Zverev was better Player in Cincinnati SF'24!

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yash_chanda72

Rookie
Here are the stats where zverev was leading:

- Aces
- 1st Serve %
- Win % ok first serve
- Total Break Points won
- Service points won
- Service Games won

Still, somehow he manages to lose, can't fathom the weak clutchness of this pro tennis player!
 
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FeroBango

Legend
I don't think you can ever be as good as the player who wins the match against you.

You can be nearly as good but I have issues with saying someone lost despite being better. Fine margins and all, but they really cannot be better yet also be the loser at the same time.

I couldn't watch the match because who tf would want to watch Zverev vs Sinner marred by Cincinnati rain especially if they live in India? But it looks like Sinner won in 3 as I'd believed he would. Thus, Sinner was better, and is the prohibitive favorite for his 3rd masters.
 
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dking68

dking68

Legend
yash_chanda72 said:
Here are the stats where zverev was leading:

- Aces
- 1st Serve %
- Win % ok first serve
- Total Break Points won
- Service points won
- Service Games won

Still, somehow he manages to lose, can't fathom the weak clutchness of this pro tennis player!
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That’s what makes the difference between a good and a great player. Sinner, already a grand slam champion from the young age of 22 played and showed better in the more decisive moments of the match. This is why Zverev has yet to win a GS title, and will be regarded as a good player but never a great one.
 
anarosevoli

anarosevoli

Semi-Pro
FeroBango said:
I don't think you can ever be as good the player who wins the match against you.

You can be nearly as good but I have issues with saying someone lost despite being better. Fine margins and all, but they really cannot be better yet also be the loser at the same time.

I couldn't watch the match because who tf would want to watch Zverev vs Sinner marred by Cincinnati rain especially if they live in India? But it looks like Sinner won in 3 as I'd believed he would. Thus, Sinner was better, and is the prohibitive favorite for his 3rd masters.
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What logic is this?
6:7, 6:0, 6:7
Tennis scoring system is just prehistoric and completely crazy. Very often the better player loses.
 
sortof

sortof

Professional
yash_chanda72 said:
Here are the stats where zverev was leading:

- Aces
- 1st Serve %
- Win % ok first serve
- Total Break Points won
- Service points won
- Service Games won

Still, somehow he manages to lose, can't fathom the weak clutchness of this pro tennis player!
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The differences in those categories you listed and in which the Zedrot was leading is pretty marginal or insignificant due to lowish sample numbers (e.g. break points saved). Sonic however was clearly ahead in terms of 2nd serve return points won, 47% versus 36%; and UEs 22 versus 29. The Zedrot was serving faster, this and just 3 more aces than Sonic were his only significant lead. If you do stats do it right.
 
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FeroBango

Legend
anarosevoli said:
What logic is this?
6:7, 6:0, 6:7
Tennis scoring system is just prehistoric and completely crazy. Very often the better player loses.
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Get back to me when the scoring system that determines winners and losers changes. Not that I disagree that you can earn more points and still lose, but not every point is the same, and the player who wins the more decisive points more often than not, wins matches.

This is as far as the Tennis I've known goes. Whether the scoring has to change is an entirely different debate altogether.

My post also doesn't necessarily disagree on the notion that you can be a close second to the winner, but the winner is deemed winner because they are the ones with most important of points in their bag.
 
NeutralFan

NeutralFan

G.O.A.T.
Arak said:
Zverev actually won one set. Sinner won two tiebreaks. Tiebreaks are effectively like penalty shootouts in football. I have no problem believing Zverev was the better player. In sports the better player doesn’t always win.
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Was also serving for the first set
 
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kangaroo1973

Semi-Pro
He as always choked. This time in the first set. But Sinner was stellar in both tiebreaks, Zverev tends to fold on big points as proven by his GS record
 
RF-18

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
He won 2 of 2 tiebreaks. So he won the most important stages of the match. Check the final TB and you will see why Sinner won this match. In the most crucial points he took initiative and played daring tennis. He hit 2 amazing FH winners and a return winner.

Upon checking the stats Sinner won a higher percentage of service points won, return points won and total points won. I don't know how Zverev was the better player.
 
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kangaroo1973

Semi-Pro
RF-18 said:
He won 2 of 2 tiebreaks. So he won the most important stages of the match. Check the final TB and you will see why Sinner won this match. In the most crucial points he took initiative and played daring tennis. He hit 2 amazing FH winners and a return winner.

Upon checking the stats Sinner won a higher percentage of service points won, return points won and total points won. I don't know how Zverev was the better player.
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Well Zed choked in the first set( which is his trademark )
 
zagor

zagor

Bionic Poster
Unless its a bad umpire call on a crucial point or maybe a freak injury, there's no such thing as a "better player losing". One of the main things that makes tennis unique as a sport is its scoring system.
 
TheSlicer

TheSlicer

Hall of Fame
FeroBango said:
I don't think you can ever be as good the player who wins the match against you.

You can be nearly as good but I have issues with saying someone lost despite being better. Fine margins and all, but they really cannot be better yet also be the loser at the same time.

I couldn't watch the match because who tf would want to watch Zverev vs Sinner marred by Cincinnati rain especially if they live in India? But it looks like Sinner won in 3 as I'd believed he would. Thus, Sinner was better, and is the prohibitive favorite for his 3rd masters.
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Despite what people think, tennis is a pretty fair sport, the winners always did the important thing better, also the scoring system is key, doesnt Matter the number of points, whats important is to know how to play one particular point depending on the situation
 
weakera

weakera

Talk Tennis Guru
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Open Stance

Open Stance

Professional
Sinner came out on top for total points won 124 - 121 which reflects what happened on the scoreboard - Sinner won a closely contested match.
 
TheSlicer

TheSlicer

Hall of Fame
anarosevoli said:
What logic is this?
6:7, 6:0, 6:7
Tennis scoring system is just prehistoric and completely crazy. Very often the better player loses.
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Because tennis is a mental Game as much as a skill one, thats the logic, you dont play every point the same, and if you are able to win 6-0, why you lose the Next set? Its all about controling your body and your mind in different score scenarios, thats tennis
 
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TheGoldenEra1990’s

Hall of Fame
Classic Zverev in those tiebreaks LOL. His entire career. It’s why he’s slamless

I’m convinced the guy would blow a 5-0 lead in the fifth set at a slam final
 
socallefty

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
anarosevoli said:
What logic is this?
6:7, 6:0, 6:7
Tennis scoring system is just prehistoric and completely crazy. Very often the better player loses.
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The beauty of tennis scoring is that not all points are equal and there are pressure moments like game points, set points, break points, tiebreaker points etc. where you have to do better to win the match. So, even someone like Djokovic with a GOAT career has won only 54% of points, but won more than 80% of matches.

It is like how life works where there are big moments of crisis, opportunities etc. where you have to do well to be successful. Tennis scoring is a good analogy of how life is and that is part of why I love playing it.
 
nolefam_2024

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
socallefty said:
The beauty of tennis scoring is that not all points are equal and there are pressure moments like game points, set points, break points, tiebreaker points etc. where you have to do better to win the match. So, even someone like Djokovic with a GOAT career has won only 54% of points, but won more than 80% of matches.

It is like how life works where there are big moments of crisis, opportunities etc. where you have to do well to be successful. Tennis scoring is a good analogy of how life is and that is part of why I love playing it.
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Its exactly same in badminton and other racket sports. Tennis is not unique in this.
 
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