Zverev to overtake Federer

chjtennis

G.O.A.T.
On the singles race. Federer will be outside top 10 for the first time since 2002, and Zverev is less than 600 pts away from Federer's total for 2016. With some strong finish, Zverev can finish the year inside top 15. That's by far the best results by any of the youngsters in recent years. I think this kid will be a permanent top 10 next year, may even be inside top 5 by 2018. About time we needed some young top player. His success will motivate all the other young guns as well.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
On the singles race. Federer will be outside top 10 for the first time since 2002, and Zverev is less than 600 pts away from Federer's total for 2016. With some strong finish, Zverev can finish the year inside top 15. That's by far the best results by any of the youngsters in recent years. I think this kid will be a permanent top 10 next year, may even be inside top 5 by 2018. About time we needed some young top player. His success will motivate all the other young guns as well.
He's on a bigger roll than that. Exploding on hard courts late in the season on arguably his worst surface. He'll be in the top ten quickly.
 
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JRAJ1988

Guest
Good, we asked for new stars to breakthrough, we've got Thiem whom I hope makes the WTF's, Pouille, Kygrios and soon Zverev in the top 20, even Zverev's older brother is on the cusp of the 100.

There are more youngens in and around the top 200, it's only a matter of time.

I still think Federer could make the top ten next year.
 
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Urkezi

Semi-Pro
Sign me up. I'd love to see him rise high. It's about time.
Absolutely. In fact, it's been so dull lately I'd pretty much be happy to see anyone from the new guard rise high, even at the expense of Roger, although I simply don't believe 2017 will be the year of massive change. There is still hope, though.
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
Absolutely. In fact, it's been so dull lately I'd pretty much be happy to see anyone from the new guard rise high, even at the expense of Roger, although I simply don't believe 2017 will be the year of massive change. There is still hope, though.
Yup. I tried to watch a Murray match today, but it was just like watching Novak. Grind, grind, grind. Whereas watching Muller was fun even though he does not have much of a return game. Anything to get away from the grind. Hopefully Zverev will concentrate on improving his net game. With his serve it's a natural next step.
 

chjtennis

G.O.A.T.
Good, we asked for new stars to breakthrough, we've got Thiem whom I hope makes the WTF's, Pouille, Kygrios and soon Zverev in the top 20, even Zverev's older brother is on the cusp of the 100.

There are more youngens in and around the top 200, it's only a matter of time.

I still think Federer could make the top ten next year.
And he will get no. 18! ;)
 

chjtennis

G.O.A.T.
Yup. I tried to watch a Murray match today, but it was just like watching Novak. Grind, grind, grind. Whereas watching Muller was fun even though he does not have much of a return game. Anything to get away from the grind. Hopefully Zverev will concentrate on improving his net game. With his serve it's a natural next step.
With his height, he'll feel like a wall at the net!
 
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Deleted member 743561

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By 'easily', I didn't mean 'in one tournament', I promise :p

Sorry, had to get in on the bumping spree.
Heh. Sweet resuscitation. The turnover rate on page one is exquisite. Fresh threads cranked out at a breakneck pace, and, yep, excavation aplenty. :)
 
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Fedfan34

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On the singles race. Federer will be outside top 10 for the first time since 2002, and Zverev is less than 600 pts away from Federer's total for 2016. With some strong finish, Zverev can finish the year inside top 15. That's by far the best results by any of the youngsters in recent years. I think this kid will be a permanent top 10 next year, may even be inside top 5 by 2018. About time we needed some young top player. His success will motivate all the other young guns as well.
Oh, phew. For a moment there I was worried he'd overtake him in the Slam count.
 
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Deleted member 743561

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I'm soaking up the ambiance here until RG. This last week has been ineffable. It's like a forum-wide victory lap.
I hear you! This one sneaked up on me. My expectations were so low... I just wanted to see beautiful tennis. Then this thing... against that opponent... yeah, it's still hard for me to wrap my mind around it. Seriously, though, almost agree with a couple of the posts I've seen re retirement from the forum if he hadn't pulled that one out. :p
 

TheFifthSet

Legend
I hear you! This one sneaked up on me. My expectations were so low... I just wanted to see beautiful tennis. Then this thing... against that opponent... yeah, it's still hard for me to wrap my mind around it. Seriously, though, almost agree with a couple of the posts I've seen re retirement from the forum if he hadn't pulled that one out. :p
Hahahaha. I think I'm in here for the long haul, but I probably would have taken an extended break. It felt different when Nadal broke in the fifth this time. I don't know, maybe I was hoping against hope, but I didn't think Federer would go down without mounting a huge resistance. When he broke to level, even though the victory was far from assured, I felt supremely confident.

Also, I'm not generally prone to magical thinking, but something was off in the lead-up to the final, on Nadal fans ends. I think they steadfastly believed it would be the same old song and dance. Federer doing a 180 on the prevailing narrative seemed like the best possible storyline. I guess there's still a small part of me that thinks the universe is friendly to something like the Campbellian Monomyth unfolding IRL. :p
 

TheFifthSet

Legend
The way it played out was crazily bipolar. Match starts... give him like a 20% chance. Bags set one... I'm like okay, 40% now. That was huge. Loses two, and it's BO3. Takes the third, I exhaled. Got this. Somehow squanders four, and it was just like old times. And yet, there was equanimity. Regardless, the stress sweat stench was pungent. I couldn't watch some of the beginning of the fifth. Much of the comeback from 1-3 down is a blur... that happened so quickly. And I fully agree with the vague sense that there was something different about this. Fed had a fearlessness bordering on recklessness... and win or lose it would be okay, because the sac was on display. He won the battle of wills!
He really did.

The only way it could have been better was if he went I/O on that last forehand for a clean winner. Goes without saying that this is a good problem to have. :p
 

beltsman

Legend
The way it played out was crazily bipolar. Match starts... give him like a 20% chance. Bags set one... I'm like okay, 40% now. That was huge. Loses two, and it's BO3. Takes the third, I exhaled. Got this. Somehow squanders four, and it was just like old times. And yet, there was equanimity. Regardless, the stress sweat stench was pungent. I couldn't watch some of the beginning of the fifth. Much of the comeback from 1-3 down is a blur... that happened so quickly. And I fully agree with the vague sense that there was something different about this. Fed had a fearlessness bordering on recklessness... and win or lose it would be okay, because the sac was on display. He won the battle of wills!
Fed played freely. The whole world felt it.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
The way it played out was crazily bipolar. Match starts... give him like a 20% chance. Bags set one... I'm like okay, 40% now. That was huge. Loses two, and it's BO3. Takes the third, I exhaled. Got this. Somehow squanders four, and it was just like old times. And yet, there was equanimity. Regardless, the stress sweat stench was pungent. I couldn't watch some of the beginning of the fifth. Much of the comeback from 1-3 down is a blur... that happened so quickly. And I fully agree with the vague sense that there was something different about this. Fed had a fearlessness bordering on recklessness... and win or lose it would be okay, because the sac was on display. He won the battle of wills!
Meanwhile, Zverev took Fed out again at Hopman cup and nearly Nadal at the Auz Open. Zverev won't overtake Fed this year, but he's 1500 points behind and we wait for their next match.:D
 

fedtennisphan

Hall of Fame
L O L

Who knew that Federer would meet and perhaps exceed even @KINGROGER's expectations.
Who knew that Federer was trying get as much points as he could because he was planning to skip the entire clay court season. When are you guys going to stop thinking Federer is trying to win Stuttgart. That’s a business decision only. Federer fooled fans again by playing MONTREAL and picking up an “injury” so that he didn’t have to play Cincy and only go so far at the US Open. Sorry, The Laver Cup means something to Federer and wanted to be fresh for that and setting up his second half playing the tournaments he wanted and not overplaying.
 

ChrisRF

Hall of Fame
Who knew that Federer was trying get as much points as he could because he was planning to skip the entire clay court season. When are you guys going to stop thinking Federer is trying to win Stuttgart. That’s a business decision only. Federer fooled fans again by playing MONTREAL and picking up an “injury” so that he didn’t have to play Cincy and only go so far at the US Open. Sorry, The Laver Cup means something to Federer and wanted to be fresh for that and setting up his second half playing the tournaments he wanted and not overplaying.
While you could very well be right about Stuttgart, the Laver Cup claim is ridiculous. If anything is just about “being there and promote” than it is the Laver Cup. As if he deliberately loses at the US Open just to have 4 more days to prepare for a friendly match against Querrey.
 

fedtennisphan

Hall of Fame
While you could very well be right about Stuttgart, the Laver Cup claim is ridiculous. If anything is just about “being there and promote” than it is the Laver Cup. As if he deliberately loses at the US Open just to have 4 more days to prepare for a friendly match against Querrey.
Wrong. Federer would never disrespect Rod Laver by coming to him with the idea of the Laver Cup just to be there and promote it. Fortunately for the game of tennis, Roger Federer cares more about the people who played (past or present) and how he will his mark outside of just getting a bunch of trophies.
 

ChrisRF

Hall of Fame
Wrong. Federer would never disrespect Rod Laver by coming to him with the idea of the Laver Cup just to be there and promote it. Fortunately for the game of tennis, Roger Federer cares more about the people who played (past or present) and how he will his mark outside of just getting a bunch of trophies.
By just being there and promote I meant being on court, but the result of the Querrey match was irrelevant compared to the US Open result. No way he even thought about the Laver Cup during the Del Potro match in New York.

And that’s not a special Federer thing, because no tennis player would. Nobody would just walk away from a Grand Slam to be fit for a simple test run for a non-ATP event with upredictable future (which was still 5 days away at the finals day to begin with).

The Laver Cup is NOTHING compared to the Slams and always will be. Not only for traditional reasons, but just because tennis is not a team sport. Or do you think a win for “Team Europe” over “Team World” matters one bit in tennis history?

Important was Federer and Nadal promoting it by being there and being friedly with each other. That for example was a statement against some of the so-called “past greats” who were unable to show such kind of emotions. The whole statement of the Laver Cup was showing that the world's best players are not only rivals but also belong together BECAUSE they have a fair rivalry. It was a fine thing, but no need to sacrifice any real competition for it.
 

wangs78

Hall of Fame
I actually think Zverev plays better as an underdog than as a favorite. I feel like when he falls behind as a favorite his ego and frustration prevent him from mounting a comeback whereas against players like The Big 4 he mentally stays more focused.
 

fedtennisphan

Hall of Fame
By just being there and promote I meant being on court, but the result of the Querrey match was irrelevant compared to the US Open result. No way he even thought about the Laver Cup during the Del Potro match in New York.

And that’s not a special Federer thing, because no tennis player would. Nobody would just walk away from a Grand Slam to be fit for a simple test run for a non-ATP event with upredictable future (which was still 5 days away at the finals day to begin with).

The Laver Cup is NOTHING compared to the Slams and always will be. Not only for traditional reasons, but just because tennis is not a team sport. Or do you think a win for “Team Europe” over “Team World” matters one bit in tennis history?

Important was Federer and Nadal promoting it by being there and being friedly with each other. That for example was a statement against some of the so-called “past greats” who were unable to show such kind of emotions. The whole statement of the Laver Cup was showing that the world's best players are not only rivals but also belong together BECAUSE they have a fair rivalry. It was a fine thing, but no need to sacrifice any real competition for it.
Nothing to YOU. But to FEDERER it means something and it is his opinion that matters ULTIMATELY.
 
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