Zverev may really be the "real deal"

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  1. Sabratha

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    Zverev is playing like the world No. 3 this year in my view. I'm not saying he will be as good as Djokovic, but his metoric rise to a career high of 7th after making the Montreal final is a move in the right direction.

    I think if he gets seeded as high as 3 or 4 in a major he wins it. With the way the tour is right now and his level it is probably bound to happen.
     
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    He has turned the corner through the course of this year. Has looked more seasoned through Washington and now at Montreal too. Whether he wins Montreal or not, he looks like he is on the way to more titles. Slams, I will hold out until he improves upon his past record at slams which is not at all enviable. I want to see if it is just inexperience or that he runs out of steam in BO5. If the latter, winning slams may prove tough for him.
     
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    I've been very impressed with his service games the last two tournaments. He's in control of his service games and not just bombing them in to bomb them in.
     
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    Of course he is the real deal, it's too obvious from seeing him play and too many people have said it not to be true. However, a best of 3 and a best of 5 is currently a world of difference for him, which is evidenced by his quite poor GS record. Surely this is not due to the quality of his opponents (although he had some unfortunate draws this year) but rather him running out of steam.

    He is still to make the 2nd week of a GS and I simply can't see him winning the whole thing, regardless if the higher seeding gives him a much better draw. If he is to win it, he'll need to win 3 sets against several tough opponents and he is obviously still not there yet physically. Give him another year or two at the most is my opinion. However, seeing how good he is playing now and how many top guys are MIA or simply poor, I wouldn't be surprised to see him make the SF's at the US Open this year, depending on the draw, of course.
     
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  5. Gary Duane

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    BUT: He looked really nervous tonight against Shapo. It's one thing getting near the top, another thing to actually get there and stay there.

    Do you like his game? I find it a bit boring.
     
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    Lol. I guess Federer fans already forgot what they were writing about him in Monte Carlo when he got owned by Nadal.
     
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  7. Sabratha

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    Eh... Not really. His surge to the top is probably good for the game though.
     
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    Actually, Zverev did make the second week of Wimb this year.
     
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    He should have a real chance today, Fed has been playing way below par. Fed toyed with him on the Halle grass, though.

    His serve has great potential. Not a dominant forehand, and a quite poor mover, in all directions. But he has a real solid baseline game. Denis showed us how effective a mixed up game can be in today's tennis. A breath of fresh air!

    Zed is more mature between his ears than other nextgens. Very nice guy.
     
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    A bunch of non-pros telling an actual pro that he's the "real deal". Classic.
     
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    Oh, I might be wrong on that one but for me 2nd week of GS was always QF's and above.
     
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    Perhaps more damning or at least surprising is the fact that he's yet to beat a top 50 player in a slam..

    But obviously it's bound to happen sooner than later. Not just top 50 but top 10 soon I would think.
     
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    Until he finds a way to take out Nadal, he doesn't have the mental fortitude to win a Slam.
    No Slam winner since 2002 of players who haven't beaten Nadal (that includes Roddick, Gaudio, Hewitt, Ferrero, Delpo, Cilic, Stan, Murray).

    Until he does that, he's not on level with Thiem who has beaten the Big 3.
     
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    It would be epic if after winning his 1st masters 1000 by beating Djokovic in the final, he wins his 2nd masters 1000 by beating Federer in the final.
     
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    You're looking at the real deal now. wooooo

     
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    the TT classic

    also, let's not forget that pros in the top 20-30 are mugs and clowns
     
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    Yeah man, we need at least a top 200 ranking to share our views on tennis here at TTW. Unacceptable.
     
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    Thiem is really not that good though when it comes to top players. He's more like a Robredo or something.

    I think Zverev has that X-Factor about him. I also think his results outside majors are more desirable.
     
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    Pray for Zachery.

    End the tyranny. :p
     
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    Actually, until his injury, Wawrinka had been playing like the no.3 player in the world.

    And he still is the no.3 player in the world based on results this year. Zverev has done very little in slams for me to put him above Stan.
     
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    10/10 post.
     
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    Thiem has victories on clay over all Big 5, incl. twice over Nadal, and beat Federer on grass. By comparison, Robredo had to wait until he was 31 to beat any of the Big4.

    Sure Thiem's result is skewed by surface, but he's an impressive big match player.
    For me Thiem is still the better player than Zverev who massively disappoints in the big matches (other than his fluke win over unrecognisable Joker in Rome), but I can conceive that this will change.
     
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    Really? That's the one thing that hasn't particularly impressed me. Too many DFs in his last 2 matches, and he almost tossed a game away to Shapo last night because of them. He did great to battle back in that game, but a better returner (like say Federer) would likely make him pay.
     
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    Good to see you embrace the Zvev. You were critical of him before, right?

    He's just a very solid player. I still think he needs to develop much more variety. I haven't been impressed with his tactics lately. He just hits topspin up the middle and waits for an opportunity to unload on the CC BH. I'd like to see more slice and better approach shots. Maybe his movement is not good enough to approach and get into net more explosively.
     
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    CRoss reference IW QF 2016. Zverev basically had Nadal beaten and misses 3.5 level volley on match point. Granted, 2017 Nadal is better, but Zverev can definitely do it on a fast court like Cincy or Shanghai.
     
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    o_O

    He played 2 atrocious slam SF's.
     
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    Reaching semi in a slam is a pretty incredible thing to do. Sasha has not done that yet.
     
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  29. mike danny

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    I'm not saying it's not a great thing to do, I'm saying that Thiem is terrible in big matches, which slam semis are.
     
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    Think using a word terrible for a player that has come that far is a bit harsh.
     
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    Its not like thiem played scrubs in those two semi finals either....lol
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    Thiem would be the one who'll start smashing Nadal starting next year
     
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    Yea it's honestly a boreFEST. He's the next gen but if everyone plays like him were gonna lose people fast. There's no pizzazz or magic. He doesn't make you watch in awe like shapovalovs game.
     
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    Thiem is terrible once he gets to the big matches. That's exactly my point. He has reached 2 semis and got trashed in both.

    I don't care that his opponents were Djoker and Rafa. If Thiem was so good in big matches, he would have found a way to at least make those semis competitive. But he got destroyed quite easily.
     
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    Zverev could be the next Nole. He has shown similar brilliant as Nole when he was at 20, winning the Master and beating the top players.
     
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    Really gonna turn off adrenaline junkies used to getting their thrills from the likes of Djokovic and Murray.
     
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    Excellent point. Sasha has said 10 times this week that he's "put on 20 pounds of muscle in the last year," but he's never made a dent in a major. No doubt he will do so soon, but there's almost no chance of him winning the USO next month. He's just not ready physically or emotionally. He showed signs of real frustration against Denis last night and got nervous multiple times. So if he's mini choking against an 18 year old challenger-level player in the semis of a 1000, what do you think he'll be in a USO final against Fed or Nadal??
     
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    And he has an irritating sense of entitlement when he plays. As McEnroe so famously told Becker in 1985 when Boris was strutting around acting the big man, "you have to win something before you act that way, buddy." Three months later, Boris won Wimbledon.:eek:

    Sasha has had a great year, but until he starts winning majors, he needs to tone down the fist pumping and arrogance. It rubs a lot of fans the wrong way. Denis has the vastly superior attitude and is so much more fun to watch.
     
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    Azev will have his time to shine. He looks to be the best of the new group for now.

    He's playing good at the right time. Nole, Murray and even Nadal are not at their best.
    DelPo isn't there yet, Dimitrov dropped down some, Roanic too, Ferrer is getting old, Dolgo used to be more consistent and threatening at times.
    Wawrinka not there.

    It's a good time to look good but the competition is pretty weak.
     
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  40. mike danny

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    Nole already had 2 GS SF's before winning Montreal in 2007.
     
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    kid Z definitely needs to improve his timing on those fist-pumps.
     
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    Sascha will finish YE #3, mark my words. Thiem is useless on faster surfaces.
     
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    Agree. His serve is already better than Djokovic. (Of course still need to see it in the late rounds of a major)

    He seems to have that 'it' - want to win titles; not just in it for the cars/chicks.

    Still needs to get more returns in play. And improve a ton at the net or only go there for the coin toss and to shake hands.
     
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    Sooo,,only pro players allowed to discuss tennis here? Alrighty then, didn't know until now..
     
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    He does feel like the real deal but I want to be cautious and not be a part of the hype. In a year or two, I am sure we'll know where he is truly heading. A slam next year is truly not out of the realm. He's just doing the ground work this year or so it feels.
     
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    I agree with that. I don't think in the long run just two or three guys winning week after week is good for the future of tennis, but that seems to be changing FAST...
     
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    2 M1000's is no joke. But the slam performance is so head-scratching.
     
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    Good, we've talked so much about a new "real deal" we have one and there's others climbing.
     
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    Best of five says it all. He cant put it together yet...

    Some bad loses in there

    He is only 20 and he is literally the only coming up player tennis has so he could be a 10 grand slam winner after the Big 4 + 1 retire
     
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    Isn't he the real deal already?
     
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