Zverev settles his account with Lendl

TheFifthSet

Legend
So, do you reckon that he will remain without a high-profile coach in the near future?

:cool:
Remains to be seen, but it’s just hard to see why a coach with competing offers would want to take him on when he seems to publicly **** all of his coaches. And that’s not to say he’s lying, for all I know Lendl could very well be collecting cheques without putting in much effort...but it’s a foolhardy move to go to the media regardless.
 

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
It's too bad that Lendl only won 8 majors, 94 titles, and spend 270 weeks at #1(the record when he retired). And then, he coached Murray to 3 slam titles, world #1, and a WTF title.

What the heck does a legend like Lendl know about winning that Zverev doesn't?

Instead, maybe Lendl should have hired Zverev to be his life coach.
to be fair, success as a player may not always translate to being a good coach or maybe lendl is a good coach but not the right fit for sascha.
 

MasturB

Legend
to be fair, success as a player may not always translate to being a good coach or maybe lendl is a good coach but not the right fit for sascha.
It translates easier sometimes because tennis is an individual sport, but for the most part you are spot on.

A great player doesn't necessarily make a great coach. Don't think Jordan or Kobe, whose games relied more on individuality, would be suited as great coaches. I think LeBron could make a decent coach since he's always been more of a passer/field captain than a 1v1 dominate player.

In futbol, how many all time great players became great coaches?

It all depends on what type of player that person was. It doesn't necessarily mean they'll be a great coach, but it helps.

In hindsight, one wonders whether Edberg forcing Fred to go to the net so much was really the answer, when Fred has done just fine with Ljubicic playing more of a refined baseline-hybrid game than the game he employed under Edberg. I think Fed played Djokovic better in 2019 under Ljubicic than he did under Edberg in 14-15 when he was s&v'ing a hefty bit of the time. There's other variables to consider, in that Novak also isn't the same player he was in 14-15 (his serve is way better now IMO), or that Fred was switching to a new racquet, so ending points quicker helped ease his transition to new racquet and now the version we see under Ljubicic is just refined.
 

Red Rick

Talk Tennis Guru
Still not something that Zverev would be wise to encourage. I actually wonder whether Roddick would be interested in doing a bit of coaching himself.
IIRC he doesn't want to travel. Doesn't want to be away from home for so long. He's got a young family, his business interests and ****, he doesn't need it, I don't see him doing it.

Anyway, Zverev is already too passive with his backhand. Can hardly ruin it.
 

sredna42

Hall of Fame
Jebus. Even if lendl is showing up to coach like the guy in bad santa, zverev still shouldn't say what he did in public, just quietly cut him off with a media friendly story and move on.
 

Lozo1016

Semi-Pro
Maybe Zverev needs to hire John Isner as coach. Isner could coach him on how to fix that awful second serve.
 
IIRC he doesn't want to travel. Doesn't want to be away from home for so long. He's got a young family, his business interests and ****, he doesn't need it, I don't see him doing it.

Anyway, Zverev is already too passive with his backhand. Can hardly ruin it.
I don't see it, either. Perhaps on a consulting basis.

At least the technique and timing are there on the backhand. It has a lot of potential. The forehand, not so much.
 

Fiero425

Hall of Fame
It translates easier sometimes because tennis is an individual sport, but for the most part you are spot on.

A great player doesn't necessarily make a great coach. Don't think Jordan or Kobe, whose games relied more on individuality, would be suited as great coaches. I think LeBron could make a decent coach since he's always been more of a passer/field captain than a 1v1 dominate player.

In futbol, how many all time great players became great coaches?

It all depends on what type of player that person was. It doesn't necessarily mean they'll be a great coach, but it helps.

In hindsight, one wonders whether Edberg forcing Fred to go to the net so much was really the answer, when Fred has done just fine with Ljubicic playing more of a refined baseline-hybrid game than the game he employed under Edberg. I think Fed played Djokovic better in 2019 under Ljubicic than he did under Edberg in 14-15 when he was s&v'ing a hefty bit of the time. There's other variables to consider, in that Novak also isn't the same player he was in 14-15 (his serve is way better now IMO), or that Fred was switching to a new racquet, so ending points quicker helped ease his transition to new racquet and now the version we see under Ljubicic is just refined.
Federer still hung back too much as far as I'm concerned! I see this as the reason he loses to Nadovic; thinking he can tame and defend from the baseline! He's been able to accomplish it a few times, but mostly it's a colossal failure with him dropping matches to them with a point or 2 to win! It was impressive how both Fedovic were whacking the ball from the 1st rally of the match! I personally would have had Roger come in a bit more; Nole not passing that well! He had a couple near the end, but that was happenstance with Roger coming into the net more on a bluff! Roger volleys exceptionally well, but drags matches out with better players by not attacking as much as he could! There are enough short balls to pound into a corner to approach the forecourt with impunity on grass; even now! If passed, you say "good shot," but continue to apply pressure! Stan and Murray did it their way, but their groundies were consistent enough for them to just outlast Nole a handful of times in those major finals lost to them! :unsure: :cautious: ;) :)
 

big ted

Hall of Fame
from what i read lendl is very "part time"... about 10wks/yr
the other 40wks, hes coached by daddy zverev...
so is lendl reeaally his coach?
 

Pistol10

Professional
What's additionally hilarious is that Zverev is playing on clay in Hamburg next week instead of getting ready for HC and the USO.
This really shocked me too! I saw his posts on Instagram, and thought: he definitely lost his mind o_O!

What's wrong with the kids today showing all disrespect to their coaches...remember Osaka's words about Bajin :cautious:!
 

California

Rookie
Federer still hung back too much as far as I'm concerned! I see this as the reason he loses to Nadovic; thinking he can tame and defend from the baseline! He's been able to accomplish it a few times, but mostly it's a colossal failure with him dropping matches to them with a point or 2 to win! It was impressive how both Fedovic were whacking the ball from the 1st rally of the match! I personally would have had Roger come in a bit more; Nole not passing that well! He had a couple near the end, but that was happenstance with Roger coming into the net more on a bluff! Roger volleys exceptionally well, but drags matches out with better players by not attacking as much as he could! There are enough short balls to pound into a corner to approach the forecourt with impunity on grass; even now! If passed, you say "good shot," but continue to apply pressure! Stan and Murray did it their way, but their groundies were consistent enough for them to just outlast Nole a handful of times in those major finals lost to them! :unsure::cautious:;):)
I agree. Fed plays too much backcourt tennis against the best players, especially Nadal and Novak. Yes, I know he was super close to winning Wimbledon, but he needs to come in more. It is not to his advantage to play baseline games against those two for too long, they are younger and have better ground strokes....

He needs to use his variety of shot and come into the net through out the match, not just from time to time otherwise it is tough to feel confident and sharp at the net. He should come in much more in the early rounds when he is likely to win anyway so he can get grooved on serve and volley, chip and charge tactics.

His new racquet is a help in many facets of his game but has made his forehand, previously his best shot erratic in my opinion....
 
I think zverev is a bit uncoachable and a bit too arrogant but I also think lendl is not super motivated. I think lendl hoped to give the designated crown prince of tennis a bit of mental and tactical coaching to push him over the edge and make him a slam winner like he did with murray.

He probably didn't expect it being that much work. Maybe he even now tries to get fired so he doesn't have to resign and thus get all of the remaining money on the contract.
 

Fiero425

Hall of Fame
I think zverev is a bit uncoachable and a bit too arrogant but I also think lendl is not super motivated. I think lendl hoped to give the designated crown prince of tennis a bit of mental and tactical coaching to push him over the edge and make him a slam winner like he did with murray.

He probably didn't expect it being that much work. Maybe he even now tries to get fired so he doesn't have to resign and thus get all of the remaining money on the contract.
Ivan's been doing it his way his entire career! Outside of tennis, he made things quite comfortable for him and his girls! He doesn't need to take $#!t from anyone or any entity! I felt his pain being the outsider and not getting "his due" because of star power McEnroe, Borg, & Connors exuded! He was and continued to be the villain of the piece thru John, Jimmy, Bjorn, Wilander, Edberg, Becker, Chang, Agassi, Courier, & Cash! Now Djokovic is having to go thru the same thing being the 3rd wheel behind Fedal even though he's "OWNED" this decade!
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
he said hes playing hamburg cuz its his hometown and he gets alot of support there...
i can understand that...
like federer playing basel every year...
Except that Zverev skipped his hometown event the last 2 years and chose to play Washington. He's only playing it this year because he fell out with the Washington organisers.

His record in his hometown event has hardly been distinguished. In 4 appearances there (2013-16) he got past the 1st round only once (2014 semi-finals).
 

MasturB

Legend
Federer still hung back too much as far as I'm concerned! I see this as the reason he loses to Nadovic; thinking he can tame and defend from the baseline! He's been able to accomplish it a few times, but mostly it's a colossal failure with him dropping matches to them with a point or 2 to win! It was impressive how both Fedovic were whacking the ball from the 1st rally of the match! I personally would have had Roger come in a bit more; Nole not passing that well! He had a couple near the end, but that was happenstance with Roger coming into the net more on a bluff! Roger volleys exceptionally well, but drags matches out with better players by not attacking as much as he could! There are enough short balls to pound into a corner to approach the forecourt with impunity on grass; even now! If passed, you say "good shot," but continue to apply pressure! Stan and Murray did it their way, but their groundies were consistent enough for them to just outlast Nole a handful of times in those major finals lost to them! :unsure: :cautious: ;) :)
Don't think you give Novak enough credit tactically speaking. It's not like Fed wasn't trying to get to the net. Novak has so much depth on his shot and his defense is so good, Fed would be committing suicide trying to come to the net from a forehand off the baseline. Novak being a wall basically made Fed play more of the middle of the court and extend rallies. When Fed was ripping backhands crosscourt Novak was able to retrieve it and with depth.
 

MasturB

Legend
Except that Zverev skipped his hometown event the last 2 years and chose to play Washington. He's only playing it this year because he fell out with the Washington organisers.

His record in his hometown event has hardly been distinguished. In 4 appearances there (2013-16) he got past the 1st round only once (2014 semi-finals).
It also would make more sense for Zed to play Washington over Hamburg since Hamburg is basically a clay tournament for those middle of the road guys, while a lot of top players who are trying to peak for the USO are playing in Washington.
 

Legend of Borg

G.O.A.T.
Except that Zverev skipped his hometown event the last 2 years and chose to play Washington. He's only playing it this year because he fell out with the Washington organisers.

His record in his hometown event has hardly been distinguished. In 4 appearances there (2013-16) he got past the 1st round only once (2014 semi-finals).
whats the scoop on this story?

did he start a feud with the tourney organizers?
 
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Ann

Hall of Fame
I don't care if Lendl's a lousy coach or not, I just don't see that as the point. Zverev (and Osaka) need to learn a little professionalism in their daily lives. If an employee isn't meeting your expectations you let them go and do whatever PR is necessary afterwards. You never commit a character assassination of your STILL coach in the media. No decent person will ever want to work for or with you again. This is just the temper tantrum of a spoiled young man and no matter what the total story is, Zverev is the one that comes off looking like a little ****.
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
This is just the temper tantrum of a spoiled young man and no matter what the total story is, Zverev is the one that comes off looking like a little ****.
So true. There was an article in the German press last week saying Zverev was livid that Halle won't offer him a lifetime contract like they offered Fed. What planet is this guy living on where he thinks his career with no slams deserves a lifetime contract at an event? Next thing you'll know he'll demand a statue of himself at Roland Garros because Rafa's getting one next year.
 

Ann

Hall of Fame
So true. There was an article in the German press last week saying Zverev was livid that Halle won't offer him a lifetime contract like they offered Fed. What planet is this guy living on where he thinks his career with no slams deserves a lifetime contract at an event? Next thing you'll know he'll demand a statue of himself at Roland Garros because Rafa's getting one next year.
I had not heard that. I refuse to belong to any club but ABZ definitely has the right ideal.
 
I know we all make fun of Boris the Bankrupt, but when he coached Novak I don't think anyone ever questioned his commitment to Novak. He was at pretty much every big tournament and he always looked passionate in Novak's box.
As well as procuring high class hookers for the post tournament celebrations!

No doubt that Boris went the extra mile for his charge!
 

blablavla

Semi-Pro
Being German, what choice does he have? It would be a huge slap in the face to all concerned who's supported him from a pup! Even Djokovic played the Serbia Open when he probably should have been resting for Madrid, Rome, and Paris! :unsure::cautious::rolleyes:;)
in theory yes, but Zveres skipped the event in the past, and when asked by journalists, he explained that clay between Wimbledon and US Open doesn't make any meaning.
So, after this the organizers signed Thiem as the "face" of Hamburg tournament for a few years.
And now Zverev goes there...
It looks like he tries to win one of the weakest 500 events, for boost of confidence + points.
But if he loses... might give him more trouble with the confidence
 

blablavla

Semi-Pro
He’s playing Hamburg instead of defending his back-to-back Washington titles. The reason for the change is not nationalistic loyalty...it’s appearance money that D.C. wasn’t willing to match.
1. To begin with, the 2 tournaments are played in different weeks, so they don't contradict each other

2. To continue, Hamburg signed Thiem, as they couldn't match Zverev expectations.
I would doubt that he is getting much money as appearance fee.
Rather an attempt to improve rating situation, as Hamburg is deemed as one of the weakest 500 events, because it's clay between Wimbledon and USO
 

blablavla

Semi-Pro
I actually am going to take Sascha's side on this one (And that pains me to say it).

Lendl knew all about the Sascha hype before he agreed to coach him. This wasn't like the kid just entered the top 100 and was an up and comer.

If what Zverev said was true about Lendl half-assing the coaching, then Lendl shouldn't be offended and if anything should have been out of the picture long ago. I know Lendl golfs a lot where he lives (Hilton Head). He split with Murray the first time because his daughter was a collegiate golfer.

As a coach on tour myself, I always am examining myself to see if I could be doing more to help my player(s). Lendl probably is so established at this point that he probably doesn't feel the need to reevaluate himself as a coach as he thinks he's doing Zverev a favor by even being there.
we don't know what is happening there.
Lendl helped some other guys to reach amazing results, so Lendl as a coach is a bigger name than Zverev as a player.

What if, just a wild assumption, so what if Sacha isn't doing something up to Lendl standard or expectation, and by behaving like this, Lendl simply tells him: I am not interested in you until you do / reach xyz?
And Sascha goes to the press and complains instead of trying to achieve that xyz?
 

blablavla

Semi-Pro
to be fair, success as a player may not always translate to being a good coach or maybe lendl is a good coach but not the right fit for sascha.
On December 31, 2011, Lendl was appointed to coach Andy Murray. guiding him to his first two Grand Slam victories in the 2012 USO and 2013 Wimbledon.
On June 12, 2016, Lendl rejoined Andy Murray's coaching team. By the end of 2016, Murray had become world No. 1, having won his second Wimbledon title, third major championship overall, second Olympic Gold Medal in singles, and his first ATP World Tour Finals title, defeating Novak Djokovic.

I guess the results of Lendl coach speak for themselves.

Also Murray recognized in some interviews that Lendl is very demanding.
But in-between the lines it seemed to me like he was talking with kind of nostalgie.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
1. To begin with, the 2 tournaments are played in different weeks, so they don't contradict each other

2. To continue, Hamburg signed Thiem, as they couldn't match Zverev expectations.
I would doubt that he is getting much money as appearance fee.
Rather an attempt to improve rating situation, as Hamburg is deemed as one of the weakest 500 events, because it's clay between Wimbledon and USO
It’s a load to play those two 500’s back to back on different surfaces on different continents immediately prior to the remainder of the USO Series so in effect it’s a “one or the other” scenario. I think Zed played both one year but it was after losing 1R in Hamburg.

Maybe it will be a nice break to get ready for Montreal and beyond. Washington can be a drain physically with the excessive heat and humidity.
 
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