Zverev playing the gravity or just a PJ

sanister said:
For the YT IG Speeds, beam width is written on the lower part of outside hoop not inside throat.

And it isn't 20mm, like you are saying. It is 22mm, it says on the racquet right there.

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If anything, even Head advertised this at 22mm which is different beam size than the advertised 20mm of Gravity.

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Multiple posters by now have suggested here these are different molds but you guys keep on insisting something that isn't true. You guys try to be snarky and take up condescending tones when people genuinely told you that molds aren't same. I told you I have both sticks, and so did multiple other guys and you guys continued to deny everything only going by what one guy allegedly in the know thinks is right.

I don't know how long you would like to keep playing this game here, Howard. I know you said in one of your snarky posts a few days ago that I don't know anything about racquets etc etc, but thought I'd put this out here anyway for everyone to decide for themselves. Are you going to apologise to me for that unbecoming comment now?
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I believe the photo above is of the Graphene speed model following the one which is claimed to be the same.

I hope to have zero snark, hope this finds you well.
 
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moon shot said:
I believe the photo above is of the Graphene speed model following the one which is claimed to be the same.

I hope to have zero snark, hope this finds you well.
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Ok if that is the case I apologise for my emotional post. I did not take to some comments earlier kindly, as you can probably tell.
 
Except it doesn't cost anyone to be kind regardless of how big of an "expert" you claim to be, and people who condone this kind of behavior making sweeping statements without knowing what actually transpired, are equally responsible for the whole mess. If you are taking potshots at someone just because you think you know more, or are more knowledgeable than the next person, you have much bigger problems you need to worry about.
 
1990's Graphite said:
Racquet experts here always get challenged and ganged up on by noobs. Then when they retaliate they get scrutinised and attacked by others who get involved because these others are challenged by the racquet expert's knowledge. In the end racquet experts come off better.
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If you are an expert you are able to justify your opinion and none of above guys did.
 
moon shot said:
I think the OP asked the mods to delete after realizing the photo was likely his brother's frame.
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I think the head size was too big to be his btrother’s frame, but the string pattern and spacing was looking like.
The enigma about Sasha’s frame deepens....
 
I think it's pretty clear Sasha is playing the Gravity (344) given the last match he played he was using one and topic has been beaten to a pulp here. I think the High Snobiety article in thread that got deleted didn't pay attention to it and I am guessing Sasha grabbed whatever was nearby for the photos. That racquet definitely looked like Misha's.
 
I just noticed that Zverev is again using the dampener in his racquet, could this mean he went back to his old frame? Before the Gravity he was using the dampener then no dampener and now back again. It might not mean anything but is at least interesting to see, or maybe he just change strings/specs?
 
Out of curiosity, when he switched the dampener on/off/on again, did his racquets get re-leaded to account for the change in weight (slight as it may be)?
 
Ok so I'm having trouble getting a consensus out of this thread. As of now Zverev is using the actual Gravity 360+ Pro? The 344 or whatever?
 
Down_the_line said:
Thank you! So it's not identical to the Gravity Pro because if I remember correctly you said only TGK's are retail frames. Not that it really matters, though. I'm just trying to get the hang of all this.

EDIT: It was @Howard H who said that about retail frames being the TGK's.
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TGK = retail
TGT = pro stock version (same layup as corresponding retail)
PT = pro stock with special layup (Made in Austria)

The retail gravity Pro is the TGK344.1, equivalent pro stock version is the TGT344.4.
Zverev and Rublev are using the TGT344.3 which is the same mold and layup, slightly different string pattern from the retail. Both are 18x20 but 344.3 uses parallel drilling.
Ash Barty uses the TGT344.1 = 16x19 version.

Hope this helps
 
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dr325i said:
TGK = retail
TGT = pro stock version (same layup as corresponding retail)
PT = pro stock with special layup (Made in Austria)

The retail gravity Pro is the TGK344.4, equivalent pro stock version is the TGT344.4.
Zverev and Rublev are using the TGT344.3 which is the same mold and layup, slightly different string pattern from the retail. Both are 18x20 but 344.3 uses parallel drilling.
Ash Barty uses the TGT344.1 = 16x19 version.

Hope this helps
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It does, thank you. I know you must have repeated this same stuff countless times so it's much appreciated.
 
Just to add something about the difference difference between TGK and TGT (as the difference between the two is a little subtle).

I remember @HowardH and/or @dr325i telling that the lay-up is the same ; the difference is the absence of commercial weights trapped in the lay-up in TGT.
In fact, I understood that the TGT hairpins are extremely light, to provide a huge room for customization.

Still, some pro players like to start from the weighted TGK hairpin like Dimitrov and Safin with the TGK237 aka MG prestige Mid.
 
McEncock said:
Just to add something about the difference difference between TGK and TGT (as the difference between the two is a little subtle).

I remember @HowardH and/or @dr325i telling that the lay-up is the same ; the difference is the absence of commercial weights trapped in the lay-up in TGT.
In fact, I understood that the TGT hairpins are extremely light, to provide a huge room for customization.

Still, some pro players like to start from the weighted TGK hairpin like Dimitrov and Safin with the TGK237 aka MG prestige Mid.
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The TGT does not have commercial weights, TGK does.
However, the nomenclature applies as of last few years, before that, head went through the period of changing it, internally and externally.

During the MG era, both, the Retail and Pro stock were labeled as the TGK237.x, the difference was that the "TGK237.1" was exposed inside the throat of the Pro stock frames (like Safin's and Dimitrov's). Both were pro stock versions, without commercial weights.
 
McEncock said:
Ahhhh!
So the TGKs with TGK code in the throat were what we call today TGT.
Amazing
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There was even a period when "TGK" totally disappeared from the use and both, retail and Pro stock were called "TGT"
Today's nomenclature makes sense: TGK = Retail. TGT = Pro Stock version, same layup, mold. TKxxx = Mold shared between the TGK and TGT. Same factories, same layup, minus the handle weight in the TGT.
And the "PT" = Special Layup/mold/combination...Made in Austria
 
Btw, a bit off-topic but I am actually in a honeymoon with the Lite Tour 630 aka PT67 - as HowardH told me. TK67 mold. Do you, by any chance, know what is the lay-up of that frame? It's the most buttery/muted yet powerful (very, very powerful) stick I've ever hit with. And I come from an intense use of the PT10 family, so I know what a good frame feels like.
 
McEncock said:
Btw, a bit off-topic but I am actually in a honeymoon with the Lite Tour 630 aka PT67 - as HowardH told me. TK67 mold. Do you, by any chance, know what is the lay-up of that frame? It's the most buttery/muted yet powerful (very, very powerful) stick I've ever hit with. And I come from an intense use of the PT10 family, so I know what a good frame feels like.
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It is closer to the PT10, and it is thicker mold (than the TK57) so, more power. The layup is balanced more toward Head.
I like it too.
@vsbabolat probably has more in depth details and differences between the Lite Tour and XTRA Long Tour
 
dr325i said:
There was even a period when "TGK" totally disappeared from the use and both, retail and Pro stock were called "TGT"
Today's nomenclature makes sense: TGK = Retail. TGT = Pro Stock version, same layup, mold. TKxxx = Mold shared between the TGK and TGT. Same factories, same layup, minus the handle weight in the TGT.
And the "PT" = Special Layup/mold/combination...Made in Austria
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Any examples where PT indicates a different/non commercially available mold other than PT346 and PT313? Is that a newer practice of Head's? I always thought Head prostocks were largely old molds with custom layups.
 
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