Zverev out of Acapulco

[liriel]

The images are bad. My mum saw it and was genuinely surprised and she lived through well.. different gen. Zverev is his own worst enemy. His ex accused him it went hush hush. Still golden boy.
So he decided to do this during a doubles match that is not important?

 

[Mike Sams]

He seems to have anger management issues. Hmm...... maybe there's actually something real behind those domestic abuse allegations....

Come on. All these tennis players are the same including the women. They all have anger management issues. Have you seen the way Serena Williams have reacted on the court towards umpires and lineswomen? Let's not even talk about Medvedev's treatment of the ball kids, Tsitsipas assaulting his own father with his racquet, Safin going ballistic, etc, etc. Even Nadal was cursing in Spanish and then confronted the umpire for being given a warning for foul language. Nadal didn't realize that one of the linespeople spoke Spanish

 

[MiamiWeekendWarrior]

Come on. All these tennis players are the same including the women. They all have anger management issues. Have you seen the way Serena Williams have reacted on the court towards umpires and lineswomen? Let's not even talk about Medvedev's treatment of the ball kids, Tsitsipas assaulting his own father with his racquet, Safin going ballistic, etc, etc. Even Nadal was cursing in Spanish and then confronted the umpire for being given a warning for foul language. Nadal didn't realize that one of the linespeople spoke Spanish

That's a lot different than violence toward an official. There's a difference between getting heated during an intense match and not being able to control yourself and resorting to violence. This is a bit beyond swatting a ball or breaking a racquet or arguing with an umpire.

 

[big ted]

well at least you cant say he doesnt care about doubles

 

[Sixpounder]

He couldnt challenge the call? All this over a 500 level doubles match?

 

[sliceroni]

Maybe a tactic to avoid getting smashed by Nadal.

 

[Stercules]

You’re missing the point. Defaulting him and a fine that means nothing to a rich man is not the right message. A penalty that hurts is the way to go.
Minimalising thuggish aggressive behaviour is not a good look.

The point is people want him to receive a penalty as if he legit attacked the guy. He hit a chair

 

[brinkeguthrie]

Not as good as this one from Mac.

 

[ChaelAZ]

The guy is obviously OK w/using physical force on people who upset him. So the DV stuff is now a lot easier to believe.

Yep. Sure doesn't help his case to just blow up like that.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Please help us tennis Gods and never let this guy be the world number 1 and represent our sport in that way

 

[rovex]

Unbelievable. He’s not even a double’s player. Such low key event. Why the need

 

[StringStrungStrang]

Why is it that tennis of all sports allows such thug behavior towards referees. Imagine a player doing something similar in a sport like rugby. He´d be happy not to be banned for life. Yet in tennis it is allowed without any real consequences. The whole sport is so rotten it is unbelievable. What is most sickening is how the spectators, mainly kids, are still begging for his racket after the incident.

Players need to be held accountable for their actions. This is lacking on court and in our daily lives as of late.

 

[Visionary]

I once attended a Connors-McEnroe match in Scotland and the language they used was extraordinary.

Tickets to such matches ought to come with headphones for minors; in some cases with blinders as well.

 

[ElChivoEspañol]

Watched the video and..w…t….f….

that is deserving of some suspension time for sure.

 

[Visionary]

The language isn't the problem. Even Sharapova has used salty language. Don't you remember her infamous "allez up your f*ck!ng a$s" line? It's the blatant violence towards an official.

Now that we're talking about an adult entertainment there

 

[Justin Side]

So glad Thiem saved tennis in 2020.

 

[gogo]

Again I think his departure for some time would be a positive thing for all concerned parties. However in the end of the day he missed the umpire so I don't think a suspension is warranted. As it stands, players who have actually hit refs/umpires in the eye/throat haven't been banned/suspended at all so doing this to Zverev would be somewhat unfair. I think it was more than fair to DQ him from the tournament FWIW.

"he missed the umpire"...really? That is your bar? The umpire didn't know if the next strike was going to hit him and he likely would have been hit if he hadn't reacted by raising his feet.

This was major physical intimidation with possible harm. But, yeah, 'he missed'.
He absolutely deserves a suspension. In what other sport would this be allowed? Why should an umpire fear for his physical safety?

 

[gogo]

Zverev is very talented and a great player and fun to watch IMO.

And, your point is...??
This should allow him to physically intimidate an official?? Who cares whether he is talented or not.
Stop being an enabler.

 

[onehandbh]

Umpires should wear steel toe boots from now on.

 

[Rattler]

He couldnt challenge the call? All this over a 500 level doubles match?

my thoughts exactly, either the team was out of challenges or the court doesn’t have challenge system available.

 

[gogo]

He hit the umpire's chair. He didn't hit the umpire. Shapovalov hit the umpire in the eye with a tennis ball. That was far worse.

Seriously??
A 17 year old kid hits a ball in frustration and it inadvertantly hits the umpire. Compare this to a grown-up a** man who approaches and physically intimidates an official, who likely would have been hurt if he didn't do a defensive move. And, then Zverev sat down and came back for more.
Accident vs intention.
You seen sympathetic to bullies.

 

[El_Yotamo]

"he missed the umpire"...really? That is your bar? The umpire didn't know if the next strike was going to hit him and he likely would have been hit if he hadn't reacted by raising his feet.

This was major physical intimidation with possible harm. But, yeah, 'he missed'.
He absolutely deserves a suspension. In what other sport would this be allowed? Why should an umpire fear for his physical safety?

This is the last time I'll be responding to one of these as this is getting exhausting. Please see my previous responses which I have quoted here:

If you say so. I'll be the last person to defend Zverev if such action was taken. I'm just saying I don't think it'll happen

Look, there's no need to get so aggressive here, I wasn't defending Zverev or supporting him in any way.

In fact, I think you may have missed the larger point which I was trying to make here, which is that while Zverev's temporary departure from the game would be a good thing for everyone, I do not believe the ATP will take such action based on what I've seen them do up until now. That's all, no need to get so hostile over it.

Now, seriously, and this goes to anyone reading this (not just those who quoted me after I had already made responses to others):
Please, it is important to learn to read through things before going on self-righteous rampages. Reading through everything allows one to see any further responses and allows one to either be satisfied by them or disagree with them (and then quote that). Now that you have quoted me here, I cannot know which it is and this makes the task of corresponding and explaining myself again and again very arduous and tiring. If you don't feel like reading through all the way, then don't respond as if you know fully what's going on. I get that on sites like these it's easy to misunderstand or get triggered by things and immediately run to the keyboard but seriously if you're already spending time on here at least spend it correctly and check that what you're writing/responding to isn't obsolete.

Sincerely,
Tired of people @-ing me with the same stuff.

 

[fishpiefriday]

That's going to follow him for the rest of his career now. Very petulant and stupid heat of the moment thing that I'm certain he already regrets. Absolute ***** of a guy.

 

[gogo]

This is the last time I'll be responding to one of these as this is getting exhausting. Please see my previous responses which I have quoted here:



Now, seriously, and this goes to anyone reading this (not just those who quoted me after I had already made responses to others):
Please, it is important to learn to read through things before going on self-righteous rampages. Reading through everything allows one to see any further responses and allows one to either be satisfied by them or disagree with them (and then quote that). Now that you have quoted me here, I cannot know which it is and this makes the task of corresponding and explaining myself again and again very arduous and tiring. If you don't feel like reading through all the way, then don't respond as if you know fully what's going on. I get that on sites like these it's easy to misunderstand or get triggered by things and immediately run to the keyboard but seriously if you're already spending time on here at least spend it correctly and check that what you're writing/responding to isn't obsolete.

Sincerely,
Tired of people @-ing me with the same stuff.

Sorry I inconvenienced you.
I read a few pages further and didn't see anyone calling you out. So I did. I thought it was a valid point.
And now I see that you are saying that you weren't defending him. But I don't see you justifying your view that he shouldn't be suspended.
I, just like you, don't want to go through pages and pages of comments looking to see if you did say something else. Do you stand by your comment that Zed doesn't deserve suspension?
Thank you for saving me time.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Sorry I inconvenienced you.
I read a few pages further and didn't see anyone calling you out. So I did. I thought it was a valid point.
And now I see that you are saying that you weren't defending him. But I don't see you justifying your view that he shouldn't be suspended.
I, just like you, don't want to go through pages and pages of comments looking to see if you did say something else. Do you stand by your comment that Zed doesn't deserve suspension?
Thank you for saving me time.

@gogo totally slaying like a boss!

P.S. Happy your guy won his first title.

 

[gogo]

@gogo totally slaying like a boss!

P.S. Happy your guy won his first title.

Thank you @BeatlesFan
I have to say I wasn't trying to 'slay' el-Yatomo. I was just defending myself in a case where I thought I was being reasonable.
I embrace different views, but I expect people to defend those views if they are going to dump on others.

I'm sure he was just getting frustrated at having to defend himself. It definitely IS difficult to keep track of all of the posts.

And, yes, I'm thrilled that Felix is doing well. I'd still stand for him even in weakness as he is an incredible role model. He respects others and works hard. He's a much, much better role model than Zverev.

 

[Arak]

I don’t know about this specific case, and I didn’t watch the match, but when I’m watching football, there are many instances where I feel I would love to punch the referee in the face.

 

[BeatlesFan]

I'm thrilled that Felix is doing well. I'd still stand for him even in weakness as he is an incredible role model. He respects others and works hard. He's a much, much better role model than Zverev.

I think everyone on this thread (except overt trolls) would agree with you. Felix is a nice guy and indeed, an incredible role model.

 

[gogo]

I don’t know about this specific case, and I didn’t watch the match, but when I’m watching football, there are many instances where I feel I would love to punch the referee in the face.

But do any of the players actually do it?
I certainly hope not.

 

[Crisstti]

Courier shook the umpires chair in anger at 1993 Miami. It was a big deal for like a day(no twitter etc where everyone in the world saw this footage of a doubles match on court 3 seconds after it ended ). ESPN crew acted like he should be banned for life for like 5 minutes and then forgot about it. Players were lucky then(match wasn't even televised in the US, but they showed the clip during the following day's coverage). I'm always amazed at how Courier is now some lovable member of the media now(who will no doubt be "appalled" by Zverev)

he even said this afterwards, can you imagine?? and people say today's players are tone deaf, clueless etc...

"I had a poor performance and he had a poor performance in the chair," said an unrepentant Courier. "It happened in the heat of the moment; I don't regret anything."

TENNIS; Double-Up and Out For No. 1 Courier (Published 1993)

www.nytimes.com

Amazing with how ease the "heat of the moment" excuse is used... As if it excused anything.

 

[Aabye5]

I think everyone on this thread (except overt trolls) would agree with you. Felix is a nice guy and indeed, an incredible role model.

The hero GoTTam needs...

 

[roysid]

I once attended a Connors-McEnroe match in Scotland and the language they used was extraordinary.

Ha ha..those were the days.
Everyone hated connors in tennis court it seems

 

[Dolgopolov85]

Sorry but all this is biased on your negative opinion you had of Zverev before.

1. Tsonga had all this achieved (minus Olympics and Finals) at 35, Zverev is 24 and counting - you know why he would be considered more successful. I would also consider him more successful than Tsitsipas at this point, making him no.2. But apart from that, being top 5 for that time earns you some hype.

2. There is an investigation ongoing. Just like you probably would wish in case of yourself, there will be an announcement once there is conclusive evidence. Weinstein is a dumb comparison, as he was a serial offender where evidence was actively withheld or destroyed. With Zverev there are two stories and investigators will check which one is true, bear in mind that a court ruling has kept Rothenberg from talking about this already, so it doesn't seem bullet proof right now as was Weinstein's case.

3. I am 100% sure he didn't mean to hit the referee, that's the most ridiculous point in your argumentation here. He might have neglected the risk and generally, swinging at the chair is just a complete rubbish move - but it's not like he wanted to actively hit him.

I understand you guys hate him - I can see why - but to now all run for almost murder charges is beyond ridiculous. Let him be fined, he was defaulted and then let's see what happens

Weinstein left his role based off the investigation of NYT and other media outlets, not after the police found him guilty. So I am not holding Zverev to an unrealistic standard. Rather you are almost begging players to hit the umpire because anything short of it, no matter how dangerous, is peanuts to you. I do understand that if you address this thread from a position of extreme fanboism for Zverev, everybody else looks like 'haters' to you even when we're just pointing out that what he did was way more dangerous than Djokovic. YOU would agree if you were in that chair but you weren't so you are sitting pretty and defending that git.

As for Tsonga? He beat prime Dal in a slam. Also prime or close to prime Fed in 2011. Get back to me when your boy does something comparable. Given a tour as shambolic as the one Zverev is feasting on, Tsonga would run up much better numbers because he could go toe to toe once in a while against the Big Three back when they were younger and stronger than today.

 

[El_Yotamo]

Sorry I inconvenienced you.
I read a few pages further and didn't see anyone calling you out. So I did. I thought it was a valid point.
And now I see that you are saying that you weren't defending him. But I don't see you justifying your view that he shouldn't be suspended.
I, just like you, don't want to go through pages and pages of comments looking to see if you did say something else. Do you stand by your comment that Zed doesn't deserve suspension?
Thank you for saving me time.

If you don't wanna read all the replies to ensure you aren't replying in a way that's reptetitive, please don't do so in the future. At the very least, not with me...

I can tell you're more reasonable than most posters here so I'll indulge you once more.

As I said (and quoted above), it is not a matter of what I believe in but rather a matter of what I think will happen when I say Zverev should not be suspended. I say this on the basis of other notable abuses which I have witnessed on the court that did not result in suspensions or bans.

Now, you want to know whether I personally believe he deserves it, and tbh I was never on here to talk about that that. I came and made what I thought would be a rather forgettable comment about how Zverev should leave tennis and yet somehow people believe that I defended him (I guess those people must have also missed my posts on the ABZ thread). Now I'm a practical person, and realize that writing what I think is right or wrong on an internet forum won't get anything done. Still, I think Zverev should leave tennis for a while so as I said, I'll be happy if he gets the suspension, and I won't lose any sleep over it if he doesn't. We've seen this kind of thing play out so often recently where the sanctioning a player receives after behaving disgracefully on court doesn't match their behavior, so tbh I've become somewhat indifferent to it all.

I hope this reply satisfies you, and if it doesn't then quite frankly I don't really have the energy to continue talking about this topic.

 

[Mike Sams]

And, your point is...??
This should allow him to physically intimidate an official?? Who cares whether he is talented or not.
Stop being an enabler.

Everyone always says the sport needs villains. Not a bunch of fake goody 2 shoes all pretending to be friends. Now that you get a few good villains, people are whining and moaning

 

[speedysteve]

Not as good as this one from Mac.

Remember his outbursts well.

Mc should have done a pirouette, bowed and left.
That would have been class.

 

[Aabye5]

Mad Alex - Fury Road Home

 

[TheNachoMan]

Probably won’t be suspended

Alexander Zverez fined $40k, loses prize money and ranking points after outburst in Mexican Open

ATP will conduct further review of Zverevs actions in Mexico and German could yet face further sanctions after being fined, losing his prize money and being docked ranking points; world No 3 struck umpires chair four times in Acapulco and was booted out of the tournament

www.skysports.com

 

[I Am Finnish]

Probably won’t be suspended

Alexander Zverez fined $40k, loses prize money and ranking points after outburst in Mexican Open

ATP will conduct further review of Zverevs actions in Mexico and German could yet face further sanctions after being fined, losing his prize money and being docked ranking points; world No 3 struck umpires chair four times in Acapulco and was booted out of the tournament

www.skysports.com

ABZ in utter ruins if you're right

 

[Thriller]

Not surprised. The ATP are #smallcats when it comes to tour discipline.

 

[TennisTurkey]

Pathetic slap on the wrist

 

[DSH]

What. A. Tool. I've heard from multiple people that zverev is a nightmare to work with. completely arrogant. always late to practices. The way that some of these guys (kyrgios, zverev, shapo, meddy) talk to umpires is 100 percent disrespectful and hard to watch. No one holds them accountable. Sad.

Ball looked in too..

The large amount of money they have earned has made them insensitive towards others.
And they believe that they deserve everything, even reaching physical violence, as has been the case with Zverev.

 

[Bartelby]

His penalty seems excessive, if anything, at 70k plus ranking points.

 

[DSH]

Everyone always says the sport needs villains. Not a bunch of fake goody 2 shoes all pretending to be friends. Now that you get a few good villains, people are whining and moaning

He is not a villain but an *******!

 

[The_Order]

They need to make an example out of him to set the tone for other idiots that will otherwise commit similar behaviour...

Just look at that other idiot Tsits with his dad...

Ban him till the clay season I say.

 

[Bambooman]

The point is people want him to receive a penalty as if he legit attacked the guy. He hit a chair

Too close for comfort though. Another smack and the racquet could have wrapped around the metal.

 

[kishnabe]

Puzzled, why would he get angry over a Doubles Match. Chump Change for him.

 

[gogo]

His penalty seems excessive, if anything, at 70k plus ranking points.

Excessive?
The fine is but a tiny blip for him.
A suspension is needed unless @atptour doesn't care for rules or their employees. NO official should EVER be intimidated like this.
That you think it was excessive (this fine is modest in terms of Zed's earnings) tells us everything we need to know about you. It is apparently open season on tennis officials.

 

[gogo]

Excessive?
The fine is but a tiny blip for him.
A suspension is needed unless @atptour doesn't care for rules or their employees. NO official should EVER be intimidated like this.
That you think it was excessive (this fine is modest in terms of Zed's earnings) tells us everything we need to know about you. It is apparently open season on tennis officials.

Oh, and @Bartelby aren't you the guy that defends Putin?

I guess bullies are your besties.

 

[gogo]

Come on. All these tennis players are the same including the women. They all have anger management issues. Have you seen the way Serena Williams have reacted on the court tow"ards umpires and lineswomen? Let's not even talk about Medvedev's treatment of the ball kids, Tsitsipas assaulting his own father with his racquet, Safin going ballistic, etc, etc. Even Nadal was cursing in Spanish and then confronted the umpire for being given a warning for foul language. Nadal didn't realize that one of the linespeople spoke Spanish

Not sure what your point is. I guess it's "everybody is doing it so it's ok." I hope you aren't a parent, because you definitely couldn't be a good role model.
And, I don't think they are all on the same level. How many have swung a racquet at an official?

But, yeah, keep justifying violence.