Zverev the only player who beaten peak Alcaraz?

Ribdal beat Tiny Carl in the IW SF but a year ago. Disgust.

*Insert angry Bamos noises*
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Yeah he was looking far more solid at IW imo, at RG he had already had that shocker where he should have lost to Ramos-Vinolas. I think people started suggesting he would struggle with Nadal’s heavy lefty topspin in the SF if they made it, because of how he’d dealt with ARV

Only one way to find out this year ofc…
 
He will be a serious problem for tiny if he gets fully healthy. Bad matchup for the shark mouth. Cause he actually hits the ball with force. Unlike crapdededev. Zverevs problem has always been his serving. If he can fix that he’ll win slams
 
TheNachoMan said:
Cameron Norrie smashed him. British sporting exceptionalism.
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Cameron Norrie is elite. He saved his best ever performance in Europe for the most difficult arena, during the most chaotic period of our history. Brave, aggressive, tenacious, creative, He has it all…

This is me going through my stealing tweets phase. Rory Jennings remix part 1.
 
RaulRamirez said:
We're in agreement, which is why I replied as I did.
On the women's side, I guess Hingis peaked as a teen, and also Seles (but circumstances played a major role).
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It depends what we mean by peaking here. Nadal you could argue peaked physically as a teen, but obviously peaked as a tennis player later.
 
RaulRamirez said:
We're in agreement, which is why I replied as I did.
On the women's side, I guess Hingis peaked as a teen, and also Seles (but circumstances played a major role).
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Tracy Austin also peaked as a teen, but in terms of male players, not a single ATG peaked as a teen as you know. Alcaraz is far, far from his peak right now. Fed at 19 in 2000-2001 still got about 35% better by 2004-2007.
 
Dominic & Andrey said:
Zverev has the highest peak of the the little 3, well until he chokes.
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Yeah Zed's issue isn't talent. He actually has ATG talent imo he just sucks. Those rare times he was really firing on all cylinders without any mental muggery (Citi Open 18 always comes to mind for me) he looked unplayable. Idk how much his diabetes effects him but to me he's one of the bigger underachievers in tennis history compared to talent level.
 
BeatlesFan said:
Tracy Austin also peaked as a teen, but in terms of male players, not a single ATG peaked as a teen as you know. Alcaraz is far, far from his peak right now. Fed at 19 in 2000-2001 still got about 35% better by 2004-2007.
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I forgot about Tracy.
We'll find out over the years, although there is no way to know this 100%., as tennis is not like track or swimming where you're racing against a clock.

It appears that Alcaraz has much greater clarity of approach than Roger did -- better game management, more confidence, etc. He may still add new wrinkles to his game, but his degree of polish right now is pretty amazing. At the very least, he will be a lot of fun to watch over the years...may he stay healthy, and motivated!
 
First of all, he hasn't peaked.

Secondly, there's plenty that have beaten a decent Alcaraz since he showed up last year. Nadal, Sinner (2x), Zverev, Norrie (2x), Felix, Musetti, and Korda have all beaten a solid version of Carlitos.
 
Fabresque said:
First of all, he hasn't peaked.

Secondly, there's plenty that have beaten a decent Alcaraz since he showed up last year. Nadal, Sinner (2x), Zverev, Norrie (2x), Felix, Musetti, and Korda have all beaten a solid version of Carlitos.
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Alcaraz has played to his potential only at Miami 22, Madrid 22, USO 22 and IW 23. He has won them all. You can say he played almost as well at RG22 but a bit unlucky with the TB against Zverev. All other matches were meaningless or puberty Carlos.
 
ND-13 said:
Alcaraz has played to his potential only at Miami 22, Madrid 22, USO 22 and IW 23. He has won them all. You can say he played almost as well at RG22 but a bit unlucky with the TB against Zverev. All other matches were meaningless or puberty Carlos.
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This is such horse dookey. It's the same crap that people say for Nadal whenever he loses, not a real loss. The worst excuse I hear on this website by far.

Alcaraz didn't just not try vs Norrie when he lost to him a few weeks ago, and he himself will admit that.
 
Fabresque said:
This is such horse dookey. It's the same crap that people say for Nadal whenever he loses, not a real loss. The worst excuse I hear on this website by far.

Alcaraz didn't just not try vs Norrie when he lost to him a few weeks ago, and he himself will admit that.
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Alcaraz was clearly injured and yet he took it to a final set 5-7 loss
 
At this point both Zverev and FAA are 3-1 against Alcaraz. The first 2 losses against Zverev he was 18 and ended that year ranked outside of the Top 30. The Zverev RG win was a solid win and yet Alcaraz did bounce back by winning the USO. FAA got Alcaraz twice on indoor courts and Alcaraz did retire in the USO at their first meeting. Remember, Chris Evert dominated a young Steffi Graf in their first 6 or 7 meetings, but Graf eventually turned the tables and took control of the rivalry. I think it's too early to know if these players will constantly give Alcaraz trouble.

Alcaraz at this time is a monster in Cat 1-2 high bouncing courts and his speed, FH, and return of serve can succeed at that pace. The faster courts will require him to improve his serve and have a more effective slice backhand to help neutralize pace. He has good hands, volley, and good Tennis instincts (not a brainless ball basher as some have said) so I think he can eventually win a tournament as Wimbledon (especially on this current surface). I think the bigger issue is some of these reoccurring injuries and if his body can sustain his grueling game year after year without missing many tournaments.
 
We're still about four years out from Carlos's peak. Maybe even more, given how long careers are lasting now. Don't think that Carlos's team isn't taking notes at what Djokovic is doing to extend his longevity.
 
The Guru said:
1st two sets of Djokovic/Nadal >>. I think if Carlos and Zed played at that intensity they would have to dip too. Or they would just be down 0-2.
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4th set of Zvercaraz was the highest quality set of the entire tournament no Cap.

I agree that both Djokodal would've won in H2H but they were weirdly poor in the 22 QF. Both played super tight, then zoned, then the 3rd&4th sets were kind of garbage early break sets. I don't think both of them actually played well at the same time for more than a couple games that entire match. In hindsight, very overrated and weird match. Although the first two sets were a heck of a spectacle with the Nadal FH GOATing 10/10 difficulty shots and freewheeling to 8 of the first 10 games, then for Novak to start lasering every return to the baseline and win the 2nd set.
 
Fabresque said:
This is such horse dookey. It's the same crap that people say for Nadal whenever he loses, not a real loss. The worst excuse I hear on this website by far.

Alcaraz didn't just not try vs Norrie when he lost to him a few weeks ago, and he himself will admit that.
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I picked each victory and the number of sets at Indian Wells, it was easy, I didn't have a headache however.
 
BeatlesFan said:
There's no ATG who ever peaked at age 19. The closest might be Becker or Wilander, but they still played better in their early to mid-20's.
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Becker said himself that the best he played was in 1996. He won the Australian Open, had a serious wrist injury at Wimbledon, then when recovered, he then beat peak Sampras indoors two out to three times in the late season and also won the Grand Slam Cup (without dropping a set) - at ages 28/29
 
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People don't know how to analyze a tennis match and only look at a player's "status", or at least the status they decided to give him. I was told that losing to Zverev is a shame no matter what because he was deemed a mug. Doesn't matter that he actually played at a very high level to defeat Alcaraz, because "he's a mug". Period. It's almost as dumb as ATG status being treated like a mythical transformation as if tennis was Dragon Ball or Pokemon.

Too many people don't know what they're talking about, that's TTW for you.
 
AgassiSuperSlam11 said:
At this point both Zverev and FAA are 3-1 against Alcaraz. The first 2 losses against Zverev he was 18 and ended that year ranked outside of the Top 30. The Zverev RG win was a solid win and yet Alcaraz did bounce back by winning the USO. FAA got Alcaraz twice on indoor courts and Alcaraz did retire in the USO at their first meeting. Remember, Chris Evert dominated a young Steffi Graf in their first 6 or 7 meetings, but Graf eventually turned the tables and took control of the rivalry. I think it's too early to know if these players will constantly give Alcaraz trouble.

Alcaraz at this time is a monster in Cat 1-2 high bouncing courts and his speed, FH, and return of serve can succeed at that pace. The faster courts will require him to improve his serve and have a more effective slice backhand to help neutralize pace. He has good hands, volley, and good Tennis instincts (not a brainless ball basher as some have said) so I think he can eventually win a tournament as Wimbledon (especially on this current surface). I think the bigger issue is some of these reoccurring injuries and if his body can sustain his grueling game year after year without missing many tournaments.
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You are intelligent. You make coherent and substantive specific arguments.

This place is not for people like you. Get out
 
Carlos at his peak? He is still just scratching the surface. He has already made improvements and will continue to do so. I can already tell, that next 12-15 yrs are going to be long af for some you. Lol
 
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didnt play well that day..their 2021 match was when they both played higher level
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A good 'Djoke'.
Nadal played that RG tournament very badly (by his ridiculous standards there) and the icing on the cake was his semifinal against the Serbian wolf, where he did not live up to expectations.
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I can't believe that TTW falls for hyperboles everytime. What happened to Alcaraz in that RG match will happen again and happen more and more often as the tour starts to figure him out.

Medvedev faced him for the first time, and his serve had abandoned him and his ground strokes not really adjusted to Alcaraz. The next time they meet, Medvedev will probably beat him.

Make no mistake, Alcaraz is the best after Novak today. But he is not entirely unbeatable. He beat nobody of note in his US Open win. And when he looked this dangerous last year, he lost to Z on his favorite surface.


Med will adjust to him too, it's just that Alcaraz's game is extremely different to the kind of style he has had to face.
 
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