Zed Ahead of Fed

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  1. Meles

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    As noted tennis journalist @SoBad put it:
    ZVEREV FAR SUPERIOR TO FEDERER IN EVERY ASPECT OF THE GAME, EVEN DROPSHOT AND LOB.
    "Serve: Zverev more pace, spin, and variety. Forehand: Zverev more authority. Backhand: Zverev can hit 3 or more topspin backhands in a row. Volleys: Zverev more punch, touch, and feel.
    Overall, not a very flattering situation for peak player against a fresh-poking youngster."

    No doubt after Hopman Cup of the current situation:
    24/2016 RR Hopman Cup Hard Alexander Zverev Roger Federer 7-6 (7-1) 6-7 (4-7) 7-6 (7-4)
    24/2016 SF Halle Grass Alexander Zverev Roger Federer 7-6(7-4) 5-7 6-3
    18/2016 R32 Rome Masters Clay Roger Federer Alexander Zverev 6-3 7-5

    At 3-1 in tiebreakers its clear Zverev has Federer's GOAT. So what's the tally at the same age?:

    Zverev at age 19.8 years (19 and 10 months) has done the following vs. Federer:
    1. Made the top 20 at 19.5 years (Federer 19.5)
    2. Won two ATP events beating Wawrinka and Gasquet in finals (Federer 1 against ATP #76)
    3. Zverev 4-6 with wins over Fed and Wawa (Federer 8-14 with wins over Safin, Moya, and Kafelnikov)
    4. Zverev has won 51.8% of his hard court points since the beginning of the US Open. (Federer for the first part of 2001 won 52.3% on hard court points.)
    5. Slams:
    Zverev Auz 3R 5 set loss to finalist Nadal:eek:- Federer 4R straight set loss to Arnaud Clement:confused:
    Zverev US Open 2R to Evans in 4:confused: - Federer 3R loss to Juan Carlos Ferrero in 4
    Zverev Wimby 3R to Berdych in 4 - Federer 1R loss to Kafelnikov in 3
    Zverev RG 3R loss to Thiem in 4 - Federer 4R loss to Corretja in 3

    Goaterer advising baby Goat.
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    Zverev is an actual future GOAT confirmed? :eek::eek:
     
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    I think Zverev has major qualities of becoming a future GOAT, the only "Problem" that I see is that tennis continues to become more and more taxing in terms of physical strength and speed, and with his height it may put a lot of wear and tear on his body
     
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    I think his long levers, fluid free strokes and easy power will be to his advantage.
     
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    Another stupid and pointless comparison, good job.
     
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    Nice troll thread :D
     
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    At the start of last year i thought Kyrgios had more potential to succeed than Zverev, but right at this point it feels like even Tomic is more likely to win a major than Kyrgios.
     
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    :rolleyes:
    This thread is really just to log along the progress of the top NextGen prospect in a reasonable light. Zverev is the youngest ATP player in the top 20 since Djokovic. The comparison is not stupid as Zverev is right there on almost every metric. Federer had pretty amazing hard court points won at 52.3% for the early hard court season in 2001.:eek: That number to me says a lot. Nadal was at 52.5% for the early hard court season his 19th year. Djokovic was a shocking 55.0%.:eek: Murray 52.7%. Delpo was 52.2%, but only 4 matches. Zverev currently stands at 51.7%, but early hard court season is not over, so he may nudge things up a bit. Federer was 51.8% in 2001 when he turned 20 (youngest 20 year old). The rest were above or near 53.0% for 2006, 2007, and 2008 in their 20th years. Zverev by age would be the oldest of the bunch in his 20th year, so he needs to keep improving his numbers in 2017.:confused:
     
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    I love Zverev, but let's not be ridiculous here. To be one of the tier 1 ATG you have to be an exceptional mover and Zverev isn't one nor will he ever be. That's just the cold truth. The only mover I've seen at that height who was good enough to be an ATG was Safin, maybe Stich.

    I think he has the raw potential to win 4+ slams but it's going to be difficult for him to be the next tier 1 ATG. That guy is still out there somewhere.
     
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    I find this height based theory a bit difficult to understand. At the moment the great players are slightly above average height but Zverev is about 4 inches taller than them. In 50 years the average human will be about 4 inches taller than now, and if great tennis players are still slightly above average height....they'll be the same height as Zverev. Which makes it hard to see being tall as a disadvantage.
     
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    Zverev was with Nike? Wow they are massive idiots to have let him go to adidas. He's worth the sponsorship $$ of several of the American guys combined at least.
     
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    Federer was a late bloomer so makes no sense to compare his early results to anyone.
     
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    Movement is the most important part of tennis. Tall players will always have a disadvantage because there is a limit to how fast they can change direction. The current open era Tier 1, every single guy is an elite tennis athlete and mover. Fed, Nadal, Sampras, Borg, Djokovic, all of them. That's pretty much the bar for movement to be that good. Of course it is interesting to consider whether some of the movement deficiency can be overcome by pure power, and when Safin played his best he could take guys who were elite movers, like Hewitt and Federer, and make them look unsure of themselves just because he struck the ball so well and himself moved well enough for people not to take advantage. But even then Zverev is more on the Delpo/Cilic level in terms of movement rather than the Safin level.
     
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    Zverev clearly does not have the movement of the top elite players including Dimitrov. He does have reach and defensive skills. He broke Tsonga quite a bit in their match and so seems to handle big servers well enough. He was not breaking Nadal a lot in their Auz Open match, but does he really need to? I'm not sure where he'll end up, but last fall his points won on return was really impressive. Now in 2017 he's winning 86% of serve games up from 81% in 2016. That's a lot of horsepower under the hood plus Zverev is mentally very strong in tight matches. We'll see if the Zverev serve game can keep up those numbers through the rest of the Spring, but if he does that is amazingly good. 87% for career puts you in the all time top 10 since 1991. If this kid is able to get to near Roddick like numbers with a better return game he's going to be very, very effective. We were complaining about his approach game and volleying last year. That is looking better and mind you he just won a doubles title with his brother who same say is the best serve and volleyer in the game.:eek: That's a lot of positives. Sascha Zverev may turn out to be kind of a defensive version of Safin with an incredible work ethic. That sounds awfully good. If Safin moves a bit better, Zverev has advantages from being 2 inches taller (serve and reach on first return.) If Zverev isn't good enough for your tall Russian Safin 2.0, Medvedev (great defense and returns) and Bublik (Sampras like serving;)) might be more to your liking.:p
     
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    Must tall players always necessarily be at a disadvantage changing direction? Tall people are certainly at no disadvantage (and possibly an advantage) in straight line speed...see Usain Bolt. They also have greater reach, so on any given ball they require less movement than shorter players, which should in theory assist in the change of direction. Is it true for all heights: IE It's easier for someone 5"9 to turn than someone 6"0....all the way up through the height range or does it cut in at a certain point? Historically most tall tennis players have been a bit lanky and uncoordinated (by professional standards) but this strikes me as more that other tall people got poached by other sports, rather than an intrinsic disadvantage of height.
     
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    shorter players are usually better at changing direction and having a quicker first step. Bolt is usually pretty slow in the first 50M because the shorter guys have a much quicker first step and acceleration but once Bolt gets up to top speed it's good night Irene. Or in the NBA guards are better at slashing just because they can change direction much quicker. Those big guys are amazing athletes but they just can't change direction that fast.

    That's why LeBron is such a freak athlete. He moves like someone 6 inches shorter and 50 pounds lighter. I've never seen a guy that size move like that in any sport.
     
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    don't get me wrong. I really like Zverev, he's one of my favorites but I'm just saying that if people are looking for the next tier 1 ATG he's probably not it.
     
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    Who needs to hit three topspin backhands in a row when you can hit through the whole ATP tour and leave them for dead?
    Federer FLATtened them


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    You're really going to take two close losses during a season in which Federer had knee surgery and had to pull the plug after Wimby and then another close loss at an EXHIBITION after a 6 month layoff as proof that Zverev is better than Federer? Put down the peyote, playa.
     
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    Some people have A LOT of time on their hands !!!! (hint hint @Meles) ;) ;)

    HAHA !
     
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    That's just ridiculous.

    Serve has more pace, but it's still not as consistent as Fed's, accuracy is WAY worse, variety? Zverev? Come on.

    Forehand more authority? What's that supposed to mean? His forehand is okay, nothing more. Fed's is world class.
    His top spin backhand may be better, but that's it. No slice, no variety, nothing.
    Volleys? Are you freaking kidding me? Dropshots? Zverev never hits those and if he does, it's crap.

    That kid is okay (and I'm german, but still dislike him), but nothing special and his super disgusting behaviour on court will stop him from winning big titles.

    Is this just a really stupid trolling attempt or actually supposed to be true?
     
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    It's difficult to predict where a 19-20 year old player will end up, even if he's currently the youngest player in the top 20. Young athletes are usually wildly inconsistent, as no part of their game or body is fully developed. They are just as likely to pull of a worldy victory over a high ranked player, as lose the next match to a journeyman in straight sets - as is often the case.

    Zverev is a tall guy, and has probably been physically dominant over his rivals throughout his teenage years. Obviously this builds confidence and momentum.

    Now he's at the stage where he's risen through the men's rankings based largely on carrying the momentum gained in the juniors alongside his obvious technical skill. So far so good.

    However, the top 20, and the second week of slams, is where Zverev be mixing it up on a regular basis with guys who have a physical advantage over him... namely, strength, endurance and movement.

    This is evident especially in team sports, where brilliant 16-18 year old players start training with the first team and it's a complete shock to the system. Suddenly they're not the biggest boy in the class, and they're easily knocked off the ball and find it a struggle to handle themselves physically on the pitch. Confidence takes a hit, moral drops, they start doubting their own abilities and put too much pressure on themselves when they get a chance to show what they can do in a big match.

    Now, I'm not suggesting Zverev hasn't the mental strength and determination to mix it up with the very best, just that at this very moment.. we don't know for sure.

    I think the biggest test is not in winning a 250 or being ranked in X position, but how well he's able to compete in a 5 setter against the very best. He narrowly missed out against Nadal in the AO, but hopefully he will be more consistent next time around.

    Remember Murray at a similar age was let down by a lack of endurance and strength, and he was pummelled in 5 setters, even after being 2 sets up. Djokovic also had well documented physical weaknesses and couldn't handle long matches or humid conditions. Federer was a relative late bloomer in terms of when he finally entered God mode.. and maybe this was due to adjusting physically (given he's not the meatiest of men). Nadal was the only physically developed out of the 4 at such a young age, but that's genetics too.
     
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    Yes.
     
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    Hehe. Yes he did. Stated elsewhere that was a master stroke for Auz Open where flat balls get to the back wall really well. Add in the greater depth in general of the flat backhand means it gets on the opponet quicker before the ground takes away much of its velocity. Took all sorts of time from Nads.

    You are quoting @SoBad who I quoted on the three topspin backhands in a row. I found his whole OP from that thread very hilarious and have it in my signature. Despite this, I think a healthy Fed could easily win 3 of 4 slams this year. I like Fed, just not the handwringerer take on things of most of his fans.
     
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    Zed will make his dent in best of three this year. The one thing that might get him over the hump quicker than expected is serve. If he gets extremely strong on serve that will make his life a lot easier in BO5.

    If we look at hard courts Djokovic was the early bloomer in 2007 on lower bouncing Auz type courts and slower ones like Miami. Nadal was not an early bloomer on the most difficult surface for young players; hard courts. Hard courts is very, very tough with the powerful, hard serving veteran group at the top of the game. Zverev has done amazing well this year given that as a back drop.
     
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    haha. @stringertom knows @SoBad well. SoBad has flare and I love that quote (see my signature). This is just a funny/partially true attack on Federer. The killer for me is the backhand comment. The whole thing is like poetry. This was written back in June after the Halle loss. Its almost phrophetic as this point with Zverev having a nice win over Fed at Hopman Cup (nice for both as they both played so well.)

    How does Zverev compete with Fed? He has a superlative backhand and probably better defense. Like Federer he has a good first return game. Zverev hits over the ball on hi backhand and has reach. Federer's forehand is much better than Zverev's, but Zverev improving this weakness. Zverev had a horrible attacking game back in June so volley comment is just pure nonsense, but that is changing rapidly.

    Zverev is very affable off court and his super disgusting behavior is not that much different from most young players. Zverev has a whiny look on his face much of the time which seems to bug people.

    Zverev is very, very special. If his serve game keeps improving by leaps and bounds he's going to be an ATG candidate. Many widely consider his brother the best net player in the game. That is starting to work into Sascha's game. That along with his five year program physical program with Murray trainer Jez Green are all exceptionally positive signs. Time to warm up to the German GOAT (really Russian as Sobad likes to think as he is quite biased towards all Soviet block players and fondly recalls the 1990s as the wool pants era:D, meaning antiquated tennis. A very knowledgable TTW poster.)
     
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    I think the tallest player to ever be ranked #1 in the world was Safin, who is 1.93 m (6'4). Del Po is 6'6, but look at his career, which has been seriously compromised by injuries.

    I do think he has tremendous potential. But some people here are predicting ludicrous things ("he'll win 20 majors!") My thoughts are he is too tall to dominate tennis. His movement is nowhere near what it should be. It will improve, sure, but I think he will break down with injuries because of his build and his height.
     
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    ZED: You're telling me I have to drink that sh!te to become GOAT???

    FED: It's baby formula
     
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    What the heck?
    I'd rank his net game around 20 of all active singles players, not even taking doubles into account.
    Mischa just isn't a good tennis player.
     
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    What? He's ranked 33 in the world now based completely on a net rushing game and you'd have him 20th in net game.:confused: ESPN analyst Cahill stated this early in Murray match (top 3 or 4), Gilbert thought maybe the best. I believe his game has changed quite a bit and this net game approach is the only way he found he could stay on the court with Sascha in practice play. Wildly effective against Murray.
     
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    Very smart on their part getting with Jez Green. Zverev is built like a stick insect and considerably less bulky than Delpo (ATP site has Zed at 25 lbs less than Delpo). If they keep his weight under 200 lb I think he'll remain healthy. He's got pretty good flexibility on his backhand to say the least so that is a good sign. Safin is the parallel. Zverev just needs to have a passable return game and I think he's going to get the results of a healthy and dedicated Safin. His brother has had injuries, but is bulkier. Nonetheless he's finding his best tennis at age 29. Bodes well for Sascha. He sure looks like he covers the court better than a player like Roddick and his progression on serve has been surprisingly impressive in early 2017. I did not expect to see such a jump and he'll be downright scary if he keeps up at 1/10th of the pace of improvement on serve over the next few years.
     
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    Zverev needed to beat Djokovic at the AO to be comparable to 19 year old Federer.
     
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    Overrated Djokovic toooooo much.
     
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    Federer beat a 10 years older ATG at his favourite slam when he was defending champion. Sorry but Zverev ain't there yet.
     
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    can't believe no one's posted this yet...I was waiting

     
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    FED: And when you get to become GOAT like me you can just chuck it over your shoulder when you've finished with it!

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    So beating Folderer twice isn't good enough? I guess we'll have to wait for a slam encounter.:D
     
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    Wasn't in a slam, wasn't against the defending champion and the age difference is 15+ years not 10.

    :p
     
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    Heh he stopped the Slamimal's 14 final winning streak. Did Federer do anything like that ever?o_O
     
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    Hmmm and you think this is a serious metric? Very open to any serious metrics you care to add.;)
     
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    lol Federer sets final winning streaks man ;)
     
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    Well, he stopped Stanimal from making the final at the 2017 AO where Stanimal would have undoubtedly continued his GS finals winning streak. So here you go ;): streak stopped (once removed)
     
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    Ok these fedtistics are getting ridiculous.:rolleyes:
     
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    suresh could have beaten stan with how bad he was playing that day to be fair. Probably had too much of that russian vodka the night before.
     
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    Haha. Saw the match. Stan looked very good to me. 11 finals win streak broken. Zed Ahead of Fed.;):D

    In all seriousness any measures that should be added?
     
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    Nope, you don't need to add any measures. But the premise is a bit flawed, though. Roger was an uber talented kid with an attitude problem/lack of confidence/mental deficiency. Zverev is only very talented with a great attitude - talking about tennis, he might seem a bit arrogant and over the top on the court, but if survived Nole and Nadal, we'll have no problem with Big Z.

    However, once Roger got the mental game in order, it all clicked. Big Z needs to get parts of his game in order, and even though he has achieved more than Rog at their respective ages, I am afraid his ceiling is no way near the Swiss maestro. I still back him up to win quite a few GS's, unless he grows much more; that would be a shame.

    And even though I agree with @metsman who said he probably ain't Tier 1 ATG, currently there is simply nobody else closer to that, which is why all the hype and praise going his way.
     
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    Zverev's ceiling looks awfully high from everything I can see. His stats are improving at an explosive rate. Expecting his game to really take a leap on clay and grass this year. You could easily have made the same statement about Djokovic when he burst onto the scene. Anyone who has watched Zverev just hit backhands knows he is beyond special. If things are as weak as you say they are this kid could make a run at Federer. He is strong on all surfaces which really couldn't quite be said of Fed though he had some impressive clay wins, just not great results at RG. Zverev's height and rapid serve improvements to near servebot class will allow him earlier slam success. He'll be pulling ahead of Federer within a few years.:eek:
     
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    Well, look, I like the guy a lot, never hid that. However, I am afraid you are again driving the hype train a bit too hard ;)

    What I meant by comparing him with Fed is that Rog had a better game, but a worse attitude, which is why he achieved less but had more room to progress. Sascha is probably doing all he can and this is why he will progress at a slower rate. I think I can already safely say he won't reach Rog's level. But that's just my opinion, and I am basing it on what I see, not your stats - which I am a fan of, but put much less emphasis on them compared to the actual results and what I see.

    Also, you are way off on the Nole comparison. If Zverev was to catch Nole, he'd need to go SF, SF, F, W, SF in his next 5 slams. He'll do well to get to one SF in the next 5. Unless you meant playing level, then I agree with you. However, I think that unless the faster surface trend continues, his poor fitness and endurance (not through his own fault, he is simply too young) will continue to hamper him in Grand Slams for years and halt his progress. This is where Nole had a big advantage as he is not almost 2.00 m tall - big guys simply tire much faster and move much slower, not much you can do about it.
     
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