Zev vs. Djo physically

Ruark

Professional
A friend of mine who was a doctor and medical school lecturer for 30 years says that Zev's build is not a good match for extreme physical sports like pro tennis. The main issue is the long, lanky mid and lower body, and the "floppy" hip joints that sway and swivel when he walks. He's going to be very, very prone to hip and lower back problems, and indeed some people have already observed him nursing his back during matches. There's just too much major joint involvement, and the longer extremities put too much leverage on the connecting joints like the knees, hips and lower back. Think of holding a 6-foot pole by the extreme tip, compared to a 3-foot pole. E.g., Sharapova's chronic shoulder pain.

This is in contrast to Djokovic, who has a tighter, harder, more compact "one-piece" physique that enables him to leap around the court like a gazelle without losing balance or focus, whereas somebody like Zev sort of flings himself back and forth. This is also a factor in Djokovic's longevity on the tour. This might also apply to Sakkari, BTW.

Food for thought, perhaps....

 
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swordtennis

G.O.A.T.
Zverev has mega power in that frame
Like tall lanky boxers usually have massive punching power using that leverage
Thomas The Hitman Hearns comes to mind.
Nole needs to get to his chin like Hagler.
 

Jokervich

Hall of Fame
Interesting. I guess his parents should not have fed him growth hormone when he was younger.:sneaky: Too tall to win slams.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
A friend of mine who was a doctor and medical school lecturer for 30 years says that Zev's build is not a good match for extreme physical sports like pro tennis.
We don’t need a physician to confirm this, any bum off the street could come to the same conclusion. There’s never been any player in tennis history who was 6’6 ever win a slam or be ranked #1. The tallest slam winner/#1 player was Safin at 6’4.

Zverev and Med both have utterly the wrong physiques for tennis.
 

Sunny014

Legend
A friend of mine who was a doctor and medical school lecturer for 30 years says that Zev's build is not a good match for extreme physical sports like pro tennis. The main issue is the long, lanky mid and lower body, and the "floppy" hip joints that sway and swivel when he walks. He's going to be very, very prone to hip and lower back problems, and indeed some people have already observed him nursing his back during matches. There's just too much major joint involvement, and the longer extremities put too much leverage on the connecting joints like the knees, hips and lower back. Think of holding a 6-foot pole by the extreme tip, compared to a 3-foot pole. E.g., Sharapova's chronic shoulder pain.

This is in contrast to Djokovic, who has a tighter, harder, more compact "one-piece" physique that enables him to leap around the court like a gazelle without losing balance or focus, whereas somebody like Zev sort of flings himself back and forth. This is also a factor in Djokovic's longevity on the tour. This might also apply to Sakkari, BTW.

Food for thought, perhaps....

@NoleFam - Zverev is looking like Eric Northman in this pic.
 

Jokervich

Hall of Fame
We don’t need a physician to confirm this, any bum off the street could come to the same conclusion. There’s never been any player in tennis history who was 6’6 ever win a slam or be ranked #1. The tallest slam winner/#1 player was Safin at 6’4.

Zverev and Med both have utterly the wrong physiques for tennis.
Cilic won a slam at 6'6. He wasn't #1 though.
 

Ruark

Professional
Zverev has mega power in that frame
Like tall lanky boxers usually have massive punching power using that leverage
Thomas The Hitman Hearns comes to mind.
Nole needs to get to his chin like Hagler.
True, as evidenced by Zev's 135-mph serves. Where it breaks down, though, is in the mid/lower body aspect of pro tennis: the violent tearing back and forth around the court.
 

Ruark

Professional
Both Delpo and Cilic show that it can be done but only once.
Delpo got up there for a while, too bad he broke his kneecap when he fell at the net at Shanghai. He never really recovered. Delpo, while tall (6'6"), is a little more sturdily built, not a "long drink of water" like Zev. That probably helps, er, helped.
 

The Fedfather

Hall of Fame
It does seem like intense prolonged movement would not be ideal for Zverev's build. He doesn't move poorly though and doesn't seem to be injury-prone. Being solid from the baseline, with a serve that he has and can improve still in terms of consistency, he should be quite successful, with the current field at least. Well, he already is.

Djokovic is no doubt built better for tennis.
 

Sunny014

Legend
I think Northman is not as quite as skinny though.
Last post from me on this, otherwise our friend @Rosstour will be angry that we are discussing tv series characters here :p

The actor Alexander Skarsgard who plays Eric Northman also has same 1st name as Sasha .... Quite a similarity

 

BlueB

Legend
We don’t need a physician to confirm this, any bum off the street could come to the same conclusion. There’s never been any player in tennis history who was 6’6 ever win a slam or be ranked #1. The tallest slam winner/#1 player was Safin at 6’4.

Zverev and Med both have utterly the wrong physiques for tennis.
Del Potro 6' 6"
Edit: already mentioned...
 

Sunny014

Legend
We don’t need a physician to confirm this, any bum off the street could come to the same conclusion. There’s never been any player in tennis history who was 6’6 ever win a slam or be ranked #1. The tallest slam winner/#1 player was Safin at 6’4.

Zverev and Med both have utterly the wrong physiques for tennis.
Now guys 6'4 and above are moving much better than guys in Safin's time and Safin himself moved far better than anyone of that height in Pancho's or Borg's time......

So that is evolution, we will have 6'4-6'6 tall world number 1s as well in future.
 

Ruark

Professional
While we're on this subject, I always wondered how well somebody like Shaq O'Neill would play if they developed pro-level tennis skills. 200 mph serves, 150 mph forehands.... :oops:
 

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
A friend of mine who was a doctor and medical school lecturer for 30 years says that Zev's build is not a good match for extreme physical sports like pro tennis. The main issue is the long, lanky mid and lower body, and the "floppy" hip joints that sway and swivel when he walks.
Movement is compromised. You will not see two players 6'5" or over ever going deep. We recently had Hurk vs Berrettini at the Wimbledon SF. That is the tallest SF you will ever see.

Let's not even discuss the Anderson vs Isner match. Two servebots. They moved like Bull Elephants. Nobody would seriously call that movement. :rolleyes:
 
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Amen786

Semi-Pro
We don’t need a physician to confirm this, any bum off the street could come to the same conclusion. There’s never been any player in tennis history who was 6’6 ever win a slam or be ranked #1. The tallest slam winner/#1 player was Safin at 6’4.

Zverev and Med both have utterly the wrong physiques for tennis.
Ignorance at its peak. Looks like its an American thing.
Marin cilic 2014 United States open
Juan Martin del potro 2009 United States open
Goran Ivanisevic 2001 Wimbledon
 

beard

Legend
We don’t need a physician to confirm this, any bum off the street could come to the same conclusion. There’s never been any player in tennis history who was 6’6 ever win a slam or be ranked #1. The tallest slam winner/#1 player was Safin at 6’4.

Zverev and Med both have utterly the wrong physiques for tennis.
Big words as usual... Facts say otherwise as usual... :rolleyes:
 

Ruark

Professional
Yeah, let's not get out of hand here. I wouldn't say that NOBODY 6'6" can win a slam or play well. Not true, of course, it's happened many times. This was just a reference to Zev specifically, and Med to some extent as well. We'll see in a few years how they've held up. As far as others, Cilic has been out in the past with knee, shoulder and arm injuries. Potro is one long injury history. Ivanisevic was good for awhile back in the 90s, but slid down to a 125 ranking because of injuries. Yes, he beat Rafter in Wimbledon 2001 mainly because Rafter played "the worst game I've ever played."
 

tex123

Professional
A friend of mine who was a doctor and medical school lecturer for 30 years says that Zev's build is not a good match for extreme physical sports like pro tennis. The main issue is the long, lanky mid and lower body, and the "floppy" hip joints that sway and swivel when he walks. He's going to be very, very prone to hip and lower back problems, and indeed some people have already observed him nursing his back during matches. There's just too much major joint involvement, and the longer extremities put too much leverage on the connecting joints like the knees, hips and lower back. Think of holding a 6-foot pole by the extreme tip, compared to a 3-foot pole. E.g., Sharapova's chronic shoulder pain.

This is in contrast to Djokovic, who has a tighter, harder, more compact "one-piece" physique that enables him to leap around the court like a gazelle without losing balance or focus, whereas somebody like Zev sort of flings himself back and forth. This is also a factor in Djokovic's longevity on the tour. This might also apply to Sakkari, BTW.

Food for thought, perhaps....

Zv does not need to leap around the court like a gazelle, does he? With a booming serve and a solid backhand, he can compensate for his physical deficiencies. They have a completely different style of play. If they make courts faster, that helps him even more. He could shorten the points by coming to the net.

He can't do anything about his height. All he can do is manage it with his style of play.
 
Zverev will maybe have these problems in the long run (wish him all the best) but he'll be fine here. And he has spent more than 4 hours less on court than Novak. If battle goes super physical, I don't like it for Novak.
 
You can still win plenty of slams at 6’5 plus. Just not with djokovic around is all. But he won’t be around forever. Zverev will still win 6 slams at least. Maybe more. Being tall doesn’t work against you that much when a whole field is trash like now LOL

hell if djoker wasn’t around gobbling everything berretini probably has a slam to his name. He would have won Wimbledon and maybe even this US open. Maybe
 

daddy

Legend
Delpo got up there for a while, too bad he broke his kneecap when he fell at the net at Shanghai. He never really recovered. Delpo, while tall (6'6"), is a little more sturdily built, not a "long drink of water" like Zev. That probably helps, er, helped.
He was done way before his kneecap injury and that injury is not as bad although it sounds awful when you say that out loud. Persistent issues like the wrist issues he had are a huge threat. Also I found Delpo's body much more loose in comparison to Zverev who also seems to have a lover center of gravity which helps his movement and I think will benefit his health in long term. He's not Misha but looks better then Delpo imo.
 

Quaichang

Rookie
We don’t need a physician to confirm this, any bum off the street could come to the same conclusion. There’s never been any player in tennis history who was 6’6 ever win a slam or be ranked #1. The tallest slam winner/#1 player was Safin at 6’4.

Zverev and Med both have utterly the wrong physiques for tennis.
Del Porto and Cilic both 6’6”
 

Sunny014

Legend
You can still win plenty of slams at 6’5 plus. Just not with djokovic around is all. But he won’t be around forever. Zverev will still win 6 slams at least. Maybe more. Being tall doesn’t work against you that much when a whole field is trash like now LOL

hell if djoker wasn’t around gobbling everything berretini probably has a slam to his name. He would have won Wimbledon and maybe even this US open. Maybe
How would Berretini fare in other eras ?

Do you see someone of his talent winning in other eras as well ??
 

ibbi

Legend
Essentially what you seem to be saying is that one guy is shorter, one guy is taller, and thus more likely to get hurt, which anyone that's ever watched tennis could reply to with a simple, "Duh".

The fact that he's worked with Jez Green for years to get a particular size, shape and weight, suggests he knows what he's doing, or at least people around him know what they're doing and aiming for. Green also worked so successfully with Murray, but in retrospect with all that has happened some even suggested that Murray got TOO big, was carrying too much weight around, so if with Zverev they've stopped short of turning him into some sort of tank that seems to make sense.
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
We don’t need a physician to confirm this, any bum off the street could come to the same conclusion. There’s never been any player in tennis history who was 6’6 ever win a slam or be ranked #1. The tallest slam winner/#1 player was Safin at 6’4.

Zverev and Med both have utterly the wrong physiques for tennis.
To be fair, Medvedev doesn't look like he has the physique, technique, really anything for tennis. But he's #2 in the world while guys like Shapovalov (someone who looks like he was born for tennis) languish outside the top 5.
 

Bambooman

Rookie
How would Berretini fare in other eras ?

Do you see someone of his talent winning in other eras as well ??
I think Berretini would have thrived in the late 80s-mid 2000s and he likely will in this one too. He also would have been great in earlier eras but I think he fits best in the first one mentioned.
 

RelentlessAttack

Hall of Fame
The tallest slam winners are Safin, Krajicek, Delpo, and Cilic. 3/4 are perpetually injured. But Delpo’s injuries were mostly related to his technique, and Kraijeck/Safin are from a different era of training and lower bounce as well. Cilic has held up ok.

Zverev being leaner is actually a positive for his future longevity
 

duaneeo

Legend
Who cares how long Zverev or Medvedev will last in tennis. The only things that matter right now are the upcoming matches.
 

Bambooman

Rookie
People care because they are hopeful the next gen won't fall apart before they get their best chance. Look at Raonic. So near and yet so far.
 

duaneeo

Legend
People care because they are hopeful the next gen won't fall apart before they get their best chance. Look at Raonic. So near and yet so far.
Zverev and Medvedev are 24 and 25 respectively. Their best chances are now...not years from now.
 

Bambooman

Rookie
Zverev and Medvedev are 24 and 25 respectively. Their best chances are now...not years from now.
Almost. Their best chances are when Novak starts slipping, not when he's putting together the best year ever. They need to hold on until then.
They might start to fray and crumble at the same time.
 

Hitman

G.O.A.T.
Well, lets put it to the test over the next couple of days. Zverev and Medvedev have the opportunity in front of them.
 

Harry_Wild

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic has multi dimensional weapons like taking fake injury time outs, medical time outs, zoning out at rest period to recover, go nuts to pump himself up, etc…
 

wangs78

Hall of Fame
Modern sports training techniques and medicine have increased the tolerances of the human body to withstand the rigors of modern sport. This is why we keep seeing taller and taller tennis players be able to move like someone half a foot shorter from a decade before. What I don’t get is why do the European (and South American) giraffes all move pretty well, while the American species like heavy buffalo.
 
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