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G.O.A.T.
Disagree
This is his level
But it's really not. First, his serve was BETTER than it has been in the past, his groundies were not.
Disagree
This is his level
They build these guys are supernatural and when nole brings them to level then deny
Same thing happened in Wimbledon 2015 if you remember
And Roger was better than his 2015 final. The opponent makes you play worse.Look, I'm not even a Carlitos fan. I'm not building him up. But he's better than this.
And Roger was better than his 2015 final. The opponent makes you play worse.
Absolutely but it's become the standard lately on this site. When Djokovic beats these guys, they either didn't play well or were weak opponents. The fact is, when Djokovic gets injured in a match like he did here, he goes into ultra aggressive mode because he can't move as well. To me, that's when he is most dangerous. He completely went into the zone as we've seen him do time and time again,. even if he's 37.Yeah, I get people are disappointed he lost, but some of these comments are totally divorced from reality. Alcaraz actually played a pretty clean match – especially when you look at how he normally loses on hard courts. Frankly, this loss was light years better than his two losses at the hard court slams last year. The dominance ratio was almost even. Carlos was in the match, Djokovic just managed to win the big points, as he’s so good at doing. It was a lot like their Cincinnati final despite the very different-looking scoreline – only the level was undeniably quite a bit better here, from both guys. (Well, the end of that Cincy match was great, but the first two sets…)
I’d like to see Alcaraz get the win next time, and I feel he wasn’t terribly far off this time. If he’d broken to level it 4-4 in the fourth, he may have just worn down Djokovic in the end.
Better is pushing it.No. It's called everlasting bitterness.
I think Djokovic did as well as any other 37/38 year old. Possibly better considering everything.
Prime Kralingen poetry here.This is the match that puts the nail in the coffin of the failed Juan Carlos Ferrero coaching project. Once grand in scope, the Alcaraz-Ferrero tennis project met its terminal death two weeks ago. Outclassed in the fundamentals; unable to adjust; unable to own the baseline with a significant athletic advantage against a 38 year old man; sloppy; profligate.
We will all remember this day for one thing and one thing only: the day that the fraud Juan Carlos Ferrero’s job became untenable.
Lol plzFor what
He got crushed buddy. He played as well as he could. Just not good enough.
Absolutely but it's become the standard lately on this site. When Djokovic beats these guys, they either didn't play well or were weak opponents. The fact is, when Djokovic gets injured in a match like he did here, he goes into ultra aggressive mode because he can't move as well. To me, that's when he is most dangerous. He completely went into the zone as we've seen him do time and time again,. even if he's 37.
Alcaraz, as great as a player as he already is, doesn't counterpunch as well as Djokovic on this surface and has a hard time switching the offense from the opponent back onto their side as well as Djokovic can do. He also doesn't return as well. That's where he lost the match. In the 3rd and 4th sets, Djokovic was dictating the match and Alcaraz could not regain control.
Djokovic avg forehand shot speed was 10 kmph higher than Alcaraz. He went all out in attack and came out victorious
And he lost that set. The avg shot speed went up from set 2 onwardsNovak hit 3 winners to 10 unforced errors that first set. Please tell me how that's the good tennis?
That's right. Never ever give Djokovic any credit.It’s more like a true testament to Carlos’ immaturity
Should have lost, then lol.No. It's called everlasting bitterness.
I think Djokovic did as well as any other 37/38 year old. Possibly better considering everything.
Last two sets were pretty flawless. He just stopped missing.I’ve been watching this all lunch and man does Djoker hit a clean ball. And he walled up a LOT in set 3
Is this the same Michael8587 who is paid by a broadcaster for his insightful commentary on matches?
Hard to believe, after that great effort, he then scratched from the next round against Zverev after the 1st set breaker didn't go his way. Sign of the times that his body is no longer as reliable as it once was?
what's that?Incredible scenes
You are picturing a uninjured Djokovic winning the trophy based on thisDjokovic once again solidifying his Open Era king of tennis status. Phenomenal level in this match especially considering he was playing with an adductor tear for most of it. I will watch it again soon when I have time.
Life is too short for this
It's true we didn't achieve anything we just debate on forum's about famous tennis players who don't care about us.Life is also too short to stay perpetually bitter about a slam race that no one other than three people took part in, but we choose what we choose I guess.
Great match. This one along with 2024 Olympics final is a true testament to Djoko's greatness.
Talking about a much older/outsider beating a young ATG in the making, there are only 2 other relevant GS matches that can be mentioned alongside this one: Connors at 37 crucifying Edberg in 1989 USO and one-legged Guga (even if only 28, one-legged and very much incapable to carry on as a pro) embarrassing young Federer.
When Djokovic brings these guys down when they don't expect it or think it's possible, it has to be because the other guy was bad. Lol. There's a reason why he won 10 AOs and dominated all his rivals there.
Carlito is really a bit like young Nadal on HC, he doesn't know how to use the surface's strengths when it comes to HC. He just got some great results even there because he's such an amazing shotmaker and athlete overall.
Novak gave him a HC lesson the last 3 sets honestly, the way he returned serve, changed the direction of the ball. The gulf in class on HC was just too big despite the big advantage Alcaraz has in terms of physicality.
The big question, is will 2025 AO be Alcaraz's Medvedev Moment where Djokovic and the tour has solved him and he will no longer be able to win a slam again.
You better keep dragging all the haters mate haha.When Djokovic brings these guys down when they don't expect it or think it's possible, it has to be because the other guy was bad. Lol. There's a reason why he won 10 AOs and dominated all his rivals there.
Not sure he has the tools to capitalize on those lessons. They have very different strengths and weaknesses.It is also Djokovic on his fav court in his fav conditions. I am sure Alcaraz learned a few lessons from the master that night.
Life is also too short to stay perpetually bitter about a slam race that no one other than three people took part in, but we choose what we choose I guess.
I just think MY life is too short to re-watch tennis matches with known outcome a few weeks after it happened in real time.
You're free to watch whatever you want - and take a higher ground with your attribution game, if that peels your banana.
Yes proving life is not too short. Just full of negativity.You felt the need to post that life is too short though, right?
And the point isn't specifically at you, compared to the amount of time people spend here being bitter, its not that long. Anyways, you get my point.
Yea very much so and it's the Spanish connection once again. Out of the last 4 great Spanish players (Nadal, Alcaraz, Ferrero, Moya), they all won RG but hardcourt is not their best surface. I think Busta is the only one I can think of who probably prefers it.Carlito is really a bit like young Nadal on HC, he doesn't know how to use the surface's strengths when it comes to HC. He just got some great results even there because he's such an amazing shotmaker and athlete overall.
Novak gave him a HC lesson the last 3 sets honestly, the way he returned serve, changed the direction of the ball. The gulf in class on HC was just too big despite the big advantage Alcaraz has in terms of physicality.
Yep, and it's like rinse and repeat. Lol.If they beat him...see, this is what Djokovic was missing, ATG younger challengers.
If he beats them....meh, the guy is overrated on this surface. Big load of nothing win.
Yea very much so and it's the Spanish connection once again. Out of the last 4 great Spanish players (Nadal, Alcaraz, Ferrero, Moya), they all won RG but hardcourt is not their best surface. I think Busta is the only one I can think of who probably prefers it.
He really did and it was really something to watch him adapt to Alcaraz's ball and then switched it on. I think in the 2nd set, his forehand average speed was 86 mph. Alcaraz is great but he was playing the master of that court in this match and it showed. He still has a lot to learn.
Yes good catch and I forgot about Lopez. I probably would say grass was his best.I think Feliciano Lopez was another that preferred hard and grass over clay.
Yep, and it's like rinse and repeat. Lol.
Yes good catch and I forgot about Lopez. I probably would say grass was his best.
LOL. Yea I remember and this is exactly what happened. I never understood the idea he couldn't do it in BO5 since it was BO5 where he was hardest the beat the last few years in his 30s. The guys took him down a lot more in BO3 in big matches, like Zverev in 2021 Olympics, for example. It's so hard for some of them to just give credit.Remember the big talk about Wimbledon 2023, when we were told that this is what Djokovic was missing in his life, a younger ATG that could expose his age?
Now that same younger ATG gets beaten in the Olympics final, and we hear that Djokovic was lucky it wasn't best of five, then when does beat him in best of five in a slam, we hear....yeah, it's not big deal, Alcaraz isn't that good to begin with.
LMAO - Cannot give even a little credit.
Winning Queens in singles and doubles at 37 was pretty crazy.I agree, and I think he wanted to retire at Wimbledon, but wasn't given a wild card. So he finished his career on grass in Mallorca.
Not sure he has the tools to capitalize on those lessons. They have very different strengths and weaknesses.
LOL. Yea I remember and this is exactly what happened. I never understood the idea he couldn't do it in BO5 since it was BO5 where he was hardest the beat the last few years in his 30s. The guys took him down a lot more in BO3 in big matches, like Zverev in 2021 Olympics, for example. It's so hard for some of them to just give credit.
Winning Queens in singles and doubles at 37 was pretty crazy.
Remember the big talk about Wimbledon 2023, when we were told that this is what Djokovic was missing in his life, a younger ATG that could expose his age?
Now that same younger ATG gets beaten in the Olympics final, and we hear that Djokovic was lucky it wasn't best of five, then when does beat him in best of five in a slam, we hear....yeah, it's not big deal, Alcaraz isn't that good to begin with.
LMAO - Cannot give even a little credit.
Agreed on both counts.It's because Djokovic continues to break the narrative...so the best thing to do is just crap on his competition. Or should I say, the easiest thing to do.
Yes, Lopez GOAT'd the event.
Also funny how 2024 Wimbledon final was just down to Alcaraz zoning, while Novak's pre tourney surgery was dismissed as a part of his show and acting and whatnot.
That said I'd still favour Alcaraz at this point at Wimbledon, Novak can't do to him what he did at AO this year with the sure footing and predictable bounce that HC allows. Conditions are too different and modern grass suits Alcaraz very well where it allows his shotmaking to shine while still being slow enough to allow him time to setup his shots.
Epic that Nadal did it with a cracked ribBeating Alcaraz at Indian Wells has been difficult for players. Anywhere else on hard, not so much.
RoflAn absolute classic.