NoleFam
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That's what Djokovic usually does. I'm sure you have noticed, well your favorite has.
This clip makes me feel sorry for Djokovic
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That's what Djokovic usually does. I'm sure you have noticed, well your favorite has.
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Deleted member 763691
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The crowd isn't disrespectful at all in that clip.
They are cheering their favorite
victorcruz
Hall of Fame
It's a lot of the British crowd. They are Roger Federer worshippers pretty much. It was very hard to watch at Wimbledon this year. I didn't want to see it end that way with Roger blowing it but I feel like those fans deserved it. It's whatever, these 3 guys are filthy rich and so successful, us normals should never really feel bad for them. 3 goats like I say all the time. We are lucky to witness their greatness.
beard
Legend
It will be Turin (Italy).
No one is expecting Novak to be loved more than Federer... Its impossible and it's ok... But those nut case audience in London and NY is beyond all standards. I guess Novak hurt them too much...
beard
Legend
It's not that we feel bad for them in that way, they will be fine, off course.... It's that bitter taste which every injustice leave in your mouth. Off course, there are many more important injustices in the world, but this is tennis forum, so I talk about tennis injustice...
It's ok to cheer your favorite, but in tennis we all know that you should be polite to opponent...
oldmanfan
Legend
Are we watching the same clip?
I watched the whole clip. Sure, the crowd was certainly pro-Fedr, but what I saw in the clip was just Fedr-fans cheering and hoping for a win from him; an underdog, an old champ taking on the dominant champ in recent years. If Fedr ever needed huge cheering, it's in his later years like the last few years. The crowd groaned when Fedr loses a point or missed a shot, but it's not like they were booing Djokr and trying to disrupt him and get him to miss his shots. These are fans of a player, who paid to watch their favorite win, and it so happens that it's Fedr.
Any problem cannot be seen?
Or are we supposed to believe that had Djokr won, Djokr-fans would not happily cheer as Fedr fans cheered?
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
That's what Djokovic usually does. I'm sure you have noticed, well your favorite has.
Lol yes, he's GOATY
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
The crowd isn't disrespectful at all in that clip.
They are cheering their favorite
I think also it's the fact no one expected Fed to play that well, and also anyone into tennis knew that match decided if King Rafa would be #1 or not, so it was both Fed AND Rafa fans wanting Djokovic to lose more than usual
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Your post is doing disservice to the truth and doesn't reflect the reality. The fans were very respectful towards Djokovic's play, were cheering his good play and I haven't heard any negative reactions towards him at all.
What exactly was "disrespectful"?
ForehandRF
Legend
At the same time, crowds seem to be good every time Fed plays Nadal.For some reason, they were always more fair in this matchup compared to Fedovic and it's not like Rafa didn't hurt Fed.
Fedforever
Hall of Fame
Ironically, given that Djoko's sporting behaviour when he loses is such a nice quality in him, I think it actually works against him in some ways. The crowd don't feel his pain.
brian anderson
Semi-Pro
hard to feel sorry for a guy who’s parents wear shirts with his giant head on them while they give interviews stating that they hope his opponents get injured. chickens coming home to roost
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Again with the generalizing...
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Robert Baratheon
Guest
Cheering on Djoker's double faults.
Not shutting the fück up when the point started.
And doing those two things repeatedly.
Edit: even cheering on missed first serves.
Cheering on UEs I can get though I won't ever do that unless it was a big rally or an important point.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
When the Swiss are able to attend in large numbers, they make enough noise to make it look like everyone in the stands is cheering for Roger. There aren't many of them in Dubai or Australia that's why the crowd reaction is not so pro-Fedr. When I sat near them at the O2, they were over the top - waving banners, posters, flags, standing up, shouting, cheering every breath Roger took etc. I'm sure they were the ones booing Rafa when he took an MTO because he had back pain in the AO 2014 final against Stan. Stan wasn't helping either by DISGRACEFULLY demanding information from the umpire the reasons for Rafa's MTO. I don't remember any player doing that.
I'm astonished at the commentators endorsing this behaviour by Fedfans by going on and on about his popularity. It's a disgrace.
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Robert Baratheon
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The generalising is pretty accurate in a sense though.
Thing is that inherently Fraud fans are no different than the fans of other players yet because of the situation a lot of Fraud fans find themselves in they have created a world around them where Roger has to be the GOAT even when he gets passed or when Novak or Rafa become much more better.
You can see the excuses already out in the air. Popularity, pretty game, style of play and a dozen moar stupid ones.
What was that, pass Roger by 6 slems lol?
When it comes to hating other players there is no difference between say a Nadal_Django or a tennis_pro. All big3 fans are the same in their hate for one or both of the big3 members other than their favourite but this thing about "Federer will always be the GOAT" is something that seperates them from the Djokodal fans right now.
I am pretty sure had Nadal being on the scene before Roger and being the slem leader for 10 years Nadal fans would be just like Fraud fans are right now.
As a big time Fraudovic devotee I can see that the Djoko trolls are much more tolerable than the Fraud trolls because of the Fraud fan GOAT stuff.
And I think a good lot of Fraud fans will agree with me. The ones who are objective anyway.
Edit: but yeah the generalizing fulfills no purpose other than creating more animosity, that much I agree with. But sometimes the frustration becomes too much from reading ttw and the truth comes on my tongue.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
The Fed fans are just more in sheer number. I don't buy that they are more obnoxious than the Djokodal fans.
PeoplesChamp
Legend
Honestly, if we compare tennis to other sports like especially football (soccer), the audience is always perfectly fair.
It’s normal to cheer for one player more than for another one, and in tennis I often see the opponent getting respect anyway.
Cheering for unforced errors is just cheering for the "own" player to get an important point, nothing more than that. Again, if this would be football, the audience would whistle when the opponent tosses the ball for a serve or even in a rallye when the ball is on his side.
To the video here, it’s just a private video seemingly recorded by Federer fans. You only hear their reactions clearly, not the behaviour of a general crowd. What do you expect then?
And for Djokovic, he doesn’t make it easy to like him to say the least. Because he doesn’t understand crowds as well. We all know his constant and cringeworthy discussing/gesturing with them and I remember a situation at the Australian Open when he couldn’t understand in any way that the crowd massively cheered for his inferior opponent to win a set and to give them more tennis to watch.
It’s normal to cheer for one player more than for another one, and in tennis I often see the opponent getting respect anyway.
Cheering for unforced errors is just cheering for the "own" player to get an important point, nothing more than that. Again, if this would be football, the audience would whistle when the opponent tosses the ball for a serve or even in a rallye when the ball is on his side.
To the video here, it’s just a private video seemingly recorded by Federer fans. You only hear their reactions clearly, not the behaviour of a general crowd. What do you expect then?
And for Djokovic, he doesn’t make it easy to like him to say the least. Because he doesn’t understand crowds as well. We all know his constant and cringeworthy discussing/gesturing with them and I remember a situation at the Australian Open when he couldn’t understand in any way that the crowd massively cheered for his inferior opponent to win a set and to give them more tennis to watch.
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Robert Baratheon
Guest
Fair enough. It's not like I have some Lew stats to prove my point anyway lol.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Gotta get those stats then bada bing bada boom.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
The one thing that is truly uncalled for is cheering for double faults. The players themselves know better than to do that.
Enceladus
Legend
It was a reaction to the shameful crowd. In my view understandable. Fed and Nadal have never been confronted with a shameful crowd to such an extent.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
Talk Tennis Guru
They are actually very respectful angels when you ask for their opinion. And they will only get better.
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ForehandRF
Legend
Federer and Djokovic BFFThey are actually very respectfup angels when you ask for their opinion. And they will only get better.
Sport
G.O.A.T.
Rome 2019 final. The public was massively pro-Djokovic against Nadal.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
There was cheering after the point finished with UE on both sides. The spectators were just generally happy to see points and were cheering after everything. You need to put down your hater's cap.
Amor y paz!
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Enceladus
Legend
Many people in the West have prejudices about people from Eastern Europe. If Djoker were American or French, he would be perceived more positively and would not have to deal with such a repulsive crowd.
Djoker is not the only ATG tennis player whose popularity is damaged due to fans' prejudices resulting of his origin on the East. Lendl, Navratilova and Seles had to deal with it too.
Djoker is not the only ATG tennis player whose popularity is damaged due to fans' prejudices resulting of his origin on the East. Lendl, Navratilova and Seles had to deal with it too.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Oh, dear, if it isn't because the crowd supports Federer, it is because of the evil West.
Pray tell, why is Serbia pressing to enter the EU? Maybe you will be better off going with Russia and China. I hear they already are having special interest towards you. It will be so easy and you will not have to deal with that BS.
Sport
G.O.A.T.
Djokovic is NOT less loved for being Serbian. He just appeared later in scene, long after Federer and Nadal were tennis superstars. If Djokovic had appeared first, let's say in 2004, I am sure he would have many more suporters.
Enceladus
Legend
I don't think the tennis world is black and white, that only two players can be very popular. E.g. McEnroe has pushed through a few years later than Connors & Borg, yet he gained a lot of fans, American nationality undoubtedly helped him gain popularity. If Djoker were an American, he would managed be able to suppress the disadvantage of later entering the scene and he should have many more fans.
Enceladus
Legend
Italians have a more warm attitude to Novak than the British or Americans. They supported Djoker a lot in the finals because they wanted a longer match.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
They could play in Serbia and Federer would still get significantly more cheers than Novak
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
The problem with Roman Reigns is that he was planted in the top spot. He didn't win the fans over the way Austin, Hogan, Rock, etc all did.
The absolute worst fans / trolls on this forum are Fed haters. Spencer bore, nadal django etc.
Tennis pro is at least humourous. Same as Deon guy with the “clay isn’t real tennis” stuff.
The above guys just post utter **** and aren’t worth rising to.
Which made Novak's USO semi final comebacks and this year's Wimbledon final so enjoyable for me.
clout
Hall of Fame
How come Fed fans only do this against Novak though? Fedal matches usually have quality crowd support for both players regardless where they play, which is actually ironic in retrospect since Nadal is technically a “bigger threat” to Fed historically right now and has been a for a much longer time.
Shouldn’t they be even more anti-Rafa than they are anti-Nole
Shouldn’t they be even more anti-Rafa than they are anti-Nole
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I wanted Djokovic to win, for obvious reasons - keeping Federer on 20 so Rafa can overtake Federer as soon as possible
Plus I was sure Rafa would win the US Open anyway, so I knew Rafa would have a shot at year-end-#1 regardless of Wimbledon.
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
The American crowd is even worse towards Novak.
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
I agree.
After that USO final, which is the worst crowd I have ever seen in my life, Fed said the crowd was amazing. Made me start to dislike Federer.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
I've attended 4 matches live between Rafa and Fed in America. The fans were pro-Fed (70%-30%) but Rafa had plenty of fans still and no fan was disrespectful of Rafa at all. No clapping double faults and plenty of applause. Many Fed fans, I presume, dislike Djokovic since the parents said in 2011 he was the far greater and better player. Considering he had a handful of slams then, those comments were "ill advised." And Srdjan asked in 2014, "why is Federer even still playing?" Then Roger went on to win three more slams., LOL.
To Novak's credit, his parents have not been to a lot of matches since that time.
And again, you assume that all Fed fans are going to have mental breakdowns if Rafa passes 20 majors. If it happens, all credit to him, Fed should have won the heartbreaking matches he's lost in slams over the years, that's on him. Not Rafa.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Fedforever
Hall of Fame
The problem doesn't lie predominantly with any set of fans, the problem is that the GOAT debate has become something that people try to argue as if it can be determined objectively when it can't. They then attempt to get other fans to recognise that "fact" when they won't and shouldn't.
It is actually perfectly OK for Fed fans to say he is the GOAT because his play style is pretty or he's very popular. Just as it should be OK for a Nadal fan to say Nad is GOAT because he's the greatest fighter ever or Djoko fans because he had the highest peak or whatever.
It shouldn't be an issue of endless charts and rancour.
I'm pretty sure each of the Big 3 privately regards themselves as the Greatest and always will. And so they should. Fans should feel free to do the same.
I Am Finnish
Bionic Poster
The british & murican (especially in NY) crowds are vile to Joe Ko Vich
Outside of serbia he is very loved especially in italy & china, also Australia & France
Outside of serbia he is very loved especially in italy & china, also Australia & France
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