Zina Garrison sues USTA

It would be nice to follow the course of this one. I'm a bit surprised that there may be a legal justification for suing the organization one the basis of this one person's remark. . . which may have been racist or may have simply meant "you professionals." I need to know more before I come down with my view on this.
 
She needs to show a pattern. The only one I see, of one of failure. But I am interested to know about that pay issue? How is it negotiated and why did McEnroe get more. Isn't this the same position Billie Jean had? How much did she get?
 
Unfortunately, black people are being taught at an early age to cry racism when something doesn't go there way....
It is rampent in the South.
 
Jonas said:
Unfortunately, black people are being taught at an early age to cry racism when something doesn't go there way....
It is rampent in the South.
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But sometimes (certainly not always) racism is the root cause. Not saying that's the case here. I just can't stand when people say that because some charges of racism are illegitimate, that means all charges of racism are illigitimate and, therefore, charges of racism are always just "crying racism."
 
Wasn't there some hint of reverse racism that got Garrison the Fed Cup job in the first place? The Williams sisters didn't get along well with coach Bill Jean King, so she was replaced by Garrison to get the sisters to play?
 
This racism crap needs to stop (as in stop claiming everything is racism). If she got fired, she got fired because she couldn't win the team a fed cup title.
 
What a whiner. She never produced results (coaching wise). Lucky for her, she feels she has a trump card in her back pocket. That just sucks.
 
goober said:
She claims her firing was racial. "In Garrison's tenure, the U.S. never made the Fed Cup final - the longest drought in the 45-year history of the competition. " I guess if you can't win follow the American way and sue!


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/m...nnis_ace_zina_garrison_fed_cup_bouncin-2.html
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she was there for a long time with no results. time to leave if she had any pride she would have left earlier on her own accord she's a dud. time for new blood.
 
Jonas said:
Unfortunately, black people are being taught at an early age to cry racism when something doesn't go there way....
It is rampent in the South.
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this is not just a black thing, there's one particular religion that has turned this into an art form.
 
She didn't complain when she was receiving a paycheck for 5 years. I didn't see any results with her at the helm. I agree she was hired so she could calm the Williams sisters down so they would play for the USA. Billy Jean wouldn't put up with their attitudes ( good for her). Now she wants to play the race card. Either produce or you're fired.
 
Jonas said:
Unfortunately, black people are being taught at an early age to cry racism when something doesn't go there way....
It is rampent in the South.
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How dare they...jeez. Go lynch a sheriff and give us all peace.
 
They did seem to rush her out, to bring in Mary Joe. Two years was kind of hasty, MJ skipped some Fed Cup ties in the 90s too. ZGJ may have a point, she deserved a few more years. It's not like MJ is going to get any better results, with the lack of talent and lack of desire by the Williams to play every tie. MJ should have waited 2-3 years and let Z have her fair shot at it.
 
rallyjunkie said:
They did seem to rush her out, to bring in Mary Joe. Two years was kind of hasty, MJ skipped some Fed Cup ties in the 90s too. ZGJ may have a point, she deserved a few more years. It's not like MJ is going to get any better results, with the lack of talent and lack of desire by the Williams to play every tie. MJ should have waited 2-3 years and let Z have her fair shot at it.
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Presidents are only elected to 4 year terms. Garrison had 5 years. I think she had more than enough time to prove herself.
 
Jonas said:
Unfortunately, black people are being taught at an early age to cry racism when something doesn't go there way....
It is rampent in the South.
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Useless you are raising black children or personally know any blacks, I strong suggest you stop pulling nonsense out of your arse.
 
Anyone know what the compensation package is for these guys and how it has changed? One of her points has to do with salary differences.
 
bluetrain4 said:
But sometimes (certainly not always) racism is the root cause. Not saying that's the case here. I just can't stand when people say that because some charges of racism are illegitimate, that means all charges of racism are illigitimate and, therefore, charges of racism are always just "crying racism."
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If that was true she never would have been hired in the first place, let alone to produce 5 years of poor results at her job.
 
A former Equipment Editor at Tennis Magazine once told me he was at the US Open in or near the stringing area and Zina was "going off "to the staff about the service she had recieved. He made it sound pretty pathetic.
 
How much are the poor results Garrison's fault and how much are the poor results due to our strongest players not choosing to play?

She can't make magic happen.

The US is not always going to be the best. We have great athletes, but so do other countries. Sometimes, ours are not the strongest.

And, in both Fed Cup and Davis Cup, the outcome depends on who shows up! Think about the upcoming DC tie. When Federer was still slated to play, pretty much everyone had given Switzerland the win. Now, with only *one* personnel change, things are looking the complete opposite.

Doesn't matter if you have the greatest captain in the world if your well is dry!
 
I would argue that one of the most important part of the job of being Davis or Fed Cup captain is the ability get the top players to play. If you can't get the top players to play then you basically are no value as a captain.

PMac still has a job because he won the Davis Cup recently and top players consistently play for him.
 
goober said:
She claims her firing was racial. "In Garrison's tenure, the U.S. never made the Fed Cup final - the longest drought in the 45-year history of the competition. " I guess if you can't win follow the American way and sue!


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/m...nnis_ace_zina_garrison_fed_cup_bouncin-2.html
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Oh brother, how pathetic. You know, there is still racism around because of people like her, they just keep bringing it up! Is this why Venus and Serena didn't play Fed Cup this year?
 
goober said:
I would argue that one of the most important part of the job of being Davis or Fed Cup captain is the ability get the top players to play. If you can't get the top players to play then you basically are no value as a captain.

PMac still has a job because he won the Davis Cup recently and top players consistently play for him.
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Good point Goober. Though really...do you think a captain exists on the planet who could get the Williams sisters to play consistently?

PMac is lucky, too, though...the boys have always been friends as well, and that has definitely played into it. The gals are not nearly as close with each other.

Whether or not you win a cup also is largely determined by your draw.
 
Topaz said:
Good point Goober. Though really...do you think a captain exists on the planet who could get the Williams sisters to play consistently?

PMac is lucky, too, though...the boys have always been friends as well, and that has definitely played into it. The gals are not nearly as close with each other.

Whether or not you win a cup also is largely determined by your draw.
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Is he lucky or was he chosen because he is friends with they guys and therefore could get them to play? Some may see it as luck others may see it as he was chosen carefully.

Whether you win or not may be luck of the draw, but if you never go anywhere consistently and have the longest drought in Fed cup history- who do you think is to blame? The Captain is going to get the blame and rightly so.

Is there a captain that could get the Williams sisters to play? Sure- put Richard Williams as Captain. How many Fed Cups do you think the sisters would miss? I can very much imagine a scenario where Zina Garrison during her interview with the USTA pretty much told them she could bring them in.
 
goober said:
Is there a captain that could get the Williams sisters to play? Sure- put Richard Williams as Captain. How many Fed Cups do you think the sisters would miss? I can very much imagine a scenario where Zina Garrison during her interview with the USTA pretty much told them she could bring them in.
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LOL! I knew someone was going to say Richard Williams!

Were the Davis Cup boys already in place, though, before PMac was captain? Not sure on my DC history, but I do know Roddick was playing before the others, of course. I don't know...it just seems that the guys (even Pete, Andre, and JMac) seemed to care more about DC than many of the gals (exception would be Davenport). I didn't realize that PMac was really friends with those guys, or that they would feel any obligation to him. I think they are generally more motivated to play for their country.

And, on the women's side, it seems some of the lower ranked players *love* to play Fed Cup and represent their country (Craybas), they just aren't our strongest choices. I remember the US Fed cup team beating Germany in Germany with a 'B' squad who got the job done, then the next round those gals aren't chosen because suddenly Venus is available.

Ok, I'm rambling. I have to admit that I *love* Mary Joe and I'm thrilled she is the new captain, I just think that the US Fed Cup drought is not *entirely* Zina's fault. I think she did the best with what she had.

We don't know for sure if she ever guaranteed that she could get the Williams sisters to play...really, nobody (ok, except for Richard) could do that. I'm sure the USTA hoped for that, but trying to pin the sisters down is certainly a losing cause (unfortunately).
 
heftylefty said:
Useless you are raising black children or personally know any blacks, I strong suggest you stop pulling nonsense out of your arse.
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And just how the hell would YOU know whether or not he knows any blacks? It's time for YOU to stop pulling nonsense out of YOUR ass!
 
Well the compensation package is decided before the results. Seems to me that is the most important part of her claim. If she can show virtually every other President got a better package or that commitments were made and were kept with the rest CONSISTENTLY and broken to her...That can be the pattern. Then she can show a cause using statements. Question is is that viewed as a confidential or a transparency issue by the USTA.
 
All this talk about USA can't win without the Williams sisters and here they are now in the Fed Cup finals using Mattek, Glatch, Huber :shock:








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rallyjunkie said:
They did seem to rush her out, to bring in Mary Joe. Two years was kind of hasty, MJ skipped some Fed Cup ties in the 90s too. ZGJ may have a point, she deserved a few more years. It's not like MJ is going to get any better results, with the lack of talent and lack of desire by the Williams to play every tie. MJ should have waited 2-3 years and let Z have her fair shot at it.
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Well, so far MJ has proven you wrong. Certainly there is luck involved, but she's made the right calls regardless. Garrison was and still is clueless IMO.
 
Nuke said:
Wasn't there some hint of reverse racism that got Garrison the Fed Cup job in the first place? The Williams sisters didn't get along well with coach Bill Jean King, so she was replaced by Garrison to get the sisters to play?
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There is no such thing as "reverse racism." Think about it.
 
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Not an easy case to make that the people who fired you were racist, but evidently they weren't racist when they decided to hire you. (And then they replace you with an hispanic).
 
rallyjunkie said:
They did seem to rush her out, to bring in Mary Joe. Two years was kind of hasty, MJ skipped some Fed Cup ties in the 90s too. ZGJ may have a point, she deserved a few more years. It's not like MJ is going to get any better results, with the lack of talent and lack of desire by the Williams to play every tie. MJ should have waited 2-3 years and let Z have her fair shot at it.
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