Zverev could become the 7th player in the Open Era to reach the final of all 4 Grand Slams, ATP Finals and Olympics

Hyde said:
Only six male players in history have done it:

Andre Agassi
Roger Federer
Rafael Nadal
Novak Djokovic
Andy Murray
Carlos Alcaraz

If Zverev wins his semifinal against Arthur Fery, he will become the 7th player to do so.
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Plus 7/9 MS events, right? So that would be every event in the top two tiers apart from Indian Wells and Monte Carlo.
 
nighthawkrr said:
Just shows how weak the tour is. Tsonga would absolutely make the final. He just showed up in the wrong era.
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Tsonga is always hard for me to get a grip on. I remember a lot of people calling him a mental midget back in those days. I know it really hit when Ferrer beat him badly in the FO semis. Perhaps he would have made another Major final, but it’s hard for me to say either way even with his talent.
 
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BorgTheGOAT said:
If he wins Wimbledon he will likely be the best two slammer in the OE only after Nastase. Likely ahead of Hewitt.
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I think Hewitt's 80 weeks at 1 and two YE1 might give him the edge, even if reversing the times in which each played, it would likely be the other way around.
 
Win or lose the final, he's been fantastic this past month or so. I thought grass might be the surface he never really does well on but boy has he proven me wrong this year, He's an all-courter and making all the big finals (and winning some of them) is such an impressive feat regardless, you don't do that by being an average player.
 
Hyde said:
Only six male players in history have done it:

Andre Agassi
Roger Federer
Rafael Nadal
Novak Djokovic
Andy Murray
Carlos Alcaraz

If Zverev wins his semifinal against Arthur Fery, he will become the 7th player to do so.
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That’s amazing!
 
To be fair, the first third of the Open Era didn't even have the possibility to achieve this feat. If we restrict it to slams only, then the following have made all slam finals in the open era:

Rod Laver
Ken Rosewall
Ivan Lendl
Stefan Edberg
Jim Courier
Andre Agassi
Roger Federer
Rafael Nadal
Novak Djokovic
Andy Murray
Jannik Sinner
Carlos Alcaraz
Alexander Zverev
 
BauerAlmeida said:
I think Hewitt's 80 weeks at 1 and two YE1 might give him the edge, even if reversing the times in which each played, it would likely be the other way around.
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Not sure man. More masters, better slam resume outside the titles in terms of consistency, the OG. Find it hard to argue against it only based on No.1 stats. Also, of Zed wins Wimbledon he will likely grab some weeks at 1 at some point.
 
JMR said:
The tour finals have been around since 1970. All slams + ATP Finals is therefore a fair standard. Drop only the Olympics.
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I thought of that, but I wasn't sure it was fair to Rosewall (who is, I believe, the only player to have made all four slam finals in the Open Era but not made the final of the Tour Finals), given that in the early days of the tournament, the WCT was a major rival.
 
helterskelter said:
I thought of that, but I wasn't sure it was fair to Rosewall (who is, I believe, the only player to have made all four slam finals in the Open Era but not made the final of the Tour Finals), given that in the early days of the tournament, the WCT was a major rival.
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Rosewall did play in the 1970 ATP Finals (then called the Masters, of course).

This is similar to the plight of guys who skipped the AO in the 1970s and early '80s. They had good reasons at the time, but the event's prestige grew and the players ended up with self-inflicted resume gaps.
 
helterskelter said:
To be fair, the first third of the Open Era didn't even have the possibility to achieve this feat. If we restrict it to slams only, then the following have made all slam finals in the open era:

Rod Laver
Ken Rosewall
Ivan Lendl
Stefan Edberg
Jim Courier
Andre Agassi
Roger Federer
Rafael Nadal
Novak Djokovic
Andy Murray
Jannik Sinner
Carlos Alcaraz
Alexander Zverev
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I think these stats show Zverev has/had the talent to be a borderline all time great at least but has underperformed relative to his talent. He has some other stats where he is in some very elite company
 
JMR said:
Rosewall did play in the 1970 ATP Finals (then called the Masters, of course).

This is similar to the plight of guys who skipped the AO in the 1970s and early '80s. They had good reasons at the time, but the event's prestige grew and the players ended up with self-inflicted resume gaps.
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I know he played it.

To me, the bolded showcases the problems of comparing across eras. We end up judging by the standards of the recent eras, so of course the recent players look better than the past ones.
 
JMR said:
Rosewall did play in the 1970 ATP Finals (then called the Masters, of course).

This is similar to the plight of guys who skipped the AO in the 1970s and early '80s. They had good reasons at the time, but the event's prestige grew and the players ended up with self-inflicted resume gaps.
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Ha, there was no final at the 1970 YEC, the winner was just declared based on RR results. So technically even the winner that year(Smith) did not make the final:)

And its not in the same ballpark of the AO argument. You can say them skipping AO was self inflicted(since it was always technically a major). But the YEC in 1970 was just a newly created event with no history. It easily could have folded after one year(the more important event - which had more worldwide coverage than YEC - was the WCT Finals which started in '71 - its forgotten today but players and media of the time basically said it was a major. Roswall Laver '72 WCT Finals was instrumental in the tennis boom, it got huge ratings and then networks started boosting TV coverage in a big way)

Plus there was no ATP ranking in '70, qualification for the YEC were based on Grand Prix points - which are not easily found anywhere, certainly not on the ATP site - the ATP had nothing to do with Grand Prix - in fact the ATP had nothing to do with the Masters until 1990. There were some years in which the Grand Prix top 8, where some of the players playing didn't even finish in the top 20 of the ATP rankings that year! The Grand Prix race could be very different, there were different events used for the ATP ranking, etc. So it's not really factual to say the YEC have always been based on the top 8 players on the ATP tour. In '77 Connors finished #1 on the ATP computer - but barely qualified for the YEC(he was the # 8 seed). The 70s were a cluster.
 
Moose Malloy said:
Ha, there was no final at the 1970 YEC, the winner was just declared based on RR results. So technically even the winner that year(Smith) did not make the final:)
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Right, but there was a winner and second-place guy, which is all that's needed.
Moose Malloy said:
And its not in the same ballpark of the AO argument. You can say them skipping AO was self inflicted(since it was always technically a major). But the YEC in 1970 was just a newly created event with no history. It easily could have folded after one year(the more important event - which had more worldwide coverage than YEC - was the WCT Finals which started in '71 - its forgotten today but players and media of the time basically said it was a major. Roswall Laver '72 WCT Finals was instrumental in the tennis boom, it got huge ratings and then networks started boosting TV coverage in a big way)
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This is more of an argument for the importance of the WCT Finals than for the lack of importance of the Masters/ATP Finals. But the latter lasted while the former did not, and there's nothing we can do about that now.

The Masters became an important event quite quickly. In 1975, for example, Arthur Ashe was proud of the fact that he both won the WCT championship and made it to the semifinals of the Masters. He described the challenge of winning both as "damn difficult."
Moose Malloy said:
So it's not really factual to say the YEC have always been based on the top 8 players on the ATP tour.
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No one is saying that, since for a few years there were more than eight players involved.
 
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