ZERO ATG's present or in the making: Going on 13 years

Are there any ATG's currently in the making?

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Lleytonstation

Lleytonstation

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The last three ATG's have been Fed, Rafa, and Djoker. All three still present at an age where when they won their first slams we would have said they would of retired by age 30 or earlier.

Of course they are the three greatest ever, but at 34/35/40 soon, they are not in their prime of their careers and should be had by other ATG's.

Yet it has not happened.

While we debate whether Murray and Wawa are ATG's, we can not all agree on it, and look what they did against the big 3 in their primes.

Now lets take a look at the next-gens, all to eventually become "has-gens."

Not one guy under 30 has a slam except Thiem. Clearly at age 27 he is not an ATG with essentially a half slam and has a high ranking of 3. So he is clearly out.

Now, there are some younger guys that could still rack up some slams and reach number one, such as Med, Zverev, Sinner, Tsits, and some unknowns.

However, at age 25, and two losses in slam finals against an aging big 3 and a high ranking of 3, his time to prove he is an ATG is lost.

Zverev? Going on 24, with a high ranking of 3, and one slam final appearance (in a half slam), think all hope of ATG status is loss there.

Sinner? :oops: Guy is young but done literally nothing so far except get TTW wet.

Tsits? Maybe there is something there, but at age 22, his time to win a slam in the big 3 era is quickly running out.

Unknowns? There will always be some young guys that get us moist, but they will do what they do and let us down with just a tease.

So it is simple, if you cant beat an aging big 3 and win slams and reach number one, you are no ATG.

Think about how much we debate Wawa and Murray about being ATG's, and their accolades against a prime big3 are tremendous.

Forget big3 bias, what we are seeing in tennis is a sad affair.

Utter. Trash.

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GabeT

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But that’s just the flip side of the Big 3 being so good. Take them out and you’d have several new ATGs. Just like if medbedev had met anyone else at the AO final he probably would have won comfortably and we’d be talking about a new star
 
Lleytonstation

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GabeT said:
But that’s just the flip side of the Big 3 being so good. Take them out and you’d have several new ATGs. Just like if medbedev had met anyone else at the AO final he probably would have won comfortably and we’d be talking about a new star
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But at 34+ for the big3, an ATG should at least snag one or two by now. ATG's beat other ATG's even if rarely. Zero slams to show for it. Imagine the onslaught if these guys played a young big3?
 
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Tennis_Hands

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Lleytonstation said:
The last three ATG's have been Fed, Rafa, and Djoker. All three still present at an age where when they won their first slams we would have said they would of retired by age 30 or earlier.

Of course they are the three greatest ever, but at 34/35/40 soon, they are not in their prime of their careers and should be had by other ATG's.

Yet it has not happened.

While we debate whether Murray and Wawa are ATG's, we can not all agree on it, and look what they did against the big 3 in their primes.

Now lets take a look at the next-gens, all to eventually become "has-gens."

Not one guy under 30 has a slam except Thiem. Clearly at age 27 he is not an ATG with essentially a half slam and has a high ranking of 3. So he is clearly out.

Now, there are some younger guys that could still rack up some slams and reach number one, such as Med, Zverev, Sinner, Tsits, and some unknowns.

However, at age 25, and two losses in slam finals against an aging big 3 and a high ranking of 3, his time to prove he is an ATG is lost.

Zverev? Going on 24, with a high ranking of 3, and one slam final appearance (in a half slam), think all hope of ATG status is loss there.

Sinner? :oops: Guy is young but done literally nothing so far except get TTW wet.

Tsits? Maybe there is something there, but at age 22, his time to win a slam in the big 3 era is quickly running out.

Unknowns? There will always be some young guys that get us moist, but they will do what they do and let us down with just a tease.

So it is simple, if you cant beat an aging big 3 and win slams and reach number one, you are no ATG.

Think about how much we debate Wawa and Murray about being ATG's, and their accolades against a prime big3 are tremendous.

Forget big3 bias, what we are seeing in tennis is a sad affair.

Utter. Trash.

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Most people around here don't follow tennis. They follow their idols, and so these things are not interesting for them.

I predict that they will "see" it, when they have to find another idol, but not before that.

:cool:
 
TheAssassin

TheAssassin

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Don't really care about what each person thinks is the ATG minimum requirement, but Medvedev will do great. And I have a good feeling Tsitsipas will too.

Having said all that, I voted for the fourth option. I keep telling you guys that jinxing is nonsense but nobody listens.
 
Lleytonstation

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TheAssassin said:
Don't really care about what each person thinks is the ATG minimum requirement, but Medvedev will do great. And I have a good feeling Tsitsipas will too.

Having said all that, I voted for the fourth option. I keep telling you guys that jinxing is nonsense but nobody listens.
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As a djoker fan, you shouldnt care. I get that. But for us non Djoker fans, not just Fed fans like me, but potential future fans, this hurts the sport. You need guys like Murray and Wawa to grow the sport.
 
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PilotPete

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It's the internet generation. Big3 of course are great, but no one can defy age this long, it has more to do with how bad the NetGen is than how good the Big3 are.
 
Beckerserve

Beckerserve

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Lleytonstation said:
The last three ATG's have been Fed, Rafa, and Djoker. All three still present at an age where when they won their first slams we would have said they would of retired by age 30 or earlier.

Of course they are the three greatest ever, but at 34/35/40 soon, they are not in their prime of their careers and should be had by other ATG's.

Yet it has not happened.

While we debate whether Murray and Wawa are ATG's, we can not all agree on it, and look what they did against the big 3 in their primes.

Now lets take a look at the next-gens, all to eventually become "has-gens."

Not one guy under 30 has a slam except Thiem. Clearly at age 27 he is not an ATG with essentially a half slam and has a high ranking of 3. So he is clearly out.

Now, there are some younger guys that could still rack up some slams and reach number one, such as Med, Zverev, Sinner, Tsits, and some unknowns.

However, at age 25, and two losses in slam finals against an aging big 3 and a high ranking of 3, his time to prove he is an ATG is lost.

Zverev? Going on 24, with a high ranking of 3, and one slam final appearance (in a half slam), think all hope of ATG status is loss there.

Sinner? :oops: Guy is young but done literally nothing so far except get TTW wet.

Tsits? Maybe there is something there, but at age 22, his time to win a slam in the big 3 era is quickly running out.

Unknowns? There will always be some young guys that get us moist, but they will do what they do and let us down with just a tease.

So it is simple, if you cant beat an aging big 3 and win slams and reach number one, you are no ATG.

Think about how much we debate Wawa and Murray about being ATG's, and their accolades against a prime big3 are tremendous.

Forget big3 bias, what we are seeing in tennis is a sad affair.

Utter. Trash.

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Lets just say today is a great day for Nadal and Federer. Ahead on slam race and just each other and Djokovic to worry about.
 
mike danny

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GabeT said:
But that’s just the flip side of the Big 3 being so good. Take them out and you’d have several new ATGs. Just like if medbedev had met anyone else at the AO final he probably would have won comfortably and we’d be talking about a new star
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Murray, Stan, Delpo and Safin have won slams against the prime Big 3, so beating aging Big 3 should not be impossible.

Next.
 
TheAssassin

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Lleytonstation said:
As a djoker fan, you shouldnt care. I get that. But for us non Djoker fans, not just Fed fans like me, but potential future fans, this hurts the sport. You need guys like Murray and Wawa to grow the sport.
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I am well aware that the recent years have gone against past norms. A different result today wouldn't have changed that on its own. But with Thiem, Next Gen, Sinner and some other dark horses, soon enough it's going to be a much more even field which plenty of people have been craving for.
 
Lleytonstation

Lleytonstation

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TheAssassin said:
I am well aware that the recent years have gone against past norms. A different result today wouldn't have changed that on its own. But with Thiem, Next Gen, Sinner and some other dark horses, soon enough it's going to be a much more even field which plenty of people have been craving for.
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Heard this for 5+ years. Dimitrov was once that guy... he is almost 30.
 
Third Serve

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TheAssassin said:
I am well aware that the recent years have gone against past norms. A different result today wouldn't have changed that on its own. But with Thiem, Next Gen, Sinner and some other dark horses, soon enough it's going to be a much more even field which plenty of people have been craving for.
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That’s what I thought five years ago.
 
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Tennis_Hands

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OhYes said:
If you really cared about the sport like you say after this final, you would wish and call out Fed when he was 33, 34.
Aaaand I doubt you did. :sneaky:
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You don't follow tennis, so that is your only excuse to make such statements: there has been an enormous amount of discussions about the failed generations after the Nadal/Djokovic generation, so I suggest that you go back to your Djoko trolling.

:cool:
 
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