Zverev: Medvedev #1 Player in the World

Meles

Bionic Poster
This is true. His serve has much more potential at that height and at that point, he’ll be very, very difficult to defeat in any match since he already is right now. He would have won the USO final without too many difficulties with a maxed out serve,

Also, Zverev’s and service hold %s don’t make any sense. This guy blasts it out wide at 132 mph and gets broken left and right by nobodies. It’s obvious the future is with 6’4+ giants on tour.
Zedrot won 25% of 2nd serve points today. :sneaky:

The one cloud I can think of is these tall guys need every drop of speed and probably about a year from now Medvedev will have peaked on speed, so the serve improvements will counteract the slow speed decline from age 25 onward. Medvedev clearly already has slam efficiency so I'm not sure what he gains with even more stamina in strength into his late 20's and even early 30's with stamina. Probably will make peak Djokovic like Masters 1000 domination very possible.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
First of all, hate the mentality of Zverev to hype his opponent before getting beat. Of course I’m sure he’d love for the Big 3 to fall off, Med as emperor would likely spot him a couple slams in the next few years.

Med likely can be number 1 though, for 3 reasons: 1) He’s peaking at the right time, as the Big 3 lost another step this year and are not getting younger. 2) He’s got it between the ears where his contemporaries do not. 3) No major weaknesses in his game.

That said, Novak is not dead and neither really are Fedal. And he’s tall and plays defensive, no one knows how his body will hold up.


You act like living up to a top 3 seed is an easy assumption, ask Zverev how automatic it was after he hit #3.
It is very hard to play to your seed. I'm just showing the gap can be closed without winning a major or in fact any Masters 1000 in 2020.;) I've edited my post above and Medvedev has an 850 point cushion with those results so he can fail to live up to his seed quite a bit.
 
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topher

Hall of Fame
It is very hard to play to your seed. I'm just showing the gap can be closed without winning a major.

That makes sense, but never factor out Novak. He wants that weeks at #1 record. If Rafa gets injured or underperforms, Med won’t be the only tiger waiting in the tall grass.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
What are their records against him in 5 set matches?
All I know is, Djoker has the worst record against the NextGen of the FAB3. I know he beat Shaps in 4 sets in AO 2019 other than that, I don't know if he's played any of the others in a slam which would be lucky for him as he has such a terrible record against them.
 

DSH

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Zedrot won 25% of 2nd serve points today. :sneaky:

The one cloud I can think of is these tall guys need every drop of speed and probably about a year from now Medvedev will have peaked on speed, so the serve improvements will counteract the slow speed decline from age 25 onward. Medvedev clearly already has slam efficiency so I'm not sure what he gains with even more stamina in strength into his late 20's and even early 30's with stamina. Probably will make peak Djokovic like Masters 1000 domination very possible.

Do you see Medvedev having a longer career than Safin?
Remember that Marat retired from tennis when he was under 30 years old.
Being of similar size both Russian players, and knowing the innumerable physical problems that players of that height suffer throughout their career, do you think that Meddy can avoid that amount of injuries such as the aforementioned Safin, DelPotro, Krajicek and others of similar characteristics?
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Do you see Medvedev having a longer career than Safin?
Remember that Marat retired from tennis when he was under 30 years old.
Being of similar size both Russian players, and knowing the innumerable physical problems that players of that height suffer throughout their career, do you think that Meddy can avoid that amount of injuries such as the aforementioned Safin, DelPotro, Krajicek and others of similar characteristics?
Medvedev is likely to do very well on the injury front. His style just conserves energy as far as expenditure per stroke, plus as his serve improves that will take off strain as well. Six finals in a row and mind you he was on fumes at the US Open the whole way and nearly won it.:love: I would not fear injuries like the players you mention.
 
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DSH

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Medvedev is likely to do very well on the injury front. His style just conserves energy as far as expenditure per stroke, plus as his serve improves that will take off strain as well. Six finals in a row and mind you he was on fumes at the US Open the whole way and nearly won it.:love: I would not fear injuries like the players you mention.

I hope a Medal year in 2020.
:)




Bye Joker!
 

Zardoz7/12

Hall of Fame
It's true what Medvedev said though. We've all been wanting to see fresh faces in the top of tennis, we're getting what we want.
 

undecided

Semi-Pro
Rafa will probably gain huge points in the clay season, because he can do far better than what he did this year :)
And I doubt Rafa will lose points at the AO anyway, considering how consistent he's been at slams recently..... its almost a given that he'll made the semis or final.
Also, Medvedev isn't as close to beating Rafa as you think.....this year they met at Canada and Rafa won 63 60, and they met at the USO and Rafa was up 2 sets to love and a break!
Yeah but Meds changed his game at that point and he should have won it after that. Rafa was spent
 

DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
Medal lol, that's going to be confusing especially when as 1 and 2 seeds they only play in finals. My first thought was Olympics. Medvedal? Very close medieval which suits these two warriors.;)

Medvedal sounds better than Named!
:eek::oops::rolleyes:o_O
 

yokied

Hall of Fame
Well, Old King Noel's plan to manage the pressure is going OK if this thread is anything to go by. Such a merry old soul he was having a bit of a trot around Shanghai and packing up before the SF... He may well enter the AO as second favourite, which would be a huge achievement after winning AO19 and WB19 plus a whole bunch of BO3 tournies and maybe even finishing 2019 as #1 too.

The Great Fan Migration.

I think you'll find some Fed fans going to Med. For starters, he is the one most likely to stop some of the Fedfans' most hated: Rot (ABZ) and Noel. I'm a bit torn because I'd prefer to see Noel overtake Fed rather than the Nadal limp over the line with another FO. But I prefer Med's game and personality to all the "stable" alternatives in the top 30. So if Med shuts down Noel and leaves the Rusty Peak Just Injured Withdrawn Subdued and Hitched Golden Bull to limp to 21 or beyond, I guess I'll just have to stomach it.

One of the reasons Med is winning so much is that he is misunderstood. He can push and does it a lot but Med's racquet work is actually some of the most skilful. He hits the flattest, plays a huge number of shots per match while making virtually zero errors - and he's winning everything in sight. It's not the low UE count that matters here, it's his low FE count (that I don't have access to anyway). He pulls off all sorts of amazing shots from defensive and off-balance positions, all touch and improvised, point after point.

He has very few, if any, patterns to expose, there are no "weapons" to dismantle. He adjusts a lot based on the last ten points or so and is constantly recalculating based on his opponent's movement and behaviour over the last few points. He is the greatest junkballer I've ever seen, and by some margin over the likes of Simon and (when they're in the mood) Fed, Novak and Kyrgios. You can't dismantle the ATP hitting flat unless you have simply immense skills and concentration.

Seeing opponents crumble before your very eyes is the most satisfying experience in sport and whether it's because you're blasting them off the court or junk balling them into extinction, it doesn't matter. I actually prefer to watch opponents slowly implode, especially botting opponents like Zedrot.

Sissy may have some skills but they're behind Med, plus he's a ******, so I'll take Med thanks. And if it was up to me, The Gold Muncher Ab Cruncher Rot's f***ing time will never be now.
 

airchallenge2

Hall of Fame
It's easier to have a great 1/4 of a season than keeping it at that level. Cilic said that if he could play all the time the way he did when he won US Open, he'd be number one. And Medvedev didn't even win it. He got close though.
 

Wurm

Professional
Do you see Medvedev having a longer career than Safin?
Remember that Marat retired from tennis when he was under 30 years old.
Being of similar size both Russian players, and knowing the innumerable physical problems that players of that height suffer throughout their career, do you think that Meddy can avoid that amount of injuries such as the aforementioned Safin, DelPotro, Krajicek and others of similar characteristics?

Medvedev has a slimmer build than those guys so we'll have to wait and see if that makes a difference.

Also, Safin was maybe not the most... focused... tennis player the world's ever seen.
 

UnderratedSlam

G.O.A.T.
Well, Old King Noel's plan to manage the pressure is going OK if this thread is anything to go by. Such a merry old soul he was having a bit of a trot around Shanghai and packing up before the SF... He may well enter the AO as second favourite, which would be a huge achievement after winning AO19 and WB19 plus a whole bunch of BO3 tournies and maybe even finishing 2019 as #1 too.



I think you'll find some Fed fans going to Med. For starters, he is the one most likely to stop some of the Fedfans' most hated: Rot (ABZ) and Noel. I'm a bit torn because I'd prefer to see Noel overtake Fed rather than the Nadal limp over the line with another FO. But I prefer Med's game and personality to all the "stable" alternatives in the top 30. So if Med shuts down Noel and leaves the Rusty Peak Just Injured Withdrawn Subdued and Hitched Golden Bull to limp to 21 or beyond, I guess I'll just have to stomach it.

One of the reasons Med is winning so much is that he is misunderstood. He can push and does it a lot but Med's racquet work is actually some of the most skilful. He hits the flattest, plays a huge number of shots per match while making virtually zero errors - and he's winning everything in sight. It's not the low UE count that matters here, it's his low FE count (that I don't have access to anyway). He pulls off all sorts of amazing shots from defensive and off-balance positions, all touch and improvised, point after point.

He has very few, if any, patterns to expose, there are no "weapons" to dismantle. He adjusts a lot based on the last ten points or so and is constantly recalculating based on his opponent's movement and behaviour over the last few points. He is the greatest junkballer I've ever seen, and by some margin over the likes of Simon and (when they're in the mood) Fed, Novak and Kyrgios. You can't dismantle the ATP hitting flat unless you have simply immense skills and concentration.

Seeing opponents crumble before your very eyes is the most satisfying experience in sport and whether it's because you're blasting them off the court or junk balling them into extinction, it doesn't matter. I actually prefer to watch opponents slowly implode, especially botting opponents like Zedrot.

Sissy may have some skills but they're behind Med, plus he's a ******, so I'll take Med thanks. And if it was up to me, The Gold Muncher Ab Cruncher Rot's f***ing time will never be now.
Good post, agree about your analysis of Bearerer's game. But I'm not sure who some of the nicknames apply to. It was like a riddle solving these names.
 

Gazelle

G.O.A.T.
Six finales in a row, including a slam and three M1000s.

That's ATG at the beginning of a career, right there. Zero doubts. He will dominate.

Unless someone can find me a non-ATG who ever achieved that...

Roddick had a similar great run, and he won his USO final. Don't think he's considered ATG, but of course he got thwarted by Federer. Meanwhile Medvedev seems to own everyone of his own generation, so the moment Nadal drops off he has free game.
 

UnderratedSlam

G.O.A.T.
Roddick had a similar great run, and he won his USO final. Don't think he's considered ATG, but of course he got thwarted by Federer. Meanwhile Medvedev seems to own everyone of his own generation, so the moment Nadal drops off he has free game.
Can't be bothered to check Roddicks stats, but I doubt he had more than 4 finales in a row during his 2003 run.

Obviously, he did the Summer Sweep, just him and Rafter and Nadal.
 

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
I'd prefer to see Noel overtake Fed rather than the Nadal limp over the line with another FO. But I prefer Med's game and personality to all the "stable" alternatives in the top 30. So if Med shuts down Noel and leaves the Rusty Peak Just Injured Withdrawn Subdued and Hitched Golden Bull to limp to 21 or beyond, I guess I'll just have to stomach it.

I literally change my mind every day on this. I've always thought I would prefer Djoko if anyone's going to do it but I can also see reasons why it would be better if it was Nadal.
 

yokied

Hall of Fame
Good post, agree about your analysis of Bearerer's game. But I'm not sure who some of the nicknames apply to. It was like a riddle solving these names.

Old (ie Young) King Noel = Djokovic
Rot, Zedrot, Gold Muncher Ab Cruncher Rot = Zverev
Rusty Peak Just Injured Withdrawn Subdued and Hitched Golden Bull = Nadal
Fred = Federer
Sissy = Tsitsipas

I literally change my mind every day on this. I've always thought I would prefer Djoko if anyone's going to do it but I can also see reasons why it would be better if it was Nadal.

Yeah there are meritorious arguments for both. The Nadal did at least beat peaky primy Fed.
 

UnderratedSlam

G.O.A.T.
Medvedev has a slimmer build than those guys so we'll have to wait and see if that makes a difference.

Also, Safin was maybe not the most... focused... tennis player the world's ever seen.
Safin belongs to the genus kyrgiosus doofus. Medvedev is far above that silly species of player, far more professional. No comparison.
 
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Medvedev can't even win a 5-setter.
No surprise, Zverev admires that :)
In fact when Medvedev played Rafa in best-of-3-sets (at Canada 2019) Rafa won 63 60!
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Well, Old King Noel's plan to manage the pressure is going OK if this thread is anything to go by. Such a merry old soul he was having a bit of a trot around Shanghai and packing up before the SF... He may well enter the AO as second favourite, which would be a huge achievement after winning AO19 and WB19 plus a whole bunch of BO3 tournies and maybe even finishing 2019 as #1 too.



I think you'll find some Fed fans going to Med. For starters, he is the one most likely to stop some of the Fedfans' most hated: Rot (ABZ) and Noel. I'm a bit torn because I'd prefer to see Noel overtake Fed rather than the Nadal limp over the line with another FO. But I prefer Med's game and personality to all the "stable" alternatives in the top 30. So if Med shuts down Noel and leaves the Rusty Peak Just Injured Withdrawn Subdued and Hitched Golden Bull to limp to 21 or beyond, I guess I'll just have to stomach it.

One of the reasons Med is winning so much is that he is misunderstood. He can push and does it a lot but Med's racquet work is actually some of the most skilful. He hits the flattest, plays a huge number of shots per match while making virtually zero errors - and he's winning everything in sight. It's not the low UE count that matters here, it's his low FE count (that I don't have access to anyway). He pulls off all sorts of amazing shots from defensive and off-balance positions, all touch and improvised, point after point.

He has very few, if any, patterns to expose, there are no "weapons" to dismantle. He adjusts a lot based on the last ten points or so and is constantly recalculating based on his opponent's movement and behaviour over the last few points. He is the greatest junkballer I've ever seen, and by some margin over the likes of Simon and (when they're in the mood) Fed, Novak and Kyrgios. You can't dismantle the ATP hitting flat unless you have simply immense skills and concentration.

Seeing opponents crumble before your very eyes is the most satisfying experience in sport and whether it's because you're blasting them off the court or junk balling them into extinction, it doesn't matter. I actually prefer to watch opponents slowly implode, especially botting opponents like Zedrot.

Sissy may have some skills but they're behind Med, plus he's a ******, so I'll take Med thanks. And if it was up to me, The Gold Muncher Ab Cruncher Rot's f***ing time will never be now.
Hehe. Beautiful poast.
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Meles

Bionic Poster
It's easier to have a great 1/4 of a season than keeping it at that level. Cilic said that if he could play all the time the way he did when he won US Open, he'd be number one. And Medvedev didn't even win it. He got close though.
The scary thing with the Mad Lad is he can serve at those Cilic US Open levels and has not even been doing it on this streak.o_O Granted he excavated quite a few big 2nd serves against Nole, something Cryic has never done. You're really off your rocker comparing the two. Mad Lad >>>>>>>>>> Cryic
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
I literally change my mind every day on this. I've always thought I would prefer Djoko if anyone's going to do it but I can also see reasons why it would be better if it was Nadal.
Bah. Mad Lad is going to be like Fed's goon taking out Nole and Rafa for him. 21-22 slams now in reach.;)
 
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Bah. Mad Lad is going to be like Fed's goon taking out Nole and Rafa for him. 21-22 slams now in reach.;)
Bar's been set too high now for the goon squad. :cry:

They'll have to rebrand them as "Crams". o_O:oops:
 
All I know is, Djoker has the worst record against the NextGen of the FAB3. I know he beat Shaps in 4 sets in AO 2019 other than that, I don't know if he's played any of the others in a slam which would be lucky for him as he has such a terrible record against them.
Played chacha zverev at this year's RG, where the german played a good level of tennis until getting break at 4-4 in 1st set, going up 5-4 30-15, two points away from serving out the set; and then he suddenly remembered who he is.
 
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Deleted member 763691

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Remind me, have Novak or Nadal ever won the US Open completely gassed after playing Washington to Cincinnati?;)
Well, Rafa won 2013 US Open after winning 2013 Canada and 2013 Cincy, including 2 wins over Djokovic (at Canada and USO) and a win over Federer (at Cincy).....
Medvedev wasn't gassed at all at the US Open.
In fact in the 5th Set, Medvedev looked more full of energy than Rafa was, so Rafa shortened the points with pure skill :)
 
Well, Rafa won 2013 US Open after winning 2013 Canada and 2013 Cincy, including 2 wins over Djokovic (at Canada and USO) and a win over Federer (at Cincy).....
Medvedev wasn't gassed at all at the US Open.
In fact in the 5th Set, Medvedev looked more full of energy than Rafa was, so Rafa shortened the points with pure skill :)

Rafa elongated the match to a decider with pure choke
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Well, Rafa won 2013 US Open after winning 2013 Canada and 2013 Cincy, including 2 wins over Djokovic (at Canada and USO) and a win over Federer (at Cincy).....
Medvedev wasn't gassed at all at the US Open.
In fact in the 5th Set, Medvedev looked more full of energy than Rafa was, so Rafa shortened the points with pure skill :)
He was gassed the whole event:
35 / 2019 US Open
F Hard Rafael Nadal Daniil Medvedev 7-5 6-3 5-7 4-6 6-4 H2H
SF Hard Daniil Medvedev Grigor Dimitrov 7-6(5) 6-4 6-3 H2H
QF Hard Daniil Medvedev Stan Wawrinka 7-6(6) 6-3 3-6 6-1 H2H
R16 Hard Daniil Medvedev Dominik Koepfer 3-6 6-3 6-2 7-6(2) H2H
R32 Hard Daniil Medvedev Feliciano Lopez 7-6(1) 4-6 7-6(7) 6-4 H2H
R64 Hard Daniil Medvedev Hugo Dellien 6-3 7-5 5-7 6-3 H2H
R128 Hard Daniil Medvedev Prajnesh Gunneswaran 6-4 6-1 6-2

Mad Lad is usually a straight sets kind of guy. ;) It did help him quite a bit having the extra day off before Dimitrov.
 

airchallenge2

Hall of Fame
The scary thing with the Mad Lad is he can serve at those Cilic US Open levels and has not even been doing it on this streak.o_O Granted he excavated quite a few big 2nd serves against Nole, something Cryic has never done. You're really off your rocker comparing the two. Mad Lad >>>>>>>>>> Cryic

Unfortunately you missed the point of my post: it was about maintaining the super high level of tennis. That's the real challenge for Medvedev right now.
 
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