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  1. Nadalgaenger

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    Haha well Grigor was my pick there. He didn't play horribly there but Sock just got hot at the right time.
     
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    Give the field more credit. You will definitely see some young talent break through. Kyrgios, Zverev, Thiem, and Goffin are all ready, as is Dimitrov (who is less young). I guarantee we will have an interesting and unpredictable year ahead.
     
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    Is Wawrinka a threat at all to Fed or is he the new Roddick?
     
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    1 match pre injury: 6-1 6-4 Fed

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    What will be the excuserer line if its 3 in a row?;)
     
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    Yes, or Wawrinka or Cilic.
     
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    What will the excuse theme be the if Thiem gets deeply humbled just like the only other time he played a match-fit Fed — that's the better question.
     
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    Along the way to Miami he needs to make a pit-stop in OZ and ask the wizard for a new backhand.
     
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    roddick was more of a threat to late-prime Fed than wawrinka is right now. Besides clay it's tough to see Stan beating this Fed unless Roger has a real off day.
     
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    Fed has never lost on HC or grass to Stan!
     
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    Just a very short while back, last week that is, Fed said in his interview about the schedule for this year, where he mentioned that when he enters a tournament it's because he can and he will give his best efforts as a player and not because he wants to satisfy the people and stick to hi commitment for the sake of it(not exact words but very close to this lines).

    He had lesser expectation on himself which is why he didn't plan far ahead after Miami. But now that he's exceeded his own expectations way sooner that doesn't mean he'll tank or take it easy in Miami. He'll go as usual and hardly won't get beaten. I can see an easy win here.

    However what he could definitely do to keep himself from exhaustion is skip few clay tourneys and go for one masters and FO. That should be more than enough at this point.
     
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    Miami is not IW and not the AO. Conditions are much heavier and don't suit his attacking game. Fed has just two victories here, the first of which coming from two sets down against Rafa.
    It is not 2006, folks. Fed's run has amazed us all but he's not going to dominate the tour. Nor should he really try to. He needs to rest his body and be as sharp as possible heading into Wimbledon.
     
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    With Novak and Murray out, this is really a good opportunity for the young warriors and lost generation to win an ATP Masters. I am sorry but the ATP needs new champions, especially young ones who are going to be the future of the sport.
     
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    True and keep in mind that luck has been behind Federer the last two tournaments he won. He had 3 days rest at AO and a couple days rest at IW. Miami is a medium speed surface, so Federer will try to get easy points if he can't attack.
     
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    I'm not denying your point. Agree we shouldn't expect him to win everything and he shouldn't do that. But what I'd like to repeat is, as per Roger himself, is that he's not going to take it easy, save energy and get it out of his plate asap after committing to a tourney. He's a pro and he's got that ethic to give his best when on court. If he wants to save energy and give lesser than best effort, he'd rather quit before the tournament starts. You won't see him go the Kyrgios way, throwing up the match or like that to save energy. Considering that notion, even if he's not the prime Fed, he' still good enough to win the tourney. Ref- again - I'm not saying he should go for the win, but he is good enough to get it without much hassle.

    If any thought of rest creeps his mind, he will I think drop some from the clay swing, rather than doing injustice in giving his effort as a player to an already committed event.
     
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  19. MasturB

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    I'm interested to see how Fedr does at Miami with his new serve and comfortable backhand. The last time he played here he beat Nishi but pulled out after winning. He also was only in month 2 of the new racquet and Fedberg. He was serving and volleying a lot then, but I think his serve is better now than it was then so he should get some easy holds. So I'll be interested to see how effective his 1-2 tennis is in Miami like it was at Indian Wells.
     
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    If the champion is not Fed,I prefer Dimitrov.
     
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    Fedr's had roughly the same schedule for while.

    He hasn't played Canada since 2014.
    Other than 2015 where he played all Clay Masters plus Instanbul (probably got a nice fee to come for the inaugural event there plus he got to visit Instanbul) he has not played all 3 clay masters in a while. He's played Shanghai-Basel-Bercy-WTF mainly. The last time I think he played another event in indoor was Sweden Open where he beat Mayer in the Final. The last time he played another hardcourt tourney before Indian Wells besides Dubai was Rotterdam when he last won it in 2012. At that time I think Mirka scheduled him to make a push for #1 which eventually lead to him taking #1 for a few weeks after he won Wimby.

    I don't think Montreal (Rogers Cup) is on his schedule again this year unless he really needs points but even then he's already said he doesn't care about the points (maybe putting less pressure on himself).

    There were years he didn't play Miami + one clay Master. I think he's sacrificing a clay master or two and going with Miami for points.
     
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    He really went all out in 14/15. Such a shame he couldn't convert one of those clay finals for a missing trophy, or that 8th Wimbledon :(.

    Hopefully he can make up for it this year. He should play MC to test how he's playing on clay. Then a nice break ready to assault Rome, RG, Stuttgart, Halle then Wimbledon.

    If MC goes badly then skip Rome, go all out attack at RG and hopefully fluke a QF/SF if he gets a kind draw.
     
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  25. MasturB

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    I think if he wins Miami he skips MC and Madrid. Or he likely plays Madrid and skips Rome to rest for RG.

    Ideally I think he should just play MIA, MC, ROMA, RG. A month between MC and Rome. Although Miami to Monte Carlo is closer. 2015 Rome Final I felt he could take Nole... sigh. 2014 he was winning against Wawa!!! He's won Madrid on blue and red clay so I dont' care if he wins that anymore. But I do wish he'd win Rome and MC even if it meant not winning RG.

    I love his chances at RG though. He had good form and should've beaten Gulbis, and also had good form heading into the Wawa match it's just Wawa was on fire and we all see how that one turned out. The dream is Federer on top half with Murray and Wawa on bottom half with Nole and Wawa. Nole draws Nadal in quarters and whomever is tired from that plays Stan in Semis.
     
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    I wouldn't be too unhappy if Thiem wins.
     
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    Federer is extra careful to not get injured, at that age it happens quickly and body doesn't heal that fast anymore. He has to take more precausions. He cannot make a months ahead plan for what to do, but make decision after tournament.
     
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    Couldn't agree more. ATP even started this nextgen thing because of it. Time will tell which young player that will be the next big thing. Thiem, Nick or maybe Dimi? Novak and Murray never drew as much viewers as Rafa and Roger. Its been so many years now since tennis has had players like that. Thiem and Nick I believe could become big like Rafa and Fed even though they will maybe not win 10+ slams. Maybe Alex Z. I have been ambivalent to the big 4 for a couple of years already and are more than ready "to know" younger players. That Federer is supposedly the hottest contender on tour now its a tragedy for tennis (maybe not his fans, but it says a lot about the standard of competition at the moment)
     
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    Could be. He & Stan's match was a lot of fun to watch, and could have gone his way. I wonder how he is in the heat? I've playing in FLA, outdoors in spring, and it's BRUTAL. All outdoor tourneys in FLA should be on clay, to neutralize some of the heat "blow back".
     
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    A lot of this stuff is truly delusional. My guess - but what do I know - is Fed would like to win an 8th Wimbledon. I doubt if he's too fussed about Miami and it hasn't been a specially good tournament for him, he did win the double twice, but over 10 years ago.

    Also delusional is this idea that somehow because two overrated players are parked on the sidelines this is somehow an awful year for tennis. I'd rather watch Grigor, Thiem or a dozen others than Nole or Murray any day. Yes, Nole brought robotic accuracy to a mind boggling pitch, but it wasn't great to watch and it wasn't very creative; Murray's a very clever player but a bit tiresome. What is people's problem with having a more open tennis year? Why don't we rejoice that there are lots of great talents, and many of them are on an upward trajectory and will go further. That's more exciting than watching another dismal Murray/Djokovic monotony of defence.
     
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    Its all part of the delusional fan psychology. They generally only watch one player. If said player's main rivals are not there they must then berate the field to prove the superiority of said player. They don't even watch the rest of the tour.:rolleyes:
     
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    +1, good analysis.
     
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    Without dropping serve, no? ;)

     
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    Watch Fed actually win Miami, and then 60's weed will have no jinx prowess whatsoever.
     
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    Well with the scheduling for IW/Miami, you get byes and then days off between some early matches, plus he got the Kyrgios walkover, so it's not like he played a lot of tennis in Indian Wells. In fact, he spent hours less time on the court than Staninmal did, and he didn't play doubles there either, when a bunch of the other top singles guys did.
     
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    Wonder what the "F" stands for. ;)
     
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    Yes. Play Miami, Rome and RG. Then go all out assault in the grass season: Stuttgart, Halle and Wimbledon.
     
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    Is he playing Stuttgart again this year? :eek:
     
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    I don't know. But why shouldn't he? Grass is life.
     
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    He only added it last year due to probably lack of match practice. This year he has already played more than that lol. Is it in his schedule?
     
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    I am so glad you are one of the few staying close to the ground on understanding the state of men's tennis. Gimblestob from Tennis channel says "men's tennis is in a golden age". We are not in an golden age,we are in a sad state of men's tennis. The fact that we no longer have tennis fans but extreme cult holding on the Federer and making it harder for others to do well and develop. A We are both tennis fans, and that is the difference we want to see the players succeed period instead of a certain few. The young generation is very vibrant, refreshing and not afraid of the already established talent. In my opinion Kyrgios has star quality in the making, the difference is that he will be the anti Federer, and we need that in tennis. We need arrogance, we need compelling people instead of PR drones. Tennis golden age was when we had those colorful people like Agassi, Connors, Becker etc. We need someone to challenge the tennis establishemnt. Colorful personalities and flair is good for the sport.

    Thiem will be their golden boy
    Alex Z will be the rockstar
    Frances Tiafoe will be the fighter
    Nick Kyrgios will be the bad boy.

    I am ready to see a new generation emerge and hopefully someone like Djokovic will lead the charge.
     
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  43. Your Miami Champion will be.................................

    not Novak or Andy.
     
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    I think it's going to be Federer again. :D
     
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    IMO if would be a big mistake to play Stuttgart this year. One preparation tournaent for Wimby is fully enough. He needs rest to be able to play 100%
     
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    Tsonga you heard it here first.
     
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    I don't mind actually. Grass is least taxing on the body. If Fed is 100% he'll have good chances anyway ;)
     
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    Well the draw is bigger so the few days he gets rest is just from the extra matches.

    He was however supposed to play 3 days in a row if Kyrgios hadn't withdrawn.
     
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    Fed can get Donskoy'd here too. Back to back tournaments at his age is so tough to manage. Even in his prime he used to skip some M1000.

    Moreover, Fed might have to do a lot of work here due to thw court conditions though the draw is decent. Will have to see how badly Fed wants to perform here.
     
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    Zverev. He is better than thiem in every department. Thiem would be more dangerous in indian wells than miami.
     
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