Federer Should Wildcard Monte Carlo

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Many, many reasons:
1. His form is actually building right now and its starting to look like shades of 2017, but betterer. No tough matches at Miami and Isner final will not tax him. In 2017, Bendych and Kyrgios took him to three sets in back to back matches and he needed the time off. That's just not the case now.
2. Federer is playing Madrid (confirmed on entry list) and RG. Two weeks off and then Monte Carlo would be the perfect addition to his schedule to keep his form sharp without overdoing it (Madrid two weeks after MC). Skip Rome and he gets another two weeks off before RG. (Madrid/Rome back to back would be insane.)
3. Fed's new backhand might take extremely well on clay as he'll have plenty of time to really unload.
4. With Miami win Federer is 2100 points behind Nadal who has bad knee and defends MC, Barcelona, and Rome titles (2680 points with Madrid QF). If Federer can amass nearly 1000 points on clay (final and SF) he might pass Nadal for 2nd seed at RG.:eek: This gives him 50/50 chance of Nadal/Djoko SF at RG and of course he'd love to be waiting for a likely beleaguered Djoko in the final.:laughing:
5. Not playing Monte Carlo risks Thiem overtaking him for 4th seed at RG and then the chance of very hard draw at RG. (Thiem playing three masters on clay and Barcelona has good chance of winning one of them, more if Nadal's knee causes him to drop Madrid, Barcelona and/or Rome to rest for RG.)
6. Would add tremendously to his legacy and if his last year on clay, why not make a full go of it.
7. Federer has never won Monte Carlo and with Djoko reeling and Rafa heeling, time to strike.

I don't ask much and Fresherer looks clearly up to the task.:cool:
 
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BeatlesFan said:
This has already been put to bed, Meles. He's not playing MC and you were provided the reasons and the source why he will not. He's on vaca with the family when MC is contested. He's already said this several times.
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Time to stop the slacking and have family vacation in Monte Carlo.;) He doesn't need training block ffs. Keep playing!
 
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He is going to be playing too much clay tennis as it is

Should instead announce he is not playing the lightless and roofless Roland Garros
 
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MeatTornado said:
Fed's not hitting his backhand any better than he was the last couple times he played clay.

It's not 2017 anymore.
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Disagree. He's back right now and imagine if he were serving well on top of it. Draw maybe easier for him this year in Miami, but that just makes him all the fresher for his last historic clay run.

I'll be fine if he throws in towel and hands over 4 seed at RG to Thiem. It would just be a master stroke for him to play MC and give himself a chance even at 2 seed.

Look how Djoko cratered after too much time off when he was on fire at Auz Open.

I'd never advocate this if Fed did not look so physically good and sharp right now. It may be the low first serve percentage means he needs time off as something off with the backerer.

Fed is winning on slow hard courts so more clay and a chance to put a lot of pressure on Nadal for #2 seed that could get Nadal to play one tournament too much and leave RG for the taking. Playing Monte Carlo would be like some brilliant chess gambit in the GOAT wars between the Big 3.
 
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Meles said:
Many, many reasons:
1. His form is actually building right now and its starting to look like shades of 2017, but betterer. No tough matches at Miami and Isner final will not tax him. In 2017, Bendych and Kyrgios took him to three sets in back to back matches and he needed the time off. That's just not the case now.
2. Federer is playing Madrid (confirmed on entry list) and RG. Two weeks off and then Monte Carlo would be the perfect addition to his schedule to keep his form sharp without overdoing it (Madrid two weeks after MC). Skip Rome and he gets another two weeks off before RG. (Madrid/Rome back to back would be insane.)
3. Fed's new backhand might take extremely well on clay as he'll have plenty of time to really unload.
4. With Miami win Federer is 2100 points behind Nadal who has bad knee and defends MC, Barcelona, and Rome titles (2680 points with Madrid QF). If Federer can amass nearly 1000 points on clay (final and SF) he might pass Nadal for 2nd seed at RG.:eek: This gives him 50/50 chance of Nadal/Djoko SF at RG and of course he'd love to be waiting for a likely beleaguered Djoko in the final.:laughing:
5. Not playing Monte Carlo risks Thiem overtaking him for 4th seed at RG and then the chance of very hard draw at RG. (Thiem playing three masters on clay and Barcelona has good chance of winning one of them, more if Nadal's knee causes him to drop Madrid, Barcelona and/or Rome to rest for RG.)
6. Would add tremendously to his legacy and if his last year on clay, why not make a full go of it.
7. Federer has never won Monte Carlo and with Djoko reeling and Rafa heeling, time to strike.

I don't ask much and Fresherer looks clearly up to the task.:cool:
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tennisaddict said:
No thanks. The big prize is Wimbledon. Let Rafa do his usual thing at RG
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Observe the last 12 months. Federer can't and doesn't orientate everything around Wimbledon any more. Too many people can hurt him there now. As soon as he knows he is not a sure thing in something, he recalibrates.
 
stringertom

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Secret Fedal deal struck over coffee at IW:

fedr: “You act hurt at IW and withdraw and skip Miami then I get Germanic hitman Kohlie to upset Joe Kovic and you get Armada hitman RBA to do the same. I then agree to stay away for your duodecima at M-C. Deal?”

The Nadal: “Si! Muy tiempo por prp-ing por la arcilla!”
 
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metsman said:
Good to see a diamond gen report on diamond gen's most promising player!
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Well Federe and rest of big 3/5 were designated as part of Diamond Age with Thiem thrown in with the rest of the younglings. Isner is upsetting the Diamond Age apple cart, but FAA moral victor today.;) Quite shocked at his show of nerves/choking.
 
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Deon Sanders said:
Diamond gen certainly feeling more like cubic zirconia gen

Maybe in 15 years they will harden up
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To be clear Diamond Age includes the Big 3 so the stringer zirconia dig not quite on target. Basically its the Big 3 with younger players nipping at their heals. Isner is the first pigeon of yore that may bite back at the Diamond Age and of course he proved himself last year at Miami and Wimbledon so hardly a surprise. You just got a giant serving of Diamond Age at Miami with the two teen sensations showing for the SFs.:p

This year youngerers players just to be nipping at heals of Big 3 and maybe something in a major or close call.
 
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I've given up hoping for Fed to win Monte Carlo after he choked away his best chance a few years ago when he went up against Stan.
 
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duaneeo said:
Exactly. It's clear many still don't get that long periods of inactivity don't benefit a geriatric player who's still looking to win the big titles.
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It's just crazy to take a bunch of time off when you're fresh and on fire. Feddy limped over line at Miami in 2017 and wise choice to take some time off. I think the loss to Haas at Stuttgart helped make Wimbledon possible since he didn't tire himself out before Wimby going deep at two warm ups. Glad he's dropped Stuttgart and Madrid a fine choice and if he doesn't like it, just dump RG. One warmup for RG is not enough.
 
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I am a die hard Roger Federer fan, and incurably optimistic. I still believe that Roger Federer will win one more major. He is certainly a favourite at Wimbledonand if he gets a good draw he can even win US open, his worst non-clay slam.

That said I still maintain Roger has no chance in RG. It's not like he will lose only to Novak or Rafa. That ship has sailed in 2012, seven years ago. Since 2012, he has never reached either Rafa or Novak. It's the field taking care of him.

Even if he gets into a street fight and win a tough match against some player at RG, he will be gassed for the next round.
 
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Meles said:
Disagree. He's back right now and imagine if he were serving well on top of it. Draw maybe easier for him this year in Miami, but that just makes him all the fresher for his last historic clay run.

I'll be fine if he throws in towel and hands over 4 seed at RG to Thiem. It would just be a master stroke for him to play MC and give himself a chance even at 2 seed.

Look how Djoko cratered after too much time off when he was on fire at Auz Open.

I'd never advocate this if Fed did not look so physically good and sharp right now. It may be the low first serve percentage means he needs time off as something off with the backerer.

Fed is winning on slow hard courts so more clay and a chance to put a lot of pressure on Nadal for #2 seed that could get Nadal to play one tournament too much and leave RG for the taking. Playing Monte Carlo would be like some brilliant chess gambit in the GOAT wars between the Big 3.
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No matter how slow hard court is, it's still different from clay. That difference matters to Roger a lot at this age! He is neither going to reach Rafa nor Djokovic at RG, let alone beat them.
 
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MichaelNadal said:
Fed is literally almost 38, it's crazy how much better the big 3 are than the nextgen.... but no way Nadal or Djokovic will be making masters finals at almost 40.
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If Nextgen does not include Thiem or Kyrgios and strictly is players that have been at Milan well then this is not much of a surprise.

The problem is their geriatric pigeons and the original lostgen who created a vacuum in the middle rankings that NextGen are scampering in to fill rather nicely.

Some on TTW have tempered the Big 3's slam bonanza siting changes in the game, but its becoming clearerer and clearerer that all three plus Murray and Stanimal are all very special players. You can't expect that kind of greatness to be displaced, only replaced.;) The match between Shapo and Tsits was amazingly good at Miami plus some others so tennis will do quite well with the NextGen. The issue has been the long term pigeons and good riddance to them with Bendych at the top of the heap.:sneaky:
 
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Feather said:
No matter how slow hard court is, it's still different from clay. That difference matters to Roger a lot at this age! He is neither going to reach Rafa nor Djokovic at RG, let alone beat them.
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I think the 2017 backhand change will be money on clay as he'll have time to just club backhands rather than be on the receiving end. We'll see in Madrid at least.:p
 
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Meles said:
Well Federe and rest of big 3/5 were designated as part of Diamond Age with Thiem thrown in with the rest of the younglings. Isner is upsetting the Diamond Age apple cart, but FAA moral victor today.;) Quite shocked at his show of nerves/choking.
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I just reviewed the OP of your proclamation of your self-named “Diamond Age” and it is clear the term refers to the Thiem and younger set with “cross age clashes between Gold and Diamond. Congratulations on your ability to refute yourself when you claim fedr is part of Diamond when he is clearly a main player in Gold.
 
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stringertom said:
I just reviewed the OP of your proclamation of your self-named “Diamond Age” and it is clear the term refers to the Thiem and younger set with “cross age clashes between Gold and Diamond. Congratulations on your ability to refute yourself when you claim fedr is part of Diamond when he is clearly a main player in Gold.
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Really? I must check. I take it back. You can call it zirconium. What is happening right now is exactly expected in the early part of the Diamond Age:
"3. The early part of the Diamond Age will be Big 3 (maybe 4 or 5) and Thiem contending for majors, but the younger players will be making deeper runs by 2020."

I'll have to call Big 3 Gold Age to delineate, but as I think about it that may be cumbersome so will have to ponder as its just easier to call this whole period the Diamond Age which it is in a way. Gold Age did not stick so will just go with Big 3/Thiem after RG if Stanimal doesn't do damage. Given 3 above, saying they are part of Diamond Age is not incorrect either. They are part of both periods.

I see you're happier with your teenage talent coming up big at Miami, but once they get well known then not discussed so much in teenage talent thread is how it seems to work out (which makes perfect sense).
 
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Meles said:
Really? I must check. I take it back. You can call it zirconium. What is happening right now is exactly expected in the early part of the Diamond Age:
"3. The early part of the Diamond Age will be Big 3 (maybe 4 or 5) and Thiem contending for majors, but the younger players will be making deeper runs by 2020."

I'll have to call Big 3 Gold Age to delineate.
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Too bad the word “Axis” has negative connotations so we cannot describe the triumvirate’s era as the Three S-Axis (Switzerland, Spain and Serbia) Era, est. 2003 with no foreseeable expiration date.
 
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Meles said:
Many, many reasons:
1. His form is actually building right now and its starting to look like shades of 2017, but betterer. No tough matches at Miami and Isner final will not tax him. In 2017, Bendych and Kyrgios took him to three sets in back to back matches and he needed the time off. That's just not the case now.
2. Federer is playing Madrid (confirmed on entry list) and RG. Two weeks off and then Monte Carlo would be the perfect addition to his schedule to keep his form sharp without overdoing it (Madrid two weeks after MC). Skip Rome and he gets another two weeks off before RG. (Madrid/Rome back to back would be insane.)
3. Fed's new backhand might take extremely well on clay as he'll have plenty of time to really unload.
4. With Miami win Federer is 2100 points behind Nadal who has bad knee and defends MC, Barcelona, and Rome titles (2680 points with Madrid QF). If Federer can amass nearly 1000 points on clay (final and SF) he might pass Nadal for 2nd seed at RG.:eek: This gives him 50/50 chance of Nadal/Djoko SF at RG and of course he'd love to be waiting for a likely beleaguered Djoko in the final.:laughing:
5. Not playing Monte Carlo risks Thiem overtaking him for 4th seed at RG and then the chance of very hard draw at RG. (Thiem playing three masters on clay and Barcelona has good chance of winning one of them, more if Nadal's knee causes him to drop Madrid, Barcelona and/or Rome to rest for RG.)
6. Would add tremendously to his legacy and if his last year on clay, why not make a full go of it.
7. Federer has never won Monte Carlo and with Djoko reeling and Rafa heeling, time to strike.

I don't ask much and Fresherer looks clearly up to the task.:cool:
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NO NO NO. Federer just played 2 1000 events, and his body is about to fall apart on this old man. He looked really tired in the 2nd set against Shapavolov, he may have lost it if it went 3 sets. He is lucky he has a day off before the final. He needs the rest before Madrid event.

And also Monte Carlo doesn't add anything to Roger's legacy. it is just another stupid 1000 event
 
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Meles said:
Disagree. He's back right now and imagine if he were serving well on top of it. Draw maybe easier for him this year in Miami, but that just makes him all the fresher for his last historic clay run.

I'll be fine if he throws in towel and hands over 4 seed at RG to Thiem. It would just be a master stroke for him to play MC and give himself a chance even at 2 seed.

Look how Djoko cratered after too much time off when he was on fire at Auz Open.

I'd never advocate this if Fed did not look so physically good and sharp right now. It may be the low first serve percentage means he needs time off as something off with the backerer.

Fed is winning on slow hard courts so more clay and a chance to put a lot of pressure on Nadal for #2 seed that could get Nadal to play one tournament too much and leave RG for the taking. Playing Monte Carlo would be like some brilliant chess gambit in the GOAT wars between the Big 3.
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Or maybe you are just being greedy :)

Yes, Roger did not want to take too much time off which is exactly why he’s even playing on clay.

And no, nothing is required for him to be GOAT, these wishes are just more fodder for the grist mill - got nothing to do with his already undisputable greatness
 
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NKDM said:
Or maybe you are just being greedy :)

Yes, Roger did not want to take too much time off which is exactly why he’s even playing on clay.

And no, nothing is required for him to be GOAT, these wishes are just more fodder for the grist mill - got nothing to do with his already undisputable greatness
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The MC wildcard would be a Battle of the Bulge type maneuver for Federe
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You guys just want him to stay in the bunker with the family.;)
 
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stringertom said:
Too bad the word “Axis” has negative connotations so we cannot describe the triumvirate’s era as the Three S-Axis (Switzerland, Spain and Serbia) Era, est. 2003 with no foreseeable expiration date.
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You've created a monster with the Federistas as part of one Axis. Djoko's on another and of course the Rafa fans. An Axis of Evil if ever there was one.:D
 
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Wow, that's a wonderful idea. :oops:He should enter Barcelona and Estoril also. The more clay tournaments he plays, the better he'll be prepared for the RG.(y)
 
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I am still not sure why would Roger even want to play clay at all. We must be watching different matches if anyone thinks Rog can do well on the dirt. I truly believe playing there would really expose how much he actually declined.

The why nots in short:
-little to no free points on serve
-a severely declined FH that can’t instantly end points
-the need to grind (under 5 shot rallies largely become 5-9, and 13+ increase enormously)
-way to vulnerable to lateral movement and even drop shots
-even less efficient S&V and net rushing
-stamina becomes a crucial factor
-he can’t half volley anything from the baseline as it brings very little advantage

Now I am not saying Fed can’t win a couple of matches at Madrid or even RG; he can. But there is no way he gets anything out of it except less confidence and more tear. I still feel he is going to skip it yet again.
 
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Meles said:
Many, many reasons:
1. His form is actually building right now and its starting to look like shades of 2017, but betterer. No tough matches at Miami and Isner final will not tax him. In 2017, Bendych and Kyrgios took him to three sets in back to back matches and he needed the time off. That's just not the case now.
2. Federer is playing Madrid (confirmed on entry list) and RG. Two weeks off and then Monte Carlo would be the perfect addition to his schedule to keep his form sharp without overdoing it (Madrid two weeks after MC). Skip Rome and he gets another two weeks off before RG. (Madrid/Rome back to back would be insane.)
3. Fed's new backhand might take extremely well on clay as he'll have plenty of time to really unload.
4. With Miami win Federer is 2100 points behind Nadal who has bad knee and defends MC, Barcelona, and Rome titles (2680 points with Madrid QF). If Federer can amass nearly 1000 points on clay (final and SF) he might pass Nadal for 2nd seed at RG.:eek: This gives him 50/50 chance of Nadal/Djoko SF at RG and of course he'd love to be waiting for a likely beleaguered Djoko in the final.:laughing:
5. Not playing Monte Carlo risks Thiem overtaking him for 4th seed at RG and then the chance of very hard draw at RG. (Thiem playing three masters on clay and Barcelona has good chance of winning one of them, more if Nadal's knee causes him to drop Madrid, Barcelona and/or Rome to rest for RG.)
6. Would add tremendously to his legacy and if his last year on clay, why not make a full go of it.
7. Federer has never won Monte Carlo and with Djoko reeling and Rafa heeling, time to strike.

I don't ask much and Fresherer looks clearly up to the task.:cool:
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Here is why Fed shouldn't play Monte Carlo:
1.Because his form is building he should slow down and not get too excited and risk being tired and injured.
2.I think even 2 masters is too much. Madrid / FO is all he needs, if we assume he wants to go for the win and not just play for fun, so we expect he goes deep - the more reason why not play too much.
3.I don't see this as a reason why he should play Monte Carlo, his backhand is great for all clay, why is it more suited for Monty Carlos?
4.No, he needs to hide his from on clay and play as little as possible, so Djokodal don't learn how his new clay game works.
5.Fed had a hard draw at AO17, I think Fed being rested and having a mental edge is more important for him at this stage than avoiding top guys. Also, if Fed adopts this mindset he lost in advance, what's the point anyway? He has to believe he can beat top guys back to back. Also weak draw means he won't be match ready for Djokovic and Nadal in the final. The reason Fed almost lost to Cilic in 2018 is soft semi and why he won 17 against Nadal. Because Wawrinka made him match ready. Lately Fed needs rest and being match ready more than he needs to avoid a few players.
6.Risking all that for Monte Carlo won't add his legacy much. He also has to think about the rest of the season and next year.
7.Federer also never won 2nd RG and 9th Wimby, that's why it's time to strike now and forget Monte Carlo.
 
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Jonas78 said:
Every tournament Afraiderer doesnt play is because he is afraid of Nadal:)
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True. Nadal lives with his mother and is afraid of the dark and lighting. Cowards are dangerous, you never know what they will do to you and backstab you from behind. In my real life I'm also afraid cowards the most. Real man would come at me right, I would see him and he would make it quick like Fed with precision. Rafa would come from behind, like he plays from behind and torture me with a knife slowly.

So, yeah, of course cowards are more dangerous and are to be afraid more, I totally agree with you.
 
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JackGates said:
True. Nadal lives with his mother and is afraid of the dark and lighting. Cowards are dangerous, you never know what they will do to you and backstab you from behind. In my real life I'm also afraid cowards the most. Real man would come at me right, I would see him and he would make it quick like Fed with precision. Rafa would come from behind, like he plays from behind and torture me with a knife slowly.

So, yeah, of course cowards are more dangerous and are to be afraid more, I totally agree with you.
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Are you saying Nadal carries a knife on court? :eek::)
 
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Jonas78 said:
Are you saying Nadal carries a knife on court? :eek::)
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Yes, metaphorically. He kills you from behind (the baseline, refusing to go like a man)and then twists it slowly with many low precision shots, so you bleed slowly and he is torturing you. That's why most people are afraid of him the most. Even when he could finish you early, he wants you to suffer, he doesn't give you a peaceful death, that's why most people love losing to Federer more, at least it's quick. Plus Rafa lets you stand up giving you false sense of security with Fed you don't have control.

Yeah, Rafa plays like a cowardly sociopath lol. He derives his most pleasure by seeing you suffer, Fed derives most of his pleasure by artistry.
 
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