Zverev will get to #1 next year

SpinToWin

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I'll lean out of the proverbial window and predict that one of my least favorite players on tour will reach the pinnacle of the rankings next year, displacing Djokovic.



That's all folks. Thx for dropping by, pls check out my soundcloud @ fmlidontwantzverevat1 . You'll find my fire trak zverevgoldilocksmorelikedamnhesucks on there.



PS: no slems for fedr next year, as he heads into one of the last 2 seasons of his career.
 
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I'll lean out of the proverbial window and predict that one of my least favorite players on tour will reach the pinnacle of the rankings next year, displacing Djokovic.



That's all folks. Thx for dropping by, pls check out my soundcloud @ fmlidontwantzverevat1 . You'll find my fire trak zverevgoldilocksmorelikedamnhesucks on there.



PS: no slems for fedr next year, as he heads into one of the last 2 seasons of his career.
Federer should keep playing until 2031. Just imagine the level he could reach.
 

SpinToWin

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But Djokovic was supposed to be ranked no 1 for the next 2-3 years unopposed?
Stop listening to the TTW literati, you need to listen to the PM Brigade philosophes. A revolution is nigh, heads will roll, people will write Reflections on the Revolution in Nitto Finals spewing vitriol full of nostalgic regret.
 

SpinToWin

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Federer should keep playing until 2031. Just imagine the level he could reach.
Ah yes, I see it before my mental eye. The fedr entering the stage with a walking cane and beating his opponents into submission like a slightly aged Bruce Lee who needs to see his chiropractor.

Oh wait, wrong sport?

No, right, fedr for WWE champ in 2031
 

Red Rick

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I'll lean out of the proverbial window and predict that one of my least favorite players on tour will reach the pinnacle of the rankings next year, displacing Djokovic.



That's all folks. Thx for dropping by, pls check out my soundcloud @ fmlidontwantzverevat1 . You'll find my fire trak zverevgoldilocksmorelikedamnhesucks on there.



PS: no slems for fedr next year, as he heads into one of the last 2 seasons of his career.
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I'll lean out of the proverbial window and predict that one of my least favorite players on tour will reach the pinnacle of the rankings next year, displacing Djokovic.



That's all folks. Thx for dropping by, pls check out my soundcloud @ fmlidontwantzverevat1 . You'll find my fire trak zverevgoldilocksmorelikedamnhesucks on there.



PS: no slems for fedr next year, as he heads into one of the last 2 seasons of his career.
How can Zverev be a candidate for 2019 no 1 when he hasn't even reached a slam semis yet?

You do actually have to win a slam first before you're even "eligible" for the top spot. I don't see that happening very quickly. He'll win one eventually but not in 2019, not in 2020.

I just find it fascinating that everyone was saying how horribly untalented Zverev was, yet now he is being singled out as the messiah.
 

SpinToWin

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How can Zverev be a candidate for 2019 no 1 when he hasn't even reached a slam semis yet?

You do actually have to win a slam first before you're even "eligible" for the top spot. I don't see that happening very quickly. He'll win one eventually but not in 2019, not in 2020.

I just find it fascinating that everyone was saying how horribly untalented Zverev was, yet now he is being singled out as the messiah.
LMAO take it from one of the foremost Z haterz on the site, people who called him untalented lack eyes, brains, or perhaps even both.

How can he be a candidate? How was Djokovic a candidate given recent performances? There’s no law that you need to reach a SF or F before ever winning a slam. Say he reaches the AO SF or F (not unlikely), is he then allowed to win a slam in the same year? Lol

How is a multiple Masters title holder who just beat the world number 1 convincingly in the WTF eligible as ‘19 #1? Gee I wonder.
 
LMAO take it from one of the foremost Z haterz on the site, people who called him untalented lack eyes, brains, or perhaps even both.

How can he be a candidate? How was Djokovic a candidate given recent performances? There’s no law that you need to reach a SF or F before ever winning a slam. Say he reaches the AO SF or F (not unlikely), is he then allowed to win a slam in the same year? Lol

How is a multiple Masters title holder who just beat the world number 1 convincingly in the WTF eligible as ‘19 #1? Gee I wonder.
You don't seem to understand. He wins 3 M1000s and THE Masters - BEFORE doing anything much in slams. Find me another such example - if you can. 4 big titles yet no slam. Murray comes closest, but Murray needed half a decade to win a slam. And he reached slam finales at least.

I.e. he is excelling at Big 9s yet totally underachieving in slams - at the SAME time. This is key: same time.

Remember Davydenko? 3 Big 9s and the Masters Cup. AND Russian. AND never reached a slam finale. Was no 3 in the world.
 

SpinToWin

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You don't seem to understand. He wins 3 M1000s and THE Masters - BEFORE doing anything much in slams. Find me another such example - if you can. 4 big titles yet no slam. Murray comes closest, but Murray needed half a decade to win a slam. And he reached slam finales at least.

I.e. he is excelling at Big 9s yet totally underachieving in slams - at the SAME time. This is key: same time.

Remember Davydenko? 3 Big 9s and the Masters Cup. AND Russian. AND never reached a slam finale. Was no 3 in the world.
And there were trends that were broken before. It’s like saying “nobody has won 14 slams before” to argue that Sampras won’t win 14. To rely on trends to predict the future in this manner (no mechanisms whatsoever) is stupid.
 

TU87

Rookie
He has all the talent necessary but Zverev will need to toughen up mentally. He is a front runner, just like with Federer and Djokovic matches, he was good/great when he got out front. I have little doubt that he would have lost either of those matches if he lost the first set. Just like in the round robin stage when he melted after losing the first set to Djokovic. You can have a bad match at the WTF and still win it. No mulligans at a regular tournament.
 
And there were trends that were broken before. It’s like saying “nobody has won 14 slams before” to argue that Sampras won’t win 14. To rely on trends to predict the future in this manner (no mechanisms whatsoever) is stupid.
You used "trends" to prove me wrong - then complain that trends can be broken and aren't a measuring stick!

I love your post, it's wonderful. Next time just admit defeat and move on. It's easier.
 

SpinToWin

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You used "trends" to prove me wrong - then complain that trends can be broken and aren't a measuring stick!

I love your post, it's wonderful. Next time just admit defeat and move on. It's easier.
Trends in form obviously is the same as arbitrary trends of when somebody wins a slam. You might as well be doing astrology.
 
Trends in form obviously is the same as arbitrary trends of when somebody wins a slam. You might as well be doing astrology.
So it's "astrology" when you disagree with it or when it doesn't support your fave player's greatness, but it's "educated guessing" when it supports your agenda?

Just checking.
 

Rosstour

Legend
I think it's very likely, and I'm really looking forward to seeing Djok and Ned finally on the receiving end of a new dominant player(s).
 

jukka1970

Professional
How can Zverev be a candidate for 2019 no 1 when he hasn't even reached a slam semis yet?

You do actually have to win a slam first before you're even "eligible" for the top spot. I don't see that happening very quickly. He'll win one eventually but not in 2019, not in 2020.

I just find it fascinating that everyone was saying how horribly untalented Zverev was, yet now he is being singled out as the messiah.
With all due respect Rios did it without winning a slam.

Now whether Zverev is capable of doing it or winning a slam is still unknown. We'll have to wait and see. Certainly can't base it one one tournament
 

SpinToWin

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So it's "astrology" when you disagree with it or when it doesn't support your fave player's greatness, but it's "educated guessing" when it supports your agenda?

Just checking.
I should’ve spoken of illiterati.

First of all, I mentioned one criteria (among many out there) for distinguishing good use of tendencies and mere appeals to accidental tendencies.

Second of all, I don’t think there’s many threads on here so clear about the dislike for the player at hand. Yet you think I’m his fan? U mad bro? If I was influenced by my dis/like of a player, either this thread would be about Dimitrov, or I’d be saying Zverev drops out of the top 100 in 2k19

Smh
 

SpinToWin

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I should’ve spoken of illiterati.

First of all, I mentioned one criteria (among many out there) for distinguishing good use of tendencies and mere appeals to accidental tendencies.

Second of all, I don’t think there’s many threads on here so clear about the dislike for the player at hand. Yet you think I’m his fan? U mad bro? If I was influenced by my dis/like of a player, either this thread would be about Dimitrov, or I’d be saying Zverev drops out of the top 100 in 2k19

Smh
Perhaps a good counterexample to the dumb narrative being espoused:

Off the top of my head, Roddick’s Slam record was around the same as Zverev’s going into 2003. His Masters record was worse. Roddick went on to reach two semis and win a slam in the same year, ending the year as #1
 

AM75

Hall of Fame
Wasn't Dimitrov projected to be Nr 1 in 2018 after his last year's London "triumph"?

"At 26-years-old (turning 27 in May 2018), Grigor is perfectly placed to climb to the top of the mountain because there are so many question marks around literally all of his competitors."
 

SpinToWin

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Smart win-win on my behalf:

People might bump this and laugh at me in a year’s time - but then I’ll be happy that Zed the dread didn’t make it.

If instead I bump it cause I’m right, I’ll have the slight consolation of having made a good educated guess.
 

SpinToWin

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Wasn't Dimitrov projected to be Nr 1 in 2018 after his last year's London "triumph"?

"At 26-years-old (turning 27 in May 2018), Grigor is perfectly placed to climb to the top of the mountain because there are so many question marks around literally all of his competitors."
Pls don’t mention Grigor ahhh o_O
 
With all due respect Rios did it without winning a slam.

Now whether Zverev is capable of doing it or winning a slam is still unknown. We'll have to wait and see. Certainly can't base it one one tournament
Rios actually SUPPORTS my argument. He is the only player of almost 30 to reach no 1 without a slam win, and he held the top pole for only a few weeks.
 

Al Czervik

Hall of Fame
Nextgen has yet to demonstrate that they know how to manage three out of five set tournaments. Someone will eventually break through, but this is an issue that the veterans are handling better.
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
Never has agreement felt so bad, smh
Sorry about this man, but wrote this in another thread in the middle of last week and thought it fits well here too:

Here's the definitive case for why Zverev will make it big:
- still just 21,5 - for comparison, Fed had 2 slam QF's and one Masters win as his best results at that age iirc
- he's got Lendl in his corner. Lendl wouldn't be there, if he didn't see the potential
-> look what Lendl did to Andy's forehand
- his BH is already world class
- he moves very well for a tall guy
- he can serve as big as the biggest servers, just needs to add a bit more placement and consistency
- he's 9-5 in finals, indicating a certain amount of mental toughness under pressure
- he's been winning 28 % of his return games in 2018, 5 % up from 2017. That's a great number for a big guy with room to improve in his hold game.
- his hold game has been a mere 82 % in 2018 - that's very bad for a guy that tall who's as capable from the back court as he is
-> yet he still leads the tour in match wins. Clearly there's room for improvement here with a Lendl-improved forehand after the serve and a better serve
- he's 41,7 % vs. top-10 players. Now I realize that number has been attained in the career inflation era, but it's still up there with Delpo (40,8) and better than Stan (37,1).
- he's a child of the transition era. More or less, there are no great players in their 20's. Opportunities will come his way

Conclusion: Like it or not, this kid is going places.

That said, I still expect Djoko to be the man to beat next year. But Zverev could well be his biggest challenger
 

SpinToWin

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Sorry about this man, but wrote this in another thread in the middle of last week and thought it fits well here too:

Here's the definitive case for why Zverev will make it big:
- still just 21,5 - for comparison, Fed had 2 slam QF's and one Masters win as his best results at that age iirc
- he's got Lendl in his corner. Lendl wouldn't be there, if he didn't see the potential
-> look what Lendl did to Andy's forehand
- his BH is already world class
- he moves very well for a tall guy
- he can serve as big as the biggest servers, just needs to add a bit more placement and consistency
- he's 9-5 in finals, indicating a certain amount of mental toughness under pressure
- he's been winning 28 % of his return games in 2018, 5 % up from 2017. That's a great number for a big guy with room to improve in his hold game.
- his hold game has been a mere 82 % in 2018 - that's very bad for a guy that tall who's as capable from the back court as he is
-> yet he still leads the tour in match wins. Clearly there's room for improvement here with a Lendl-improved forehand after the serve and a better serve
- he's 41,7 % vs. top-10 players. Now I realize that number has been attained in the career inflation era, but it's still up there with Delpo (40,8) and better than Stan (37,1).
- he's a child of the transition era. More or less, there are no great players in their 20's. Opportunities will come his way

Conclusion: Like it or not, this kid is going places.

That said, I still expect Djoko to be the man to beat next year. But Zverev could well be his biggest challenger
This is torture.

Great post. Terrifying
 

jukka1970

Professional
Rios actually SUPPORTS my argument. He is the only player of almost 30 to reach no 1 without a slam win, and he held the top pole for only a few weeks.
how does that support your argument. You said Zverev would have to win a slam. I'm saying Rios did it without winning a slam. am I missing something here?
 

Incognito

Legend
May @SpinToWin not speaketh the truth this time.

Ye though he walks in the valley of Darkness with no prime fedalovicray, he should fear DelHoTro, and Tsitsipas and Hewitts’s young spanish prodigy.
 
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