Tennis Warehouse-Mid Atlantic Chapter

auzzieizm

Semi-Pro
Auzzie,

have you tried the Ntour 105 or 95. The flex is 65 and 64 respectively. The updated version is the Ktour .. which you can find on TW.

Just curious... *:)*

Sup, maybe you are missing the point... I like more flexy frames. If they were 55 and 54 flex respectively, I might consider. I have tried the Ktour- no bueno.
 

Sup2Dresq

Hall of Fame
Sup, maybe you are missing the point... I like more flexy frames. If they were 55 and 54 flex respectively, I might consider. I have tried the Ktour- no bueno.

55! Thats not a racquet.. that's as flexy as a ball launcher for dogs...

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Topaz

Legend
Ok boys...humor me...what is the advantage/disadvantage to having a 'flexy' racquet.

No, I'm not going to switch mine, just curious, as I don't really 'get' what that means.
 

sapient007

Semi-Pro
Just use the Bat light. Oh, sorry that’s a different superhero. So then you will need to talk to Lois Lane; he is always in touch with her.

considering that topaz is the only active female member of this chapter.. i guess that defaults all the lois lane duties to her
 

TheJRK

Rookie
Ok boys...humor me...what is the advantage/disadvantage to having a 'flexy' racquet.

No, I'm not going to switch mine, just curious, as I don't really 'get' what that means.

People who play with a flexy racket are better tennis players.

Vitaly - I would like to see you hit with this Prestige to confirm forehand/backhand goodness, spinny 2nd serves, and 1st serve bombs. I'm mailing back the Fischers tomorrow, last chance to demo...
 
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Vitaly Evchenkov

Guest
no more demos and if strings break, i just go home in the future!

*cannot afford my habit*
 

Sup2Dresq

Hall of Fame
Ok boys...humor me...what is the advantage/disadvantage to having a 'flexy' racquet.

No, I'm not going to switch mine, just curious, as I don't really 'get' what that means.

People who play with a flexy racket are better tennis players.

Vitaly - I would like to see you hit with this Prestige to confirm forehand/backhand goodness, spinny 2nd serves, and 1st serve bombs. I'm mailing back the Fischers tomorrow, last chance to demo...

Flex is defined as the racquet’s resistance to bending or deforming upon impact with the ball. A stiffer racquet bends less.

Most professional pros .. aka really good tennis players.. play with a stiff frame. Not a flexy frame.
 

Sup2Dresq

Hall of Fame
I live in Herndon. So I am close indeed. How do I contact you?

You can email me at Sup2dresq@aim.com

I'll be around Reston today playing French Frankie. He's been asking for a rematch. I hope I hold up. Can you come around Newbridge tennis courts before 5:30?

Here is the address.

11718 Golf Course Sq.

Otherwise, send me an email and we will figure it out.

Thanks
Sup
 

Sup2Dresq

Hall of Fame
Just use the Bat light. Oh, sorry that’s a different superhero. So then you will need to talk to Lois Lane; he is always in touch with her.

considering that topaz is the only active female member of this chapter.. i guess that defaults all the lois lane duties to her

Lois is no amazon with a lasso. You're thinking Diana Prince.

P.S. Im sorry, but any mention of wonder woman.. and I blame Family Guy for putting the image of Peter turning into Wonder Woman (Family Guys: Two Dads).

Classic tv...
 

hollywood9826

Hall of Fame
Sapient you cant say r@pe dude even if that r@pe is in the middle of the word skyscr@per

P.S. Im sorry, but any mention of wonder woman.. and I blame Family Guy for putting the image of Peter turning into Wonder Woman (Family Guys: Two Dads).

I dont remember that one. I remebr where peter and that chic with the wonder twin powers activate. the braod turns into a bird and flies away then the following pursues.

Peter

"In the shap of Jaynas tampon"

peter turns into a tampon and jumps into her purse

"and now to play the waiting game"
 

Bad Dog

Semi-Pro
Flexible thinking

People who play with a flexy racket are better tennis players.

Most professional pros .. aka really good tennis players.. play with a stiff frame. Not a flexy frame.

Sup and JRK are both right. So let’s admit that even most professional pros would play better if they played with more flexible frames – which is what so many of the top pros do anyway – as they are paid millions to play with paint jobs of stiffer frames with less feel and less control. :) Also keep in mind that Sup plays with a K-90 and a Blade, which play “relatively” flexibly by today’s standards.


I guess since better players supply most of their own power, and therefore, does not need a powerful (stiff) racquet. I support that.

I support that as well. :) Also consider that having pros play with paint jobs of stiffer racquets may possibly be a marketing gimmick for mass-market consumers who don’t generate a serious amount of their own power and thus get an easier source of power from stiffness.
 

NiteFly

Rookie
Hmm... I have to support the theory of Flexy racquets for better players. I am not a better tennis player... I play with a Pure Drive (very stiff).
Although, I did put the kevlar at low tension in it and I am starting to like that. It feels very soft to me with that setup. I am going to cut out the cyberflash I have in the other one and try a mid tension synth gut, cyberblue hybrid.

In other news, I think I killed too many wookies in that new Force Unleased game. I injured my foot and ankle bad enough to keep me from playing the last 10 days and I still can't run or serve.
 

Sup2Dresq

Hall of Fame
Sup and JRK are both right. So let’s admit that even most professional pros would play better if they played with more flexible frames – which is what so many of the top pros do anyway – as they are paid millions to play with paint jobs of stiffer frames with less feel and less control. :) Also keep in mind that Sup plays with a K-90 and a Blade, which play “relatively” flexibly by today’s standards.




I support that as well. :) Also consider that having pros play with paint jobs of stiffer racquets may possibly be a marketing gimmick for mass-market consumers who don’t generate a serious amount of their own power and thus get an easier source of power from stiffness.

I may disagree 99.999999%.

The K90 and Blade i use are very stiff compared to today's standard. Both racquets are at 67!

"Easier source of power with stiffness"? Flex and Stiffness don't give you the majority of your power.. if anything its the weight that does plus, of course technique. Of the two: Flex and Stiff.. Flex would get more power, while Stiff would generate more control. Think of it in string terms. A string that cups .. aka flexs.. will generate a little more power than say a poly... aka stiff, which would give you more control. Pros dont need power, as much as they need control.

Mind boggling. We need a 101 class.

Everyone is smoking dope! *looks at sappy* .. or snorting something..
 

Sup2Dresq

Hall of Fame
I guess since better players supply most of their own power, and therefore, does not need a powerful (stiff) racquet. I support that.

Oh not you too F1!

Define what is flexy to what is stiff. Maybe thats the confusion. Tecnifibre, which is what you play.. ranges from 65-68. A stiff racquet.

Those in the 50's and perhaps low 60's is a flexy racquet.

p.s. Im about to jump on my soapbox about this.
 

Topaz

Legend
I may disagree 99.999999%.

The K90 and Blade i use are very stiff compared to today's standard. Both racquets are at 67!

"Easier source of power with stiffness"? Flex and Stiffness don't give you the majority of your power.. if anything its the weight that does plus, of course technique. Of the two: Flex and Stiff.. Flex would get more power, while Stiff would generate more control. Think of it in string terms. A string that cups .. aka flexs.. will generate a little more power than say a poly... aka stiff, which would give you more control. Pros dont need power, as much as they need control.

Mind boggling. We need a 101 class.

Everyone is smoking dope! *looks at sappy* .. or snorting something..

73. That's right, I said 73. *resisting very hard about making more comments about stiffness*

I'm not smoking anything! *hides glue and markers*
 

f1 tech

Semi-Pro
Oh not you too F1!

Define what is flexy to what is stiff. Maybe thats the confusion. Tecnifibre, which is what you play.. ranges from 65-68. A stiff racquet.

Those in the 50's and perhaps low 60's is a flexy racquet.

p.s. Im about to jump on my soapbox about this.

Maybe we all need to attend a TWMAC University class taught by you!
 

JRstriker12

Hall of Fame
I may disagree 99.999999%.

The K90 and Blade i use are very stiff compared to today's standard. Both racquets are at 67!

"Easier source of power with stiffness"? Flex and Stiffness don't give you the majority of your power.. if anything its the weight that does plus, of course technique. Of the two: Flex and Stiff.. Flex would get more power, while Stiff would generate more control. Think of it in string terms. A string that cups .. aka flexs.. will generate a little more power than say a poly... aka stiff, which would give you more control. Pros dont need power, as much as they need control.

Mind boggling. We need a 101 class.

Everyone is smoking dope! *looks at sappy* .. or snorting something..

Aren't "players frames" like the presitges, etc. more flexy? So the PDR isn't actually a rocket-launching, granny stick like they say on these boards? Wouldn't a stiffer racket return more of the energy to the ball, while a flexible racket would loose some of the energy?
 

Bad Dog

Semi-Pro
Aren't "players frames" like the presitges, etc. more flexy? So the PDR isn't actually a rocket-launching, granny stick like they say on these boards? Wouldn't a stiffer racket return more of the energy to the ball, while a flexible racket would loose some of the energy?

JRS – Your observations are excellent. My instinct is to agree with you because I have also spent some time trying to follow the discussions by the experts in the Racquets section. But what do most of those racquet experts know, compared to our Sup? It might be a good idea to move this discussion over there, so we can have ringside seats as our mighty Sup takes them all on. :) We’ll have to see if he’d care to do that.

Of course we should start betting in favor of Sup to win over there too …
 

Sup2Dresq

Hall of Fame
Aren't "players frames" like the presitges, etc. more flexy? So the PDR isn't actually a rocket-launching, granny stick like they say on these boards? Wouldn't a stiffer racket return more of the energy to the ball, while a flexible racket would loose some of the energy?

Wookie...

I repeat, that flex does not give you substantial power. Its technique and heft that will return dividends. Think immovable object. Then proceed on to flex, if it has flex wouldn't it bungy back the ball on its own. Requiring less energy. So your PDR may have a stiff factor but it does not have a heft factor.

I say power comes in this order: Technique, weight of racquet, then perhaps flex.

So lets repeat.. Flex is not the key. Technique, weight, then flex (stiff). Hence why the pros go with stiff . .. like the prestige at 63 stock gets leaded up by every good pro out there to make it heavier and in return stiffer.

p.s. Isnt there a technology by Head.. call crossbow. Flexes the racquet back and forward ... for what.. eureka! more power?

Just saying..
 

Sup2Dresq

Hall of Fame
JRS – Your observations are excellent. My instinct is to agree with you because I have also spent some time trying to follow the discussions by the experts in the Racquets section. But what do most of those racquet experts know, compared to our Sup? It might be a good idea to move this discussion over there, so we can have ringside seats as our mighty Sup takes them all on. :) We’ll have to see if he’d care to do that.

Of course we should start betting in favor of Sup to win over there too …

Bad Dog,

You play with a 12.6 oz racquet Wilson 6.0 95. I've played with your racquet and its a thing of beauty. Very low powered and has lost of control. Its stiff rating is at 71! and thats before the lead tape.

Then you have the volkl. Remember how i said it was a bit more powerful racquet. Well weighs close to the same as your wilson (stock) but it has a flex of 56. Coincidence!?
 

Sup2Dresq

Hall of Fame
73. That's right, I said 73. *resisting very hard about making more comments about stiffness*

I'm not smoking anything! *hides glue and markers*

Topaz Stiffler,

Your racquet gets power from being lightweight and not getting heavy balls hit against it. Hence why many top pros dont hit with it. If I were to play with your racquet I believe the same elbow problem would occur to me as the APDC. It need a bit more weight to get the ball moving at a higher (and better level). Unless I was playing Claire Forlani.. in which case a strong breeze would get her balls to return to her side of the court.

Now how about that #2 seed you played. A little more weight would of helped. But technique would of gotten the ball rolling first.

Again the holy trinity of power 1) technique 2) weight and 3) flex
 

Sup2Dresq

Hall of Fame
Okay lets get back to business.

Our favorite little asian *waits for joke drum roll* is returning to the area. Shcmad and the great white hype .. aka PurePrestige will be returning for a 3 day weekend. I know its short notice, but lets see if we can get some interest in hitting this weekend. Im sure PP's polar bear blood would resist sub 65 temps.

I, myself, will be watching happily from the comfort of a warm car. I'll make sure to take pictures.

Sup
 

ShcMad

Hall of Fame
Okay lets get back to business.

Our favorite little asian *waits for joke drum roll* is returning to the area. Shcmad and the great white hype .. aka PurePrestige will be returning for a 3 day weekend. I know its short notice, but lets see if we can get some interest in hitting this weekend. Im sure PP's polar bear blood would resist sub 65 temps.

I, myself, will be watching happily from the comfort of a warm car. I'll make sure to take pictures.

Sup

I thought that was TFM... since he's tiny.
 

Topaz

Legend
Topaz Stiffler,

Your racquet gets power from being lightweight and not getting heavy balls hit against it. Hence why many top pros dont hit with it. If I were to play with your racquet I believe the same elbow problem would occur to me as the APDC. It need a bit more weight to get the ball moving at a higher (and better level). Unless I was playing Claire Forlani.. in which case a strong breeze would get her balls to return to her side of the court.

Now how about that #2 seed you played. A little more weight would of helped. But technique would of gotten the ball rolling first.

Again the holy trinity of power 1) technique 2) weight and 3) flex

I didn't disagree with you, just pointed out the flex of my racquet, which is also leaded up.

Tatiana Golovin, while out since she's had surgery to remove a cyst on her hip, is not exactly a weekend warrior.
 

ShcMad

Hall of Fame
The relationship between the stiffness of a racquet and the power level are not that direct and simple. Power is definitely not determined mainly by the stiffness of the frame. People tend to overrate the role that the stiffness plays on the power level of a frame. As PP said, the K-Factor 90 and the PureDrive have similar stiffness ratings, but their power levels differ substantially.

Topaz, while Tatiana Golovin is certainly not a weekend warrior, she's the exception to the rule in tennis nowadays when it comes to her racquet of choice. By the way, nobody except Tatiana's racquet providers know her exact specifications for her racquets. I bet you that her racquet specs differ substantially from over-the-counter stock frames sold to the public.
 
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Topaz

Legend
Topaz, while Tatiana Golovin is certainly not a weekend warrior, she's the exception to the rule in tennis nowadays when it comes to her racquet of choice. By the way, nobody except Tatiana's racquet providers know her exact specifications for her racquets. I bet you that her racquet specs differ substantially from over-the-counter stock frames sold to the public.


Same could be said for every pro.

Again, I'm not the one arguing with Sup. I just stated the flex of racquet, which does happen to be used by a top pro.
 

ShcMad

Hall of Fame
Same could be said for every pro.

Again, I'm not the one arguing with Sup. I just stated the flex of racquet, which does happen to be used by a top pro.

I said that because it seemed like you implied in your previous post that Golovin used the same exact racquet as yours.

Even though they may have the same head size and etc, if the specs are different, then it's a totally different beast.
 
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Vitaly Evchenkov

Guest
JRS, it is nice when you lob a softball, and somebody bashes it out of the park!

bravo for the perfect response!
 

auzzieizm

Semi-Pro
Wow, I love the debate/squabbling going on about my favorite topic- flex!

daily leg extensions, plus returning to the Head gripshape = 5.0
1st serves = bombs that make you cry like santoro v roddick
2nd serve = always IN and with unbelievable spin
forehands = just fuhgettaboutit
backhands = 2fast2furious

i will probably be sponsored by Head and Wakefield HS soon!
skyline will be begging me to run clinics there soon!
this racquet will be the end to all my frustration!

Hollywood, dig this post up in 6 months so we can all have a good laugh!

It's not going to take 6 months. I know a support group called TWMAC that can help you with your denial. OH and btw, I got demoes coming!


no more demos and if strings break, i just go home in the future!

*cannot afford my habit*

denial again.

Flex is defined as the racquet’s resistance to bending or deforming upon impact with the ball. A stiffer racquet bends less.

Most professional pros .. aka really good tennis players.. play with a stiff frame. Not a flexy frame.

This is an overgeneralization. Pros do not uniformly choose any specs. But one thing that I found interesting from the article link below is that it seems alot of pros have frames that are more flexy than stock models in stores (in addition to weight, balance, etc.- but we are talking about flex).

http://www.hdtennis.com/grs/pro_racquet_specs.html

p.s. you should ask your boy, Sergi Bruguera, how flexy his racquet was :)

I may disagree 99.999999%.

The K90 and Blade i use are very stiff compared to today's standard. Both racquets are at 67!

"Easier source of power with stiffness"? Flex and Stiffness don't give you the majority of your power.. if anything its the weight that does plus, of course technique. Of the two: Flex and Stiff.. Flex would get more power, while Stiff would generate more control. Think of it in string terms. A string that cups .. aka flexs.. will generate a little more power than say a poly... aka stiff, which would give you more control. Pros dont need power, as much as they need control.

Fed strings his frames around 52 lbs. last time I heard. I'd say that is a low string tension, but he is not low on control.

Bad Dog,

You play with a 12.6 oz racquet Wilson 6.0 95. I've played with your racquet and its a thing of beauty. Very low powered and has lost of control. Its stiff rating is at 71! and thats before the lead tape.

Then you have the volkl. Remember how i said it was a bit more powerful racquet. Well weighs close to the same as your wilson (stock) but it has a flex of 56. Coincidence!?

When it comes down to it, different frames suit different players. I myself would probably prefer playing with the 6.0 rather than the volkl. Flex does not imply control or power, it is more correlated to feel for me. I love the feel of my flexy Donnay, and I question why more companies don't put out a good selection of flexy frames. My conspiracy theory is: racquet companies don't want to make a racquet that really is the "holy grail" because they need me to keep buying new frames every 3 months. Why else is there no real flexy frames on the market with heavier weight, headlight balance, and larger headsize :shock:
 
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