Can anyone remember this incident?

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
Me too. Ljubicic has a smart mouth,and needs to learn to shut it. Hilarious the people on here defending these types of comments from this guy. Never in a million years would Nadal get away with saying this kind of crap. The folks on here would want to see him hanged at dawn for such grievances,but since Ljubicic is a well known Fed boot licker,his comments are justified. I wonder what the reaction would be if he had said these things about Fed? I can bet if he had,Ivan would have to move into the witness protection program,and do so stat.
Come on, Clarky, I thought you were fairer than that. Anyone whose opinion of Fed is positive, or who criticizes Nadal even the slightest is attacked by you Nadal fans. Remember the thread in which Lube said Nadal's game was boring and how he was raked on the coals for daring to speak.

Now fast forward to the recent thread of that guy ... oh yes, stackoverflowsky. The way you guys capitalized on that. Did you folks then say that he has a smart mouth and should learn to keep it shut ?

Eh, my dear friend ? Double standards ?
 

sbengte

G.O.A.T.
You have a problem with a tennis player having an opinion? How is being honest a bad thing?

This. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Ljubicic expressing his opinion about Nadal and no one should have a problem with it. Must have taken some guts to be honest and speak out against a top player in his interview.
 

vive le beau jeu !

Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal is still mad because what Ljubicic said is true and the truth hurts.

I don't know what he expected though. Did he really think that his gimmicky manufactured image and autistic personality would make him popular in the locker room?
maybe that's what tio toni made him believe ?... :rolleyes:
Funny that even other players can't stand this guy.
it's pleasant to see that most players have a healthy reaction toward this disgusting and fake character. :)
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
So the message coming through is that it is not acceptable for a player to mention time violations by Nadal. Any criticism of Rafa is ridiculous ???

I shall now find the strength to not be annoyed with NSK anymore and retire this nonsense account (wouldn't mind the mods banning this). Was meant to be a parody acc but the guy alone is enough of a joke.
pls don't go. i was laughing at your posts.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Lube was another mental slave of Fed. Players like Rafa and Djokovic refused to be like that, and see how successful they are against Fed.

Ironically Nadal and Djokovic are 5-6 younger than Federer rather than 2 years older which is the case with Ljubicic.
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
Fred was another mental slave of Rafa. Players like Djokovic and Dasco refused to be like that, and see how successful they are against Rafa.
 

Clarky21

Banned
Come on, Clarky, I thought you were fairer than that. Anyone whose opinion of Fed is positive, or who criticizes Nadal even the slightest is attacked by you Nadal fans. Remember the thread in which Lube said Nadal's game was boring and how he was raked on the coals for daring to speak.Now fast forward to the recent thread of that guy ... oh yes, stackoverflowsky. The way you guys capitalized on that. Did you folks then say that he has a smart mouth and should learn to keep it shut ?

Eh, my dear friend ? Double standards ?


Not from me. I don't dislike Fed at all,and I don't remember the thread you speak of,either. Anyway,the same thing can definitely be said about Fed fans when anything positive is said about Nadal. He can't do anything right according to some people on here,and several folks on here actually think the guy is the devil incarnate.

I also stand by comment that Ivan is a Fed boot licker,and would lose to Fed in order to worship him a bit further,even if he were up 5-0,40-0 in the 5th set of a Wimby final. He cannot see the forest for the trees when it comes to anything related to Roger.

And noone would be saying anything if he knew how to keep his trap shut. You talk sh*t you get sh*t in return.
 
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Clarky21

Banned
This. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Ljubicic expressing his opinion about Nadal and no one should have a problem with it. Must have taken some guts to be honest and speak out against a top player in his interview.


Replace the name Nadal with Federer,and would you still feel the same way?
 

Photoshop

Professional
Hasn't Ljubicic retired? Why does he feel the need to bring up something from 6 years ago that's not even newsworthy? Why is he badmouthing the future GOAT that's clearly out of his league? He needs to stay retired and stop making a scene. He was only known for his baldness and he'll soon be forgotten. Goodbye.

ButthurtLjub.JPG
 

BeHappy

Hall of Fame
Nadal beat him in straights at the 2006 FO semi-final 6-4,6-2,7-6.



Some players seem to get him on his nerves. Nadal is certainly one of them.



Well I'm going by memory, not looking up stats on the ATP website. Lubijic definitely had the lead at some point in that match in either the first or second set, maybe he was up a break or maybe it went to a tight tie break or whatever. It was a very tight match, and a very long one too actually if I recall correctly.
 
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Mustard

Bionic Poster
Well I'm going by memory, not looking up stats on the ATP website. Lubijic definitely had the lead at some point in that match in either the first or second set, maybe he was up a break or maybe it went to a tight tie break or whatever. It was a very tight match, and a very long one too actually if I recall correctly.

Are you sure you're not confusing it with Nadal's 5-7, 6-4, 6-4, 6-4 win over Mathieu in the Round of 32? That match was 4 hours and 53 minutes.
 

BeHappy

Hall of Fame
Are you sure you're not confusing it with Nadal's 5-7, 6-4, 6-4, 6-4 win over Mathieu in the Round of 32? That match was 4 hours and 53 minutes.

Definintely. Nadal had lots of tough matches back then due to his grinder style, I remember Hewitt pushing him VERY hard at RG one year. 4 sets and 4 hours. Might even have been the same year.
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
Definintely. Nadal had lots of tough matches back then due to his grinder style, I remember Hewitt pushing him VERY hard at RG one year. 4 sets and 4 hours. Might even have been the same year.

It was the same year. Ljubicic had a slow start against Nadal. He didn't really get going until the third set, and it was way too late by then. Mathieu, Hewitt and Federer were the tough matches for Nadal.
 

Leelord337

Hall of Fame
I have another question in regards to remembering a tennis incident:

Carlos Moya became angry at the opponent and went for a first serve to hit the player on purpose, served over the baseline at 130+. anybody remember this? i think it was between 2002-2004
 

intrepidish

Hall of Fame
Ljubi has been critical of other players. I remember Nalby winning the WTF and getting the #3 ranking. Ljubi had a pretty good record against Nalby and he said in a presser that he was the real #3. Just seemed a little disrespectful of a fellow players accomplishment.

Ljubicic has a history of being a Federer henchman and a bit too smart mouthed for his own good.
 

intrepidish

Hall of Fame
i agree. i will curve down myself to receive the apropriate beatings for having to study my way thru life instead of just beeing a brainless hacker with a talent for pushing a ball with stick!

More like an obsessive crank who spends countless hours on a message board WRITING about men who hit a ball with a stick.
 

intrepidish

Hall of Fame
Well I'm going by memory, not looking up stats on the ATP website. Lubijic definitely had the lead at some point in that match in either the first or second set, maybe he was up a break or maybe it went to a tight tie break or whatever. It was a very tight match, and a very long one too actually if I recall correctly.

Seeing as how he lost all three sets, it couldn't have been much of a lead.

Your memory doesn't seem all that reliable unsurprisingly.
 

BeHappy

Hall of Fame
Seeing as how he lost all three sets, it couldn't have been much of a lead.

Your memory doesn't seem all that reliable unsurprisingly.


Oh really?

Let's take a look at the stats, http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=L360&oId=N409#


Ivan Ljubicic did break Nadal and the match was nearly 3 hours long.

6-4, 6-7(5), 6-3
Set 1: Lubijic broke him in the first set, Nadal broke back and then got a second break, the set was an hour long. That's a tight set.

THe second set went to a tie break which Nadal won 7-5, that's a tight set.

The third set Lubijic allowed himself to be affected by Nadal's time wasting and got broken twice (he served first).

That's a pretty tight match isn't it? I said :
BeHappy said:
Well I'm going by memory, not looking up stats on the ATP website. Lubijic definitely had the lead at some point in that match in either the first or second set, maybe he was up a break or maybe it went to a tight tie break or whatever. It was a very tight match, and a very long one too actually if I recall correctly.

He was up a break in the first set, there was a very tight tie break in the second set, it was a very long match.

Seems like my memory is pretty accurate seeing as I watched this 6 years ago.
 
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TheTruth

G.O.A.T.
He might be a nice guy but sometimes he makes silly comments.
A few weeks ago he criticized Fish and other American players on twitter for not showing up at the clay court events.

Fish-responds-to-Ljubicic.png


Ljubicic deleted his twitter account after this.

Good stuff. Ljubicic is/was notorious for making dumb, generalized comments.
 

intrepidish

Hall of Fame
Oh really?

Let's take a look at the stats, http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=L360&oId=N409#


Ivan Ljubicic did break Nadal and the match was nearly 3 hours long.

6-4, 6-7(5), 6-3
Set 1: Lubijic broke him in the first set, Nadal broke back and then got a second break, the set was an hour long. That's a tight set.

THe second set went to a tie break which Nadal won 7-5, that's a tight set.

The third set Lubijic allowed himself to be affected by Nadal's time wasting and got broken twice (he served first).

That's a pretty tight match isn't it? I said :


He was up a break in the first set, there was a very tight tie break in the second set, it was a very long match.

Seems like my memory is pretty accurate
seeing as I watched this 6 years ago.


Seems like you don't know what you're talking about since the match in question was the 2006 FO semi-final 6-4,6-2,7-6.

What are YOU going on about?

That's twice you have referenced the wrong match.


Maybe it is more than your memory that is problematic.
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
Oh really?

Let's take a look at the stats, http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=L360&oId=N409#


Ivan Ljubicic did break Nadal and the match was nearly 3 hours long.

6-4, 6-7(5), 6-3
Set 1: Lubijic broke him in the first set, Nadal broke back and then got a second break, the set was an hour long. That's a tight set.

THe second set went to a tie break which Nadal won 7-5, that's a tight set.

The third set Lubijic allowed himself to be affected by Nadal's time wasting and got broken twice (he served first).

That's a pretty tight match isn't it? I said :

That's their 2005 Miami match. Nadal won 6-4, 6-7, 6-3. It was Ljubicic who won the second set tiebreak, not Nadal.

Their 2006 French Open match saw Nadal beat Ljubicic 6-4, 6-2, 7-6 in the semi finals.
 

TheTruth

G.O.A.T.
Was it innocent? Ljubicic said that he felt like the world number 2 at a time when world number 2 Nadal was French Open champion and the holder of 4 masters series titles. Ljubicic said after Nadal beat him in the 2006 French Open semi finals that Nadal was slow between points and then said that "the whole locker room" would like to see Federer win. How would you feel in Nadal's shoes after those comments? It sounds hostile to me. In fact, come to think of it, the stick Nadal was getting at that time was disgraceful. He dared to challenge the mighty Federer and stop him becoming French Open champion.

That is a perfect summation of the events as they occurred.

Anyway, this is all water under the bridge. It doesn't really even need to be addressed as it has absolutely no relevance in today's game. Some years ago Ljubicic was making hostile comments about Nadal, Nadal didn't like it (I wouldn't either) and now Ljube is retired, slamless, and a decent career, no more.

Sounds like sour grapes to me.
 

BeHappy

Hall of Fame
Seems like you don't know what you're talking about since the match in question was the 2006 FO semi-final 6-4,6-2,7-6.

What are YOU going on about?

That's twice you have referenced the wrong match.


Maybe it is more than your memory that is problematic.

I just copy and pasted the wrong scoreline, the stats are still correct.

The match was nearly 3 hours long. Ljubicic was up a break in the first set. There was a tight tiebreak in the third set!


I was right about everything!

BeHappy said:
Well I'm going by memory, not looking up stats on the ATP website. Lubijic definitely had the lead at some point in that match in either the first or second set, maybe he was up a break or maybe it went to a tight tie break or whatever. It was a very tight match, and a very long one too actually if I recall correctly.

Now what?
 

TheTruth

G.O.A.T.
This along with the comments he made recently about Americans skipping clay events, it seems as if Ljub isn't quite the 'nice guy' people want to portray him as. Not saying he's a pr ick, but he tends to put his foot in his mouth a lot it seems.

I'd still hold a grudge too if I was Nadal. LOL at Ljub trying to play Mr. Innocent. "I still don't know what I could've said..." Saying that everyone wants Fed to win, saying you're the real #2, calling him out for time wasting after a loss, that couldn't be it, no?

Very true. I hate when people try to play innocent when they know they're really trying to stir the pot. So silly.
 

BeHappy

Hall of Fame
That's their 2005 Miami match. Nadal won 6-4, 6-7, 6-3. It was Ljubicic who won the second set tiebreak, not Nadal.

Their 2006 French Open match saw Nadal beat Ljubicic 6-4, 6-2, 7-6 in the semi finals.



see previous post.

Here's the same correct link to the same correct stats I gave in the first post:
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=L360&oId=N409#

I was right about everything.

edit: It redirects, try this one:
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Share/Match-Facts-Pop-Up.aspx?t=1536&y=2005&r=7&p=L360
 

tangerine

Professional
Ljubicic has always been an arsehole with a chip on his shoulder. He thinks too highly of himself for the lowly tennis rung he occupys/occupied.
 

TheTruth

G.O.A.T.
Replace the name Nadal with Federer,and would you still feel the same way?

Probably not. There's an uprising if anyone says anything about Fed around here, pundits, players, and posters included.

Double standards? All of a sudden Ljubicic was just being honest, lol!
 

BeHappy

Hall of Fame
Well no, you said and I quote: "It took Nadal 4 tight sets to win" . It didn't. Nadal beat him in straights.

You tell me.

Let's try this again:
BeHappy said:
I was right about everything [in the post of mine that I quoted and was obviously referring to].

I forgot I need to spell everything out for simple minded folk like yourselves. That would have saved me having to connect the dots for you here.

Would you like fries with your humble pie?
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
see previous post.

Here's the same correct link to the same correct stats I gave in the first post:
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=L360&oId=N409#

I was right about everything.

edit: It redirects, try this one:
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Share/Match-Facts-Pop-Up.aspx?t=1536&y=2005&r=7&p=L360

Nadal won their 2006 French Open semi final comfortably. He was broken just once, compared to 4 times where Nadal broke Ljubicic's serve. As I said, Nadal's toughest matches of that tournament were against Mathieu, Hewitt and Federer.
 

edberg505

Legend
I think I remember Ivan saying something about he doesn't like warming up with him because he frames a lot of balls, or something like that. LOL. Ivan was always known for making bitter comments after losing. That's just what he does. I don't see any point in being bitter about it especially since he won the matches more often than not. Now it would probably bother me more if I lost. Hahaha.
 

BeHappy

Hall of Fame
Nadal won their 2006 French Open semi final comfortably. He was broken just once, compared to 4 times where Nadal broke Ljubicic's serve. As I said, Nadal's toughest matches of that tournament were against Mathieu, Hewitt and Federer.

3 sets in 3 hours isn't a comfortable win. Being taken to a tight tie breaker isn't a comfortable win. Going down a break to one of the greatest servers of all time isn't a comfortable win.

Admit it, you don't know what you're talking about.
 

tistrapukcipeht

Professional
He might be a nice guy but sometimes he makes silly comments.
A few weeks ago he criticized Fish and other American players on twitter for not showing up at the clay court events.

Fish-responds-to-Ljubicic.png


Ljubicic deleted his twitter account after this.


Classy answer from Fish, nothing more I could expect from a guy that called Tsonga "Dumb ***" last year, had problems with Mathieu a long, long time ago, and of course is friends with Roddick, resembling his best friend :) .
 
Classy answer from Fish, nothing more I could expect from a guy that called Tsonga "Dumb ***" last year, had problems with Mathieu a long, long time ago, and of course is friends with Roddick, resembling his best friend :) .

So wait, insinuating a guy is skipping tournaments because he's lazy (basically) and not because he's injured (which Fish is and Roddick were) is ok, but somehow responding and defending yourself isn't ok? I forgot, this place has people on here that hate on Americans almost as much as they hate Nadal. :?
 

tistrapukcipeht

Professional
So wait, insinuating a guy is skipping tournaments because he's lazy (basically) and not because he's injured (which Fish is and Roddick were) is ok, but somehow responding and defending yourself isn't ok? I forgot, this place has people on here that hate on Americans almost as much as they hate Nadal. :?

He can defend himself, but no need to be classless and be offensive. I know Ljubicic was wrong about it and it's not his business, but rant like that is unecessary, He was agry!

Ljubicic didn't call Americans that can't play on clay dumb which in that case would have been a great answer.
 

tistrapukcipeht

Professional
Consistently hit 900 aces a year at his peak:
2005: 897 aces
2006: 929
2007: 944 aces


in 2002 he hit 750 aces in 58 matches. He is definitely one of the best servers ever.

Absolutely, one of the best serves ever, still better than most players in the top 10 nowadays.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Let's try this again:

Try it as many times as you like.We were discussing the 2006 FO semi-final between Nadal and Ljubicic. I again quote from you:

It took Nadal 4 tight sets to win even with the gamesmanship and Lubijic actually might have won if Nadal hadn't taken so long between serves.

And I again repeat, this time very slowly for you so you can finally take it in:

Nadal won the match in straight sets 6-4,6-2,7-6.

So what was it you were saying about being right about everything you said?

I forgot I need to spell everything out for simple minded folk like yourselves. That would have saved me having to connect the dots for you here.

Well, you haven't connected the dots for me have you? I've just had to connect them for you though I can see it's probably a waste of time for someone who evidently likes to throw his toys out of the pram rather than actually admit...shock, horror.... he might actually have been wrong about something!

Would you like fries with your humble pie?

Well, how about you try some first? It might do you a world of good!
 

BeHappy

Hall of Fame
I again quote from you:
BeHappy said:
It took Nadal 4 tight sets to win
And I again repeat, this time very slowly for you so you can finally take it in:

Nadal won the match in straight sets 6-4,6-2,7-6.

Not in the post you quoted! No mention of 4 sets here:
BeHappy said:
I just copy and pasted the wrong scoreline, the stats are still correct.

The match was nearly 3 hours long. Ljubicic was up a break in the first set. There was a tight tiebreak in the third set!


I was right about everything!

BeHappy said:
Well I'm going by memory, not looking up stats on the ATP website. Lubijic definitely had the lead at some point in that match in either the first or second set, maybe he was up a break or maybe it went to a tight tie break or whatever. It was a very tight match, and a very long one too actually if I recall correctly.

Now what?

How does it feel being wrong? :)
 
Consistently hit 900 aces a year at his peak:
2005: 897 aces
2006: 929
2007: 944 aces


in 2002 he hit 750 aces in 58 matches. He is definitely one of the best servers ever.

Absolutely, one of the best serves ever, still better than most players in the top 10 nowadays.

I guess the numbers back it up, but when I think of great serves his name never comes to mind. Guys like Sampras, Ivanisevic, Karlovic, Roddick, and Becker...even Fed would be ahead just based on his pressure serving in big matches (namely Wim 09 final).
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Not in the post you quoted! No mention of 4 sets here:

How about we stick to the post I did quote? You incorrectly stated that Ljubicic had taken Nadal to 4 sets at 2006 FO when he lost in straights. You then said and I quote: "I was right about everything!"

How does it feel being wrong? :)

I'll let you know when I am. How does it feel to be wrong about being right about everything? :cool:
 

Crisstti

Legend
2- I wouldnt say all, but I would agree most of the players prefer a guy like Rodge over Rafa's personality. No one likes to have a bully around. Plus remember that in those days Rafa was more of a pusher than he is today.

Lol, Nadal is not a bully. If anyone was being a bully there it was Ljubicic. He was behaving like a spoiled child... Rafa was what, 20 at the time?, and acting so much maturely than him...

Was it innocent? Ljubicic said that he felt like the world number 2 at a time when world number 2 Nadal was French Open champion and the holder of 4 masters series titles. Ljubicic said after Nadal beat him in the 2006 French Open semi finals that Nadal was slow between points and then said that "the whole locker room" would like to see Federer win. How would you feel in Nadal's shoes after those comments? It sounds hostile to me. In fact, come to think of it, the stick Nadal was getting at that time was disgraceful. He dared to challenge the mighty Federer and stop him becoming French Open champion.

But what stick was he getting apart from what Ljubicic said?.
 
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Crisstti

Legend
lol, I can't believe this. hahah, Nadal can hardly speak any English, he is a buttpicker, OCD with his bottles, his ego is huge, yet he pretends to be humble... and you call that classy ...

and when you say 'we can only wish to be as classy', I just had to puke ... let me go brush my teeth now ...

Uhm, what is classless is making comments such as those. His ability to speak a foreign language?, having an anxiety problem?. That has nothing at all with being classy or not.

You believe that nonsense from Ljubicic? LOL.

They just believe what they want to believe. I mean, never mind that Fish (just to name an example) said he's well liked.

They would SO love it if the other players hated him like they do.

I think I remember Ivan saying something about he doesn't like warming up with him because he frames a lot of balls, or something like that. LOL. Ivan was always known for making bitter comments after losing. That's just what he does. I don't see any point in being bitter about it especially since he won the matches more often than not. Now it would probably bother me more if I lost. Hahaha.

He was mad at Soderling in 2007 even though he also won that match, so it has nothing to do with winning or losing.

Really, we have seen here posted many instances of Ljubicic being downright rude (and an awfully sore loser) to Rafa... and to others. And yet some people think Rafa has nothing to be upset about. Guess nothing else should be expected from haters, who are really nothing but sore losers themselves.
Even now, he tries to play innocent and make Rafa look bad for (allegedly) holding a grudge, after all he's said.
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
But what stick was he getting apart from what Ljubicic said?.

From the crowd, mainly, and the usual people picking faults with Nadal while they praise Federer to the moon. It was like everyone, including Federer's opponents, was supposed to just stand back and admire Federer's game as he broke every record. Nadal's challenge to Federer was treated like "how dare you challenge Federer!"
 

intrepidish

Hall of Fame
Not in the post you quoted! No mention of 4 sets here:


How does it feel being wrong? :)

You reference the 4 sets in more than one post. You have some serious issues if you think you were "right about everything."

Winning a match in straights with several breaks. A little different than the picture you referenced.

It would be ok if you owned up to it but instead you go on the OFFENSIVE.

Pretty classless.
 
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