 
Even though he double bageled me at a junior national tourney, I really don't see why he has gotten all this hype. I think he needs to somehow take a step back from thinking he's too good attitude on the court to having that "cool" and calm mental attitude that most of the greats have because he's a kind of a crazy nut on the tennis court.
 
Bones, although I hate to admit it, I think Phil may be right that it's a bit early to make too many projections about Young Donald right now.

But Phil was the same with me a few years ago, about a 16-year-old Spaniard.

I took a lot of beatings for my belief in the kid, and my discussions about that belief, but he's now No. 2 in the world. And some people are still wiping egg off their faces, I'm sure.

But in the end that doesn't matter. It's nice to support someone you think is going to be great. And Donald may get there as well. ;-)

But a few less wildcards may be in order.
 
To all of the people saying there were others who accomplished more than DY at this age, and then go on to mention Hewitt, Nadal, Gasquet, Agassi. Think about it for a sec, you're talking about guys who went on to be #1 in the world for two of them, #2 for another, and another who's # 12 in the world right now. So, of all the people who have played pro tennis, there are at least 4 who have accomplished more at his age, that speaks to his achievements so far.
 
Well, he is too young...

I saw Young played at a challenger in Tampa 2 months ago. He lost early. I was not impressed with his game and attitude. He is lacking in height unless he is able to grow 3-4 inches in the next 2 years. I don't understand about the hype with Young.

I also saw Scoville Jenkins. I prefer his game and atttude. I think Jenkins will turn into a good pro player.
 
VamosRafa said:
He should be concerned. Nadal and Gasquet had ATP opportunities at age 15 and 16, but they had to come through qualifying draws. And they were already proving themselves on the challenger circuit. I know fans in the US want to see the "next big thing" while he is still young, but this is getting a bit embarassing.

Maybe the USTA should consider giving him wildcards in the qualifying draw rather than the main draw. If he can come through that, he would have earned his way into the draw.

yes i agree... all these WC are kinda "poisonned gift" for the poor donald.
WC for qualifying draw would be more adapted and better for him...
 
vive le beau jeu ! said:
yes i agree... all these WC are kinda "poisonned gift" for the poor donald.
WC for qualifying draw would be more adapted and better for him...
It's something said over and over again, but his parents don't agree! :rolleyes:
If they still think he should WASTE his time at the pro tour, getting beaten and bagled in every match, I'll start to pitty him. Many talents have ben ruined by their parents - I just hope he won't be one of them.
As someone said above, I live in europe and I wouldn't have heard of this guy, if I weren't regular on some tennis boards. No average tennis fan knows him here in europe. If you want to compare him with Nadal, Hewit or even Gasquet, all of them were well known around the world at 15/16 already. I won't buy his hype in the US unless I see some decent results from him.
 
superman1 said:
"No one else has ever been in my position," he said. "We're going at it our way, and it's going pretty well, except in the ATP matches. … I don't think they were as good as me when they were 16, so I don't think they even had the decisions to make."

Wha?? All of these pros were prodigies. Hewitt at 16 could probably destroy Young. These guys have made it big and are giving him advice, he should take it.

The same paragraph strike me. He thinks he is better than he actually is. He hasn't even won a challenger or future event yet.
 
Bones08 said:
i don't think he's cocky at all, if he doesn't feel strongly about his self/situation then he won't make it in the game now days.

If he feels his situation correctly, then good to him. It doesn't seem he does though. Think he is better than he actually is won't do him any good.
 
Maybe he should just look to play college tennis and plan on getting a real career....I know that sounds harsh, but let's face it. He is no where near as good as Roddick/Nadal at age 16, yet he says they were "Not as good as he is at 16"....I want Donald to do well, but I don't think he'll ever be a tennis great. I don't understand why people are hyping him so much. Yes he has done remarkably well in the juniors, but what I'm trying to say is why aren't people looking more a American players like Scoville Jenkins? Scoville at least has won a couple of ATP matches. Not to mention, he pushed Nadal at the Open in 3 tight sets.....

I don't know, I guess it has something to do with you know the stereotype story of teenaged athlete with plans on hitting the big time. Let's face it. He is no where near the caliber of the top 100 men on the tour. I just read an article of some players ranked in the 90-120 range on the tour. Most people think the life of ALL tennis professionals is glamourous....that is wrong by a landslide! I'll have to find that article. It had interviews with Jamea Jackson (90th on the WTA) and Ashley Harkleroad (75 WTA) and ATP players ranked just outside of the top 100. They basically said that you take a big risk by playing in tournaments....that you actually can go into the negative dollars if you lose in the first round of a tournament....when coaching,racquet, stringing.....all the expenses come to play....

In fact Ashley Harkleroad said jokingly that the reason she came back was "to help pay some bills." Because her husband, Alex B. is also a struggling journeyman just outside the top 100!!

Maybe Donald should plan on playing D1 college tennis.....that way he can build an academic career and get some match experience....if he improves...he could always go back to the pros...
 
gaspard said:
From what I have heard, Young's main problem seems to be that he is still a kid and has not developed physically to the point where he can compete with men. It does not appear to be a talent issue, but more a physical development issue. He is 16, give him time, he will definitely grow and get stronger, but I think some people are jumping the gun here. He could have a late growth spurt like Jordan. Time will tell all.

Gaspard

That's the point everyone is trying to make. He is not developed enough physically, why put him into a position to suffer the beating?
 
Rob_C said:
To all of the people saying there were others who accomplished more than DY at this age, and then go on to mention Hewitt, Nadal, Gasquet, Agassi. Think about it for a sec, you're talking about guys who went on to be #1 in the world for two of them, #2 for another, and another who's # 12 in the world right now. So, of all the people who have played pro tennis, there are at least 4 who have accomplished more at his age, that speaks to his achievements so far.

There are a lot more people who achieved more at 16 on ATP than DY. Chang, Kristein, etc. That's not the point. DY said no one achieved more than he did at 16 which is pretty stupid to say or you just live in a bubble because these players are from recent era, not from 50s 60s.
 
The tennis guy said:
There are a lot more people who achieved more at 16 on ATP than DY. Chang, Kristein, etc. That's not the point. DY said no one achieved more than he did at 16 which is pretty stupid to say or you just live in a bubble because these players are from recent era, not from 50s 60s.

There aren't alot who have achieved more on the ATP tour than DY at 16. There's Agassi, Chang, Nadal, Hewiit, Krickstein, probably Becker, maybe a few others. Considering the number of people who have played pro tennis, thats not alot.

Also, it'd be nice if some of you people were more informed. DY can't play college tennis. He's a pro so he has no college eligibility. He has endorsement contracts, has accepted prize money. For him to regain his eligibility he would have to repay all of that money, then petition the NCAA to reinstate him. The reason "they" went pro is b/c the expenses were becoming unaffordable and its the only way they felt they could continue, according to them.

Also, DY's doing fine at the futures level, someone mentioned his results weren't that impressive. U guys are underestimating the competition at the futures level. Sco Jenkins, who some of you think is more deserving than DY, and who pushed Nadal at the US Open last year, lost 2nd rd at one of those futures listed in an above msg.

Also, Chris Guccione is 2-0 against JC Ferrero, one of those wins came while he was still at the futures level.
 
There aren't alot who have achieved more on the ATP tour than DY at 16. There's Agassi, Chang, Nadal, Hewiit, Krickstein, probably Becker, maybe a few others. Considering the number of people who have played pro tennis, thats not alot.

You mention guys who were great players at 16/17. Young is ranked what, 600? He hasn't even won a challenger match.
Achieving more than what Young has done at 16 means winning a match at the challenger or tour level & being ranked higher than 500. I have a feeling there is a long list of players that have done that(which isn't saying much)
Sampras won a match at 16.
 
Jimmy(Yeu-Tzuoo) Wang ended 2001 ranked 402. He was 16 & improved his ranking by playing (& winning futures) Young is currently ranked 552, mainly on the basis of losing 1st round matches with his WC's(you get points for just playing in ATP events)

Somehow I doubt Jimmy Wang & Becker, Chang, etc are the only guys to be further along at 16 than Young.
 
flymeng said:
I saw Young played at a challenger in Tampa 2 months ago. He lost early. I was not impressed with his game and attitude. He is lacking in height unless he is able to grow 3-4 inches in the next 2 years. I don't understand about the hype with Young.

I also saw Scoville Jenkins. I prefer his game and atttude. I think Jenkins will turn into a good pro player.
i heard that donald young is only in the top 10 because he plays alot of tournments and sometimes with easy draws
 
J-man said:
i heard that donald young is only in the top 10 because he plays alot of tournments and sometimes with easy draws

First, I would like to nominate you for the most uniformed post.......ever.


It seems like many of you do not have an understanding of how professional tennis works.

NOBODY on the planet knows when or if Donald Young will ever be a good professional player. In the meantime, of course he will continue take wild cards into tour level events. Pros have expenses that must be paid. Even losing in the first round of Masters Series event is probably a larger pay day that winning a Futures event. A US Open first round loss is around $15k... plus expenses. Winning a Futures event pays about $1600....total.

Vince Spadea once lost twenty something matches in a row. You folks would have probably thought that he should retire, quit at that time. This happened while he was a full time touring pro. He has had a solid career.

Tournament directors will continue to give him wild cards for good reason. When we walk the grounds of the USO, or PLO, or Nasdaq, looking for a match to watch, there are tons of matches with players that nobody really wants to see. Lots of people want to see the phenom Donald Young just to see what all the buzz is about. We will want to see him again for the next fews year to see if there is any improvement in his game.

Think about it this way. There were 64 first round losers at the Nasdaq Open(men's and women's). On this board, I think, there was a thread started about only one of those losers, Donald Young, get it?

Have you ever seen a really bad commercial on TV? You think to yourself how bad it was and wind up talking to some friends about it. Good or bad, it got your attention which is the point of the commercial.

Tennis is about entertainment. Donald Young has our attention and professional tennis will continue to try to capatilize on that.
 
Bones08 said:
I'm glad this is a board, because in person you wouldn't live with talking to me like that, but so that i don't get banned i won't mess with you phil!

Like I said, keep doing you Donald. You are 16 years old, and you already have a dumb person on a board sounding like an idiot over you, making post talking about closer and closer (lol).

yeah everyone's a god damn he-man on the internet, idiot.
 
This was perhaps my 10th or 11th meeting with Donald Young and every time you sit down with this kid you come away with such a pastiche of emotions. He's a great teenager, never full of himself, never rude, never elitist. If you're a parent, as I have been for several decades, this is the kid you want to have.

So, it's a pleasure talking to him. Whether it's about his growth (he's now nearly 5-foot-11) or what it was like having been a premie (he was barely two pounds at birth and spent a week in an incubator before going home). And then there's his tennis. At 14, when he was smaller and exhibiting that wonderful range of shots and precocious understanding of the game, I had the same hopes everyone else did that he could develop into a top player.

There was always the issue of his size, but it was easy to think that he could become physically stronger. Today, however, at 16, he's slender and he doesn't have that one weapon he can rely on to seize control of matches against physically stronger ATP pros. He's a counter-puncher whose sense of the game is more refined than some players much his senior.

But there's a very serious question about his ability to make it on the ATP tour. You hope he does because he's such an astute young man. But the reality is, as you look at him today, he's not good enough to be out here no one is doing him any favors by offering him wild cards.

His father, Donald Sr., says judge him when he's 17, 18 or 19. There have been late bloomers on this tour. Todd Martin went to college because he wasn't good enough to turn pro and so did James Blake. But those two men have a physical presence Donald probably never will have.

I think Donald is going to have a career in tennis, eventually. But he's not the next great American player IMG and several naive newspaper reporters have suggested he is. He's not even close.

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_tennis/2006/03/donald_very_you.html
 
Moose Malloy said:
Jimmy(Yeu-Tzuoo) Wang ended 2001 ranked 402. He was 16 & improved his ranking by playing (& winning futures) Young is currently ranked 552, mainly on the basis of losing 1st round matches with his WC's(you get points for just playing in ATP events)

Somehow I doubt Jimmy Wang & Becker, Chang, etc are the only guys to be further along at 16 than Young.

I know you get pts for losing 1st rd in challengers and tour matches, its only 1 pt though. He's had about 11 WCs, but some of those have dropped off from last year, like Scottsdale, San Jose, etc. He has 39 pts for his current ranking, so minus 4 for those WCs still on his record and it doesnt affect his ranking that much, he'll drop maybe 50-80 spots down the rankings. I just checked and he only has 6 current pts from WC, so he earned the other 33, which would put him above Matias Boeker who's ranked 605 with 32 pts. I checked by country so I don;t know how many people have 32 or 33 pts.

I just checked Wang's record. His situation is different that DY's. Wang played 11 futures that year, plus about 4 challengers. DY has only played 8 futures total. 2 in 04, 1 in 05, and about 5 this year. I think if DY dedicated an entire year to futures and challenger play, he would be higher than Wang wound up in '01, but that's only speculation. We'll see how it goes the rest of this year. According to this year's rankings to be ranked around 400 u need around 70 pts.
 
I've seen DY hit/play a few times and he IS legit, but again is waaay too young to be playing on the main tour. I know others before him have had success at this age, but he just physically isn't ready. When he puts on some size and developes a large serve and bigger lefty-forhand, he'll be able to use his all-court game a lot more effectively at the highest level.
He's got a long wat to go, but has plenty of time.
 
16 yrs old, agent, entourage, parents who believe the hype and a kid with, apparently, not much perspective on history of the game or those who have gone before. Not many good signs for the kid in there.

First, obviously many, many players have been where he is. The ones we've heard about are the ones who made it, Chang, Becker, Agassi et al. There are scores, however, who went pro at DY's age and had more initial success, only to fail in the long run.

Second, making it on tour is a matter of getting from point a to b, physical maturity notwithstanding, age is irrelevant. DY should be listening to anyone who has climbed the ladder. He doesn't have to take their advise, but to dismiss them out of hand is foolish.

If I were a betting man, I would bet against this kid ever living up to the hype.
 
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