Djokovic has won ONE of the last FIVE US Opens, and is having trouble winning the AO (down 2-sets-to-1 in Final) and Wimbledon (Federer match points)

Deleted member 770948 · Oct 5, 2020

And when you think of what a player's last ever slam title will look like, it would logically be a very close victory at their favorite venue vs. a slamless opponent - exactly what happened to Djokovic this year at the AO.
Is Djokovic declining rapidly, or is Federer improving at Wimbledon, and Thiem about to rule Australia?

Backspin1183 · Oct 5, 2020

He is playing the best tennis of his career right now. He has taken his level to another height, a level far beyond what Federer and Nadal can reach.

TheNachoMan · Oct 5, 2020

NADALalot said:
or is Federer improving at Wimbledon

lol

WildRevolver · Oct 5, 2020

He is looking a lot like 2011 Novak, as f-ing crazy as that is to think about.

Sephiroth · Oct 5, 2020

He's won 5 of the last 8 slams I'm sure he's eating very well

TripleATeam · Oct 5, 2020

Making this thread now because you know if he wins RG you can't continue to throw around this "Novak is on his last legs" narrative?

Beckerserve · Oct 5, 2020

Backspin1183 said:
He is playing the best tennis is his career right now. He has taken his level to another height, a level far beyond what Federer and Nadal can reach.

At 39 and 34 Nadal and Federer are no match. It is a shame Djokovic left it so long of course. But he is playing perfect tennis. Or at least being allowed to.

dr325i · Oct 5, 2020

NADALalot said:
And when you think of what a player's last ever slam title will look like, it would logically be a very close victory at their favorite venue vs. a slamless opponent - exactly what happened to Djokovic this year at the AO.
Is Djokovic declining rapidly, or is Federer improving at Wimbledon, and Thiem about to rule Australia?

You got it. Novak is finished
Challengers next!!!

Rorano_Fedalovic · Oct 5, 2020

Backspin1183 said:
He is playing the best tennis is his career right now. He has taken his level to another height, a level far beyond what Federer and Nadal can reach.

yeah beating a bunch of mugs on his way to final confirmed goat performance

let's not draw conclusions this early shall we? he seems in good shape, so what you're saying might come true in the final, until then it's just an ATG destroying mugs, so business as usual for the last 20 years or so.

Deleted member 770948 · Oct 5, 2020

Oh and Nadal beat Djokovic 60 46 61 at Rome last year, and that is the first bagel ever recorded in a match between Nadal and Djokovic.
It is also the most lopsided match with a deciding set.
The gap is widening between Nadal and Djokovic on clay, just as the gap is shrinking between Djokovic and Federer on grass, and obviously the gap is shrinking between Djokovic and Thiem on hardcourt (and Thiem is already superior to Djokovic on clay).

TMF · Oct 5, 2020

Backspin1183 said:
He is playing the best tennis is his career right now. He has taken his level to another height, a level far beyond what Federer and Nadal can reach.

Debatable when compare to Nadal, but Federer 2004-2007 still holds the benchmark in high level.

Deleted member 770948 · Oct 5, 2020

IF Djokovic is playing his best tennis since 2011, then why is Thiem almost completely equal to him in the AO Final?
And why did Monfils have match points to beat Djokovic in straight sets at Dubai?
And why did RBA push Djokovic to a 3rd set tiebreaker and why did Raonic breadstick Djokovic at Cincy?

tudwell · Oct 5, 2020

Hmm. Since the start of Wimbledon 2018, he's 50-3 at slams. And that's including the PCB match.

Clearly he's on his last legs.

Backspin1183 · Oct 5, 2020

TMF said:
Debatable when compare to Nadal, but Federer 2004-2007 still holds the benchmark in high level.

Not debatable really. He's shown his level to beyond anything Nadal has shown on any surface. Federer played the best tennis of his career and still lost to Djokovic playing his A- game.

Sephiroth · Oct 5, 2020

Backspin1183 said:
He's shown his level to beyond anything Nadal has shown on any surface

wut

daddy · Oct 5, 2020

NADALalot said:
And when you think of what a player's last ever slam title will look like, it would logically be a very close victory at their favorite venue vs. a slamless opponent - exactly what happened to Djokovic this year at the AO.
Is Djokovic declining rapidly, or is Federer improving at Wimbledon, and Thiem about to rule Australia?

Talk about bending the stats and truth. You should be a political spin doctor.

Backspin1183 · Oct 5, 2020

Sephiroth said:
wut

I'm a Nadal fan and even I can see that Novak's level this tournament is far beyond what Nadal in his prime could reach. He is like Itachi to Nadal's Madara. All fans know Itachi beats Madara.

Deleted member 770948 · Oct 5, 2020

tudwell said:
Hmm. Since the start of Wimbledon 2018, he's 50-3 at slams. And that's including the PCB match.

Clearly he's on his last legs.

Well he was definitely on his last legs in the 2019 Wimbledon Final, and he was on his last legs (and appeared so physically) in this year's AO Final (and Thiem didn't even need his best tennis to hurt Djokovic).

Deleted member 770948 · Oct 5, 2020

Backspin1183 said:
Not debatable really. He's shown his level to beyond anything Nadal has shown on any surface. Federer played the best tennis of his career and still lost to Djokovic playing his A- game.

Except Djokovic has a losing record vs. Nadal at the French Open and US Open.
When you are supposed to be an all-time great on hardcourt, and you don't even have as many US Opens as Nadal (a guy who plays the US Open as a hobby after racking up 12 French Opens).....something is lacking.
In fact Nadal didn't even play the US Open in 2012, 2014 and 2020, and still has won more US Opens than Djokovic.

TMF · Oct 5, 2020

Backspin1183 said:
Not debatable really. He's shown his level to beyond anything Nadal has shown on any surface. Federer played the best tennis of his career and still lost to Djokovic playing his A- game.

You will have to address this to Nadal fans and I know they will beg to differ.

Federer 2004-2007 was at the highest level ever, and no, Nole wasn't beating his A game. His winning streaks and many record settings during his run in those years were overwhelmingly impressive that no player has ever reach.

Backspin1183 · Oct 5, 2020

NADALalot said:
Except Djokovic has a losing record vs. Nadal at the French Open and US Open.
When you are supposed to be an all-time great on hardcourt, and you don't even have as many US Opens as Nadal (a guy who plays the US Open as a hobby after racking up 12 French Opens).....something is lacking.

Nadal has never played Djokovic is this form before. 2008 Nadal could give him some fight and probably take him to 4-5 sets. 2020 Nadal may not even take a set.

Daniel Andrade · Oct 5, 2020

Djokovic is playing great wth

bait

Tennis_Freak99 · Oct 5, 2020

TROLLalot

Deleted member 770948 · Oct 5, 2020

Facts are facts, losers....

GabeT · Oct 5, 2020

bot detected...

Sephiroth · Oct 5, 2020

Backspin1183 said:
I'm a Nadal fan and even I can see that Novak's level this tournament is far beyond what Nadal in his prime could reach. He is like Itachi to Nadal's Madara. All fans know Itachi beats Madara.

wut

daddy · Oct 5, 2020

NADALalot said:
Facts are facts, losers....

Don't worry, you will get your facts straightened out in a couple of years. Use what's left of your ( Nadal's ) time well.

Backspin1183 · Oct 5, 2020

TMF said:
You will have to address this to Nadal fans and I know they will beg to differ.

Federer 2004-2007 was at the highest level ever, and no, Nole wasn't beating his A game. His winning streaks and many record settings during his run during those years were overwhelmingly impressive that no player has ever reach.

Sorry but I feel like you're just in denial. No doubt other Nadal fans will also be in denial. That's what I don't like about fans of Federer or Nadal. Novak right now is playing beyond what 2006 Federer in a weaker competition could. Nadal even in his best clay seasons did not look as unbeatable as Novak is looking right now.

Backspin1183 · Oct 5, 2020

Sephiroth said:
wut

Itachi GOAT. Believe it. Accept it.

Deleted member 770948 · Oct 5, 2020

daddy said:
Don't worry, you will get your facts straightened out in a couple of years. Use what's left of your ( Nadal's ) time well.

Yep its always a about the future, because Djokovic never catches Nadal/Federer in the present.....still lagging behind on 17.
10 years of prime Djokovic and he's still 3rd in the race.

daddy · Oct 5, 2020

NADALalot said:
Yep its always a about the future, because Djokovic never catches Nadal/Federer in the present.....still lagging behind on 17.
10 years of prime Djokovic and he's still 3rd in the race.

As I said, we remember the days of 15 - 9 - 1 as we remember the days of 20 - 17 - 14. It's 20 - 19 - 17 which is the closest it's ever been and I firmly believe he'd bag the US and the Wimby this year bar the Covid-19 but it is what it is, he's going to do it the hard way. Once again. The best way to prove a point to naysayers like yourself.

Deleted member 770948 · Oct 5, 2020

daddy said:
As I said, we remember the days of 15 - 9 - 1 as we remember the days of 20 - 17 - 14. It's 20 - 19 - 17 which is the closest it's ever been and I firmly believe he'd bag the US and the Wimby this year bar the Covid-19 but it is what it is, he's going to do it the hard way. Once again. The best way to prove a point to naysayers like yourself.

Djokovic still down there on 4 US Opens too, while Nadal has 5 and is improving with age (won 2 of the last 3 he's played, and retired from SF in 2018).
Nadal is the guy with all the injuries doing it the hard way, and they're still level on FIVE year-end-#1s.
Djokovic has had it extremely easy, health-wise.

daddy · Oct 5, 2020

NADALalot said:
Djokovic still down there on 4 US Opens too.
Nadal is the guy with all the injuries doing it the hard way, and they're still level on FIVE year-end-#1s.
Djokovic has had it extremely easy, health-wise.

Blah blah. Nadal should bag at least one WTF and he's lost his lead on the Masters. Weeks @ #1 is a long gone idea for Rafa, Roger had more weeks at #1 in one stint then Rafa had for the duration of his professional career. Not being injured is part of the art of sport as well, a quality.

Deleted member 770948 · Oct 5, 2020

GoldenMasters said:
Is this OP re$ard3d or what

All the facts favor me.
In fact even the questions favor me, since nobody can answer why Federer is on the brink of winning Wimbledon, and why Thiem is Djokovic's equal at the AO....

Deleted member 770948 · Oct 5, 2020

daddy said:
Blah blah. Nadal should bag at least one WTF and he's lost his lead on the Masters. Weeks @ #1 is a long gone idea for Rafa, Roger had more weeks at #1 in one stint then Rafa had for the duration of his professional career. Not being injured is part of the art of sport as well, a quality.

Nobody gives a crap about masters titles.
Nadal had the masters record for several years and nobody cared, because the public only cares about 20 slam titles.
Folks don't even care about head-to-heads, or Nadal would have been above Federer for the last 15 years....

jm1980 · Oct 5, 2020

NADALalot said:
And when you think of what a player's last ever slam title will look like, it would logically be a very close victory at their favorite venue vs. a slamless opponent - exactly what happened to Djokovic this year at the AO.
Is Djokovic declining rapidly, or is Federer improving at Wimbledon, and Thiem about to rule Australia?

I think it's better to be down 1-2 to Thiem but still win, than be down 1-3 to Thiem and lose.

TripleATeam · Oct 5, 2020

NADALalot said:
All the facts favor me.
In fact even the questions favor me, since nobody can answer why Federer is on the brink of winning Wimbledon, and why Thiem is Djokovic's equal at the AO....

Remind me, does Thiem have 7 AOs or is it 8?

Oh wait no, Thiem's the 27 year old that reached only 1 AO final! Even if he won the AO every year until he turned Djokovic's age, he'd still be behind him.

daddy · Oct 5, 2020

NADALalot said:
Nobody gives a crap about masters titles.
Nadal had the masters record for several years and nobody cared, because the public only cares about 20 slam titles.
Folks don't even care about head-to-heads, or Nadal would have been above Federer for the last 15 years....

As I said - use your time wisely. There will come a day when none of the above stated statistics will be in anyone's favor bar Novak's. Once he's on 20+ with most weeks at #1 most YE at #1 most Masters titles and combined big titles and best H2H with the other ATG's ( most of which he already has ), there will be no denying it so you are completely right in fighting this losing battle until it's forever lost.

Deleted member 770948 · Oct 5, 2020

jm1980 said:
I think it's better to be down 1-2 to Thiem but still win, than be down 1-3 to Thiem and lose.

Meanwhile Nadal is 12-1 in sets played vs. Thiem at Roland Garros.
That is why its very curious when Djokovic loses 2 sets to Thiem in the AO Final.

daddy said:
As I said - use your time wisely. There will come a day when none of the above stated statistics will be in anyone's favor bar Novak's. Once he's on 20+ with most weeks at #1 most YE at #1 most Masters titles and combined big titles and best H2H with the other ATG's ( most of which he already has ), there will be no denying it so you are completely right in fighting this losing battle until it's forever lost.

Looks like Djokovic is fighting a losing battle vs. Thiem at the AO, while Nadal has a HUGE cushion over Thiem at Roland Garros.
And Thiem is better on clay than on hardcourt....

TMF · Oct 5, 2020

Backspin1183 said:
Sorry but I feel like you're just in denial. No doubt other Nadal fans will also be in denial. That's what I don't like about fans of Federer or Nadal. Novak right now is playing beyond what 2006 Federer in a weaker competition could. Nadal even in his best clay seasons did not look as unbeatable as Novak is looking right now.

Nope. I disagree and there's fact to backup Federer's has set the benchmark in 2004-2007. He made 10 straight slam finals, 18/19 slam finals, 237 consecutive weeks at #1, 11 slam titles in 4 years, the list goes on.....

It's you who's in denial, and when facts/stats don't goes your way, insert "weak era".

Backspin1183 said:
Novak right now is playing beyond what 2006 Federer in a weaker competition could. Nadal even in his best clay seasons did not look as unbeatable as Novak is looking right now.

Laughable.

jm1980 · Oct 5, 2020

NADALalot said:
Meanwhile Nadal is 12-1 in sets played vs. Thiem at Roland Garros.
That is why its very curious when Djokovic loses 2 sets to Thiem in the AO Final.

Looks like Djokovic is fighting a losing battle vs. Thiem at the AO, while Nadal has a HUGE cushion over Thiem at Roland Garros.

LOL, you're dissing two guys (Thiem and Fed) who outplayed and eliminated your idol in the very same tournament where they went on to lose to Djokovic

Who cares what Nadal's record against Thiem at the FO is?

Deleted member 770948 · Oct 5, 2020

jm1980 said:
LOL, you're dissing Djokovic for beating two guys (Thiem and Fed) who outplayed and eliminated your idol in the very same tournament where they went on to lose to Djokovic

Who cares what Nadal's record against Thiem at the FO is?

Federer and Thiem are supposed to outplay Nadal at Wimbledon (where Nadal last won in 2010) and Australia (where Nadal last won in 2009).
Whereas Djokovic NEEDS to dominate Wimbledon and the AO, because he doesn't win Roland Garros (just once, the year Nadal withdraw with a wrist injury), and he rarely wins the US Open in recent years (1 of the last 5 years)....

jm1980 · Oct 5, 2020

NADALalot said:
Federer and Thiem are supposed to outplay Nadal at Wimbledon (where Nadal last won in 2010) and Australia (where Nadal last won in 2009).
Whereas Djokovic NEEDS to dominate Wimbledon and the AO, because he doesn't win Roland Garros, and he rarely wins the US Open....

LMAO, thanks for reminding us of how long it has been since Nadal won 2 out of the 4 Slams

Deleted member 770948 · Oct 5, 2020

jm1980 said:
LMAO, thanks for reminding us of how long it has been since Nadal won 2 out of the 4 Slams

Meanwhile Nadal is improving his win-rate with age at the US Open, and continues to rule RG easily.

TheAssassin · Oct 5, 2020

Threads like these always "mysteriously" disappear when they get inevitably bumped after a Djokovic win. Expecting the same now.

Yugram · Oct 5, 2020

The levels of jinxing are out of any proportion on TTW as we head into the 2nd week of RG.

Backspin1183 said:
I'm a Nadal fan and even I can see that Novak's level this tournament is far beyond what Nadal in his prime could reach. He is like Itachi to Nadal's Madara. All fans know Itachi beats Madara.

TennisProExpert · Oct 5, 2020

He’s such a flukey player. Should’ve lost to Federer and Thiem last 2 slams. Now been gifted a cakewalk at his worst slam, with conditions suiting his human backboard game perfectly.

jm1980 · Oct 5, 2020

NADALalot said:
Meanwhile Nadal is improving his win-rate with age at the US Open

Thanks to a steady diet of Anderson finals and Berrettini semis. Almost lost to Slamless Medvedev anyway

PilotPete · Oct 5, 2020

TMF said:
Nope. I disagree and there's fact to backup Federer's has set the benchmark in 2004-2007. He made 10 straight slam finals, 18/19 slam finals, 237 consecutive weeks at #1, 11 slam titles in 4 years, the list goes on.....

It's you who's in denial, and when facts/stats don't goes your way, insert "weak era".

Laughable.

He's kidding. The guy is a Nadal fanboy.

ibbi · Oct 5, 2020

Obviously he is not the player that he was, and anyone that tries to suggest otherwise is a fool, but does it really matter when he is still the best player in the world?

Djokovic has won ONE of the last FIVE US Opens, and is having trouble winning the AO (down 2-sets-to-1 in Final) and Wimbledon (Federer match points)

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