Zverev says it is just another example of the world number one being made out to be “the bad guy”.

JustMy2Cents

Hall of Fame
It's a bit hard to organise signatures in social isolation, no?
Au contraire, it's the easiest thing to cc all compliant parties and add their names in the signature when you send an official request/demand letter on behalf of a cohort.
Also just vet the contents and remove preposterous items like Private housing and relaxing state quarantine rules!
Those demands show their horrible disconnect with reality... let's have cake if the bread is scarce!
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
But it isn't really that necessary either to get up a petition. And they are not lawyers dealing in property. Get real! All tribunals involve work and time. This was short.

Whatever the background stories aside - a “representative” to raise an important issue or a demand can be easily nominated, via an email (from each of the involved - since they were already in a what-ever group chat) and all involved names can also be easily added to the so called “demand letter”.

(currently involved a tribunal with a group of properly owners against a developer.... the group representative and documents sent to the persons/authorities were easily done via the above mentioned me this - it isn’t really difficult..)
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
There is no contradiction here. They were in quarantine for two weeks and wanted to see improvements immediately.

You may think it's clever to get your razor out, but it's not relevant.

Adding their names would have strengthened their case. Why not do it?

The real answer is that Novak decided to do his own thing and put his foot in his mouth without considering the consequences, which has become a totally familiar pattern for him.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Nothing turns on this, but the demands/requests stemmed from conversations. THAT IS ZVEREV'S DIRECT EVIDENCE AND YOU HAVE NONE TO CONTRADICT IT.

Au contraire, it's the easiest thing to cc all compliant parties and add their names in the signature when you send an official request/demand letter on behalf of a cohort.
Also just vet the contents and remove preposterous items like Private housing and relaxing state quarantine rules!
Those demands show their horrible disconnect with reality... let's have cake if the bread is scarce!
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Nothing turns on this. See the above.

Adding their names would have strengthened their case. Why not do it?

The real answer is that Novak decided to do his own thing and put his foot in his mouth without considering the consequences, which has become a totally familiar pattern for him.
 
And there is a whole raft of other threads that criticise players with perfect PR strategies as making the game bland, no? I always try my best, to quote some oddball,

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clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
So now that the players are out of quarantine and they can find their own accommodation, how many of them have rented villas with tennis courts?
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Millman wanted to do a second unnecessary quarantine to get access to the tennis centre, so that's where they want to play now out.

So now that the players are out of quarantine and they can find their own accommodation, how many of them have rented villas with tennis courts?
 

esm

Legend
But it isn't really that necessary either to get up a petition. And they are not lawyers dealing in property. Get real! All tribunals involve work and time. This was short.
I can see your point and not necessarily to have to tell other to “get real”. That was uncalled for IMO.
I will see that I do not agree with what Novaxx and his mates has done so far. My post was in respond to other posters still suggesting that Novaxx was representing other players and the blame shouldn’t be on him - so in that case, the right thing to do by other players was to put their own names forward also, so the “heat” can be shared equally... if that’s is what Zerve is talking about.
IMO - although this is short, it needs to be done properly, if that’s what those anti-TA people are suggesting, as the implication can be life and death, whereas my tribunal has less/no impact.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
Oh my lord this is hilarious. You'd think Zverev would learn by now. You knocked a woman up who wanted nothing to do with you, then another accused you of DV and you ignored it. Then you ignored Covid advice and partied while you lied and said you were quarantining. Now you defend the guy who also ignored the virus and helped spread it?

Idiocy,

Ehm, what? If she didn't want anything to do with him, she wouldn't sleep with him voluntarily.
 

esm

Legend
Ehm, what? If she didn't want anything to do with him, she wouldn't sleep with him voluntarily.
I think there were some “periods of time” involved in between “the sleep” and the decided “don’t want anything to do with a person”. It should be much more understandable for someone who has gone through a divorce (or more...), etc. Lol
 

maratha_warrior

Hall of Fame
Well, some people don't have PR, and don't want to live in fantasy PR World... But, if you like living in fake PR world you can always look at PR gods... Fed and Raf...

Other things aside , this is the only forum where " fakeness and fake PR image stuff is widely celebrated and glorified :-D

the crazy thing is , Most of the posters here not just love and celebrate Fake PR fantasy world but they believe it's " morally correct " . Lol :laughing:

Decency is nice but fcuk PR stuff mann .
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
All this is breathtakingly trivial. Some players didn't like their situation. Djokovic wrote a letter based on some discussions. The list was somewhat fanciful and was mostly shot down.

I've been in similar situations too and the fact is that the lesser players would be very happy not to be named and therefore not suffer the kind of abuse meted out here and in public fora.

I can see your point and not necessarily to have to tell other to “get real”. That was uncalled for IMO.
I will see that I do not agree with what Novaxx and his mates has done so far. My post was in respond to other posters still suggesting that Novaxx was representing other players and the blame shouldn’t be on him - so in that case, the right thing to do by other players was to put their own names forward also, so the “heat” can be shared equally... if that’s is what Zerve is talking about.
IMO - although this is short, it needs to be done properly, if that’s what those anti-TA people are suggesting, as the implication can be life and death, whereas my tribunal has less/no impact.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
Lol.
I knew haters will storm on Zverev... So predictable... Well I guess it is easier then admitting being wrong...

They have to double back and double down after embarrassing themselves in the earlier threads. Not surprised TTW's moral compass was 1st to respond when he was nowhere to be found in the Barty thread that got deleted of course. Lol.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
I cannot stand Zverev and he is really my second least favorite player but with all those stupid accusations going on here (calling him women beater etc without any evidence) even I feel the urge to defend him.
Women beater? Who said that?
Stick to what was actually said and don’t lie. Thanks.
 

RiverRat

Professional
This kind of argument would have to be in bottom of the barrel territory.
As would the one referring to Djokovic as a child and suggesting firm parenting. I think this one was more of an attempt to mock the juvenile nature of the other.
 

BorgTheGOAT

Legend
Women beater? Who said that?
Stick to what was actually said and don’t lie. Thanks.
You talked about DV or not? This basically equals beating your partner (in this case a woman), doesn’t it? Anyways, point is it is only an accusation without evidence so he has ZERO obligation to respond in any way to it and is free to ignore these accusations.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
You talked about DV or not? This basically equals beating your partner (in this case a woman), doesn’t it? Anyways, point is it is only an accusation without evidence so he has ZERO obligation to respond in any way to it and is free to ignore these accusations.
I said DV I didn’t say women beater. Last time I checked DV can impact anyone. And she did have proof, she had texts, call logs, multiple people corroborating her claims and timelines and asked for video surveillance from the hotel. Also discussed the ATP doctor who saved her after she tried to commit suicide from overdosing on insulin.
Damn lot of proof there.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
Is there a thread? She didn’t wear a mask and profusely apologised. I accept that. She hasn’t left the country and has had no Covid contact. You wanna compare that to throwing superspreader events, not quarantining, lying, not apologising, spreading anti vaxxer views, continuing to not wear masks? I mean you think they’re the same? Y’all are hilarious!
 

BorgTheGOAT

Legend
I said DV I didn’t say women beater. Last time I checked DV can impact anyone. And she did have proof, she had texts, call logs, multiple people corroborating her claims and timelines and asked for video surveillance from the hotel. Also discussed the ATP doctor who saved her after she tried to commit suicide from overdosing on insulin.
Damn lot of proof there.
A five year old could fake screenshots from text messages and people (from her circle) corroborating claims is no proof neither is a doctor saving her from an overdose. You do not seem to understand at all what proof means.
 
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Deleted member 775898

Guest
Is there a thread? She didn’t wear a mask and profusely apologised. I accept that. She hasn’t left country and has had no Covid contact. You wanna compare that to throwing superspreader events, not quarantining, lying, not apologising, spreading anti vaxxer views, continuing to not wear masks? I mean you think they’re the same? Y’all are hilarious!
Yes, a thread where you got quoted twice and never responded to it till it got closed. Makes one wonder if you would've showed up had someone from outside Australia done what Barty did.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
A five year old could fake screenshots from text messages and people (from her circle) corroborating claims is no proof neither is a doctor saving her from an overdose. You do not seem to understand at all what proof means.
So all proof is fake, got it. You really just can’t believe women? I mean he’s shown and said next to nothing, she’s done all this and yet you say it’s all fake? Why do you hate women?
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
Yes, a thread where you got quoted twice and never responded to it till it got closed. Makes one wonder if you would've showed up had someone from outside Australia done what Barty did.
Sorry for sleeping and not being at your beck and call 24/7. You’re insane.
 
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Deleted member 775898

Guest
Sorry for sleeping and not being at your beck and call 24/7. You’re insane.
Ugh, resorting to insults now, I see.
Your comment doesn't even make sense, as I never even quoted you in that thread.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
Ugh, resorting to insults now, I see.
Your comment doesn't even make sense, as I never even quoted you in that thread.
Never said you quoted me. You’re annoyed I didn’t post, sorry for sleeping, having a life and not being online 24/7. I am soooo sorry for sleeping.
 
Oh my lord this is hilarious. You'd think Zverev would learn by now. You knocked a woman up who wanted nothing to do with you, then another accused you of DV and you ignored it. Then you ignored Covid advice and partied while you lied and said you were quarantining. Now you defend the guy who also ignored the virus and helped spread it?

Idiocy,
Yeah right. He totally rappped her. He's a rapist and the women is the victim. He kidnapped her and made her his sex slave for a night.

Yeah right yeah right.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
You implied it. And who said I was annoyed ? I wasn't even the one asking for you in that thread.
You quoted me (see below) about it and felt the need to reference how I didn’t post on that thread (because I was asleep). I’d say you’re a bit annoyed or do you have nothing else to care about then whether I’m online and posting or not?
Yes, a thread where you got quoted twice and never responded to it till it got closed. Makes one wonder if you would've showed up had someone from outside Australia done what Barty did.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
Yeah right. He totally rappped her. He's a rapist and the women is the victim. He kidnapped her and made her his sex slave for a night.

Yeah right yeah right.
If that’s all you think DV is then please do some research. I don’t believe Olya ever claimed there was sexual assault. It sounds like you haven’t even read what she’s said?

Maybe do some reading up on this before posting.
 
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Deleted member 775898

Guest
You quoted me (see below) about it and felt the need to reference how I didn’t post on that thread (because I was asleep). I’d say you’re a bit annoyed or do you have nothing else to care about then whether I’m online and posting or not?
I just pointed it out cause a lot of people aparently wanted to see your opinion about the subject from that thread. Dunno why do you think I'm annoyed or care about you posting online when I think this thread is the first time I even replied to one of your comments.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
I just pointed it out cause a lot of people aparently wanted to see your opinion about the subject from that thread. Dunno why do you think I'm annoyed or care about you posting online when I think this thread is the first time I even replied to one of your comments.
Well now you know and everyone can know my opinion since apparently it matters so much. She made a small but still very dumb mistake which she immediately owned up to.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Apparently one player in quarantine asked for, and was refused, a kitten. This thankfully did not make Djokovic's list. It was a female player.
 

BorgTheGOAT

Legend
So all proof is fake, got it. You really just can’t believe women? I mean he’s shown and said next to nothing, she’s done all this and yet you say it’s all fake? Why do you hate women?
Now let’s resort to the typical “you hate women because you don’t agree with everything they say” SJW-BS rhetoric. Quite surprised that you haven’t called me ***** so far.
Just FYI, I absolutely do not hate women. I have a wonderful wife and lots of other women in my life (family, friends, co-workers) I deeply care about.
That does NOT mean though that I am like you and blindly believe each and everything every woman in the world says especially not in such serious topics like DV or rape accusations that can completely destroy a mans life even if innocent. Here in Germany we had a couple of cases where women falsely accused prominent men for rape and even though they were proven to be lying the men’s career was over while the woman faced little to no consequences (I think one of them was convicted to pay 20,000 or something while the other went to jail for only a year).
Are those cases the majority? Certainly not and if Zverev really did what he is accused to have done, of course he should be punished like everyone else, but again it is innocent until proven otherwise and if you seriously believe that screenshots from text messages are sufficient proof for a court you seem to be very naive to say the least.

The better question for you would be: Why on earth do you hate men so much that instead of discussing tennis in a tennis forum (which would be logical), you derail each and every thread with your ATP/men bashing crap?
 

BorgTheGOAT

Legend
I mean he’s shown and said next to nothing, she’s done all this and yet you say it’s all fake?
This again shows your complete ignorance. SHE is the one coming forward with accusations so she is the one who has to provide evidence. HE has shown and said next to nothing because he does not have to. It is not HIS obligation to prove that he is innocent and he is free to not react to it in any way.
 
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