Zverev settles his account with Lendl

Wurm

Rookie
What Zverev's saying:
"I was hitting second serves and Lendl's talking about golf"

What I'm hearing:
"HE WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION TO MEEEEEE...."

Players don't employ a Lendl/Becker/etc... super coach to supervise the bread and butter work, they employ them for the last 5% they can bring to shot selection, mentality and tactical approach.

I think he hits round the ball too much - a bit like Murray in that regard. In both cases, it could be that there's a hitch in the swing/motion, too.
Murray's forehand suffered badly due to the hip, which he's now admitted was a problem all the way back in 2013/14, meaning there was difficulties transferring weight through the shot onto the front hip. He ended up pretty much arming a hell of a lot of forehands in the 2015/16 period.
 

Raiden

Hall of Fame
Boris really needed the WORK though! The incentive to succeed was evident on both sides! It was shaky early on where Nole didn't win much of anything with Becker on the team! Even when he did pull off a victory, Boris wasn't there; I believe in the hospital repairing something back in 2014! If not for that Wimbledon victory, Becker may have been out of a job that summer! Instead it all turned around for "his charge" going on to take a few more majors before being dismissed a couple years ago and Vajda rejoining the team! I personally think the "MRS" decided Becker was a bad influence and told Nole to let him go! :sneaky::unsure::laughing::)
Fictitious BS.

Boris wasn't fired and replaced by Vajda. By the time Boris was fired, Vajda was also fired soon after. Nole basically fired both in order to be left alone with Pepe. That didn't work so he added Agassi, then fired Agassi and finally returned to Vajda.

Going back to the topic. Zverev has a wicked cynical sense of humor, so I'm not sure he was criticizing Lendl an sich, as German philosophers would say. On the other hand Zverev has always tried to minimize Lendl's contribution. In the past whenever people ask what he did with Lendl he would often redirect the conversation to "my dad...". I see that as a form of latent resistance to feeling of intimidated by Lendl. In the past I dismissed it as youthfulness -- also a factor is that Lendl and his father know each other. So perhaps Sasha feels a bit less concerned about their relationship since they may continue to bump into each other via his dad.
 
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MasturB

Legend
we don't know what is happening there.
Lendl helped some other guys to reach amazing results, so Lendl as a coach is a bigger name than Zverev as a player.

What if, just a wild assumption, so what if Sacha isn't doing something up to Lendl standard or expectation, and by behaving like this, Lendl simply tells him: I am not interested in you until you do / reach xyz?
And Sascha goes to the press and complains instead of trying to achieve that xyz?
Who has Lendl coached notably other than Murray?
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
The brat even had more invective for Ivan:

"Lendl's got a new dog, which is two months old. He shows him how to be potty trained. That's really his main theme: golf and his little dog. It doesn't mean that I can no longer work with him, and I told him that after Wimbledon. I have problems with my second serve, so we train the second serve and 20 minutes of it is boring, then he tells how he has made an incredible impact on the 6th hole in golf."

https://www.bild.de/sport/mehr-sport/tennis/tennis-alexander-zverev-uebt-harte-kritik-an-ivan-lendl-63380334.bild.html

Wow. This kid has a REALLY big mouth!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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blablavla

Semi-Pro
Who has Lendl coached notably other than Murray?
On December 31, 2011, Lendl was appointed to coach Andy Murray. guiding him to his first two Grand Slam victories in the 2012 USO and 2013 Wimbledon.
On June 12, 2016, Lendl rejoined Andy Murray's coaching team. By the end of 2016, Murray had become world No. 1, having won his second Wimbledon title, third major championship overall, second Olympic Gold Medal in singles, and his first ATP World Tour Finals title, defeating Novak Djokovic.

I guess the results of Lendl coach speak for themselves.
 

MasturB

Legend
On December 31, 2011, Lendl was appointed to coach Andy Murray. guiding him to his first two Grand Slam victories in the 2012 USO and 2013 Wimbledon.
On June 12, 2016, Lendl rejoined Andy Murray's coaching team. By the end of 2016, Murray had become world No. 1, having won his second Wimbledon title, third major championship overall, second Olympic Gold Medal in singles, and his first ATP World Tour Finals title, defeating Novak Djokovic.

I guess the results of Lendl coach speak for themselves.
You said "Lendl helped some other guys reach some amazing results". My question is, who has he coached other than Murray? You didn't answer. Just posted results he had with Murray.
 

Red Rick

Talk Tennis Guru
So true. There was an article in the German press last week saying Zverev was livid that Halle won't offer him a lifetime contract like they offered Fed. What planet is this guy living on where he thinks his career with no slams deserves a lifetime contract at an event? Next thing you'll know he'll demand a statue of himself at Roland Garros because Rafa's getting one next year.
I'd like if they gave him a lifetime contract with no guaranteed appearance fee but just prevented him from showing his mug face at Queens.

When did Federer get that contract anyway?
 

Red Rick

Talk Tennis Guru
You said "Lendl helped some other guys reach some amazing results". My question is, who has he coached other than Murray? You didn't answer. Just posted results he had with Murray.
I thought the expectations of Lendl with Zverev were pretty exaggerated cause they were all based on Murray winning Slams under his tutelage. Murray was making Slam finals or semi's almost every Slam and he just needed that final push to play his best in the last 2 matches of a Slam. Zverev will just lose to everyone and their mother when he's bad, which isn't really something Lendl could fix easily imo.
 

blablavla

Semi-Pro
You said "Lendl helped some other guys reach some amazing results". My question is, who has he coached other than Murray? You didn't answer. Just posted results he had with Murray.
I confused for a moment with Norman helping Wawrinka.
Wanna shoot me for it?
Or perhaps it makes Lendl a bad coach?
 

TnsGuru

Professional
How can a coach take his client seriously if he's always having temper tantrums and meltdowns with endless racket thrashing when things don't go his way? Lendl isn't the one on the court when a tournament is going on, he should be accountable for his poor play but it's easy to blame the coach when he hasn't been winning a lot as of recent times.

Maybe these two don't gel, it happens but regardless Z needs to have a little class and not say anything negative about his coach. Maybe if he had some self control he could will himself to win the tougher matches, he just folds and that isn't future #1 material IMO.

I wish him well in the future, hope he figures it out soon. Newer Gen is knocking on his door and he needs to wake up or he will get passed by a younger/hungrier and more disciplined player.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
You said "Lendl helped some other guys reach some amazing results". My question is, who has he coached other than Murray? You didn't answer. Just posted results he had with Murray.
Prior to Zverev, Lendl has only ever coached Murray.

Zverev is also employing Murray's former fitness trainer, Jez Green.
 

Shaolin

G.O.A.T.
Prior to Zverev, Lendl has only ever coached Murray.

Zverev is also employing Murray's former fitness trainer, Jez Green.
Yeah we've been hearing about Jez Green and his elaborate 15 year plan to add 10 lbs of muscle to Zverev for years now :rolleyes:

All that time in the gym for nothing. Should have spent that time working on his fh, volleys, serve etc etc.
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
Yeah we've been hearing about Jez Green and his elaborate 15 year plan to add 10 lbs of muscle to Zverev for years now :rolleyes:

All that time in the gym for nothing. Should have spent that time working on his fh, volleys, serve etc etc.
Exactly! Raonic tried the "resistance training for 6 hours a day" and he's still never won anything above a 500. Gym work isn't a substitute for a lack of talent.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Great player doesn't necessarily mean great coach.
Coach and player have to fit. Not everybody can do that.

Lendl and Murray were a good fit whilst they were together. Zverev clearly isn't and seems to have trouble finding one he can work with.
 
All Lendl can do is suggest, the kid is the one who has to do the hard work putting into practice by practicing--Lendl can't play for him. The kid has to lose the gold chains, they are keeping him from keeping his head up on his serve. He should hire his brother Mischa to teach him a OHB--Pete made this change and the rest is history. The kid doesn't understand the player/coach relationship--he should hire Kyrigos to coach him and become dubs partners then he could have the on court attention he requires--they could also share gold chains.
 

HuusHould

Semi-Pro
What Zverev's saying:
"I was hitting second serves and Lendl's talking about golf"

What I'm hearing:
"HE WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION TO MEEEEEE...."

Players don't employ a Lendl/Becker/etc... super coach to supervise the bread and butter work, they employ them for the last 5% they can bring to shot selection, mentality and tactical approach.



Murray's forehand suffered badly due to the hip, which he's now admitted was a problem all the way back in 2013/14, meaning there was difficulties transferring weight through the shot onto the front hip. He ended up pretty much arming a hell of a lot of forehands in the 2015/16 period.
As you mention it makes getting weight onto the front foot difficult, and any torque through the hip is a "no go" (golf can be as bad as tennis for that reason) as is of course hopping onto that leg (eg front foot hop approach or serve arabesque landing). But just as hard is getting down low for balls on that fh side; low balls close to the net eg slice fhs low fh volleys etc. You end up hitting fhs and bhs off your right leg. Obviously Murray's had his left hip done? I thought the Birmingham hip or hip resurfacing in general had gone out of vogue?
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Before the upcoming tournament Zverev gave an interview in Hamburg in which he talked about Lendl:

https://www.spiegel.de/sport/sonst/alexander-zverev-kritisiert-ivan-lendl-es-werden-sich-viele-dinge-aendern-a-1277986.html

I translate literally what Zverev said:

"Sometimes we go to the practice court. I practice for 2 hours, and half an hour of that time he just stands with his back to the court and talks with someone about how he played golf that morning. Also he has a new dog and spends very much time with it. After Wimbledon we had a clarifying conversation. I clearly demanded from him to better focus on tennis from now on."

Finally he was asked if Lendl has a future in his team. He answered cryptically: "Many things will change"

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It’s quite typical for Zverev that he talks negatively about other people in public, and IMO that is bad style. The only excuse would be if he repeatedly tried to talk about it personally with Lendl and he never really reacted. But even then he could just have fired him and moved on. I think it’s no coincidence that he has trouble with anyone, be it with Ferrero some time ago or his manager. And always they went after each other verbally when the relationship was done, and both sides told the story completely different and accused the other one of lying.

That said, I have a feeling that Lendl is massively overrated as a coach, but that shouldn’t be the main concern here.
Hopefully this means he's fired Lendl who has done little for his game. Both coaches have not worked out for Zverev.:cry:
 

mightyrick

Legend
Zverev makes it sound like he wants a certain type of coach who tells him what to do -- nuts and bolts. And that's fine. Different players need different things. Pretty tacky for him to make such statements in public though.

If he wants a nuts-and-bolts coach to improve his shotmaking, then he should go after Andre Agassi or Darren Cahill or Stefanki. But to handle a coach like that, you have to be willing to admit your game has technical flaws and check your ego at the door. Because Agassi and Cahill or Stefanki will tell you straight up why your backhand, forehand, serve, etc... isn't working like it should.

If he just wants moral support or "presence"... then you go after people like Lendl, Annacone, Edberg, Becker... etc. Those guys are much more about ambience than anything. They aren't really going to literally try to improve your strokes, but they will make you feel better in the mind. Which might be just what Zverev needs.
 

Mustard

Talk Tennis Guru
Ivan Lendl talked a lot about golf even during the height of his own tennis career. Lendl was a great coach for Murray because Murray already did most of the professional stuff correct, but needed that extra bit of mentality and calmness to get over the line in major finals. Zverev has a lot more complex issues, and I honestly think Becker would have been a better coach for him.
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
If he wants a nuts-and-bolts coach to improve his shotmaking, then he should go after Andre Agassi or Darren Cahill or Stefanki. But to handle a coach like that, you have to be willing to admit your game has technical flaws and check your ego at the door.
I think Zverev's ego is so enormous that he resented the attention Lendl as an ATG was getting. He overshadowed his pupil by far outside of Germany. During his first round loss at Wimbledon, ESPN kept showing Lendl in the stands and endlessly talking about him instead of that nauseating brat on court. Imagine if he had Agassi as his coach? He also would completely overshadow him and Z's massive ego just couldn't take that. It's always gotta be all about him. Cahill wouldn't coach him, he said last year he just doesn't think it would be a "good fit."
 

mightyrick

Legend
Imagine if he had Agassi as his coach? He also would completely overshadow him and Z's massive ego just couldn't take that.
Yeah, I could see Agassi telling him, "Don't hold your forehand grip like that. Hold it more conservative like this. This gives you more pop. "

You're probably right. Zverev would last for probably one or two sessions and then Agassi would be gone. I was surprised Agassi lasted as long as he did with Djokovic.
 

Born_to_slice

Semi-Pro
Wouldn't take this too seriously. Zverev is always lightly sarcastic in interviews. Only good thing about him too because his game puts me to sleep.
 

duaneeo

Hall of Fame
I think Zverev's ego is so enormous that he resented the attention Lendl as an ATG was getting. He overshadowed his pupil by far outside of Germany. During his first round loss at Wimbledon, ESPN kept showing Lendl in the stands and endlessly talking about him instead of that nauseating brat on court. Imagine if he had Agassi as his coach? He also would completely overshadow him and Z's massive ego just couldn't take that. It's always gotta be all about him. Cahill wouldn't coach him, he said last year he just doesn't think it would be a "good fit."
Your Zverev rants are getting scary.
 

a10best

Hall of Fame
I translate literally what Zverev said:
"Sometimes we go to the practice court. I practice for 2 hours, and half an hour of that time he just stands with his back to the court and talks with someone about how he played golf that morning. Also he has a new dog and spends very much time with it. After Wimbledon we had a clarifying conversation. I clearly demanded from him to better focus on tennis from now on."
So, Zvevrev admits he is easily distracted and does not focus when he needs to. If you can hit balls and not tune out the noise, how can you expect to win big points in crucial matches? You need that ultimate focus frame of mind like Djokovic.
If you can't get there, then after losing points, proceed to blame & break rackets, berate yourself which scares the ballboys and linesman, and let your true colors show in post match loss interview.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Maybe it's not the coaches?
He gets rid of them and does much betterer. Lendl has got to go; the results have been horrible except for WTF. Lendl is a failure. Its not working. Time for change for both of them.
 
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