Can anyone remember this incident?

[jamesblakefan#1]

From the crowd, mainly, and the usual people picking faults with Nadal while they praise Federer to the moon. It was like everyone, including Federer's opponents, was supposed to just stand back and admire Federer's game as he broke every record. Nadal's challenge to Federer was treated like "how dare you challenge Federer!"

I think that's a bit of hyperbole. Sure there were some diehards who didn't like Fed's dominance being challenged, but most people liked the dichotomy of Fed being able to win everywhere but having the one unclimbable mountain in Nadal on clay. Every sports fan loves a rivalry - Patriots/Colts, Sox/Yankees, Ali/Frazier, I could go on and on. Tennis had lacked that since the retirement of Sampras (w/ Agassi), and Fed/Nadal definitely filled that void in a great way. Let's be honest, even though US media pinned their hopes on it, it was clear that Roddick/Fed wasn't going to be much of a 'rivalry' for this era since Fed was so much better and owned Roddick in every big match.

That and Nadal was a vast contrast from Fed w/ the capri pants and short sleeves and definitely won over his share of fans, as is obvious by the strong fanbase he enjoys today.

The disdain Nadal got in the past was nowhere near what it seems to be today, since back then he was still thought of as a CC specialist and no real threat to Fed's chase of the slam record. Not until he started to do well on other surfaces on a consistent basis did you see some of that change.

 

[Magnus]

Fed is the people's champion. Rafa will always be jealous of that. Fed can lose to him 1000 times and people will still cheer for him mostly.

 

[Magnus]

Why is it not nice? If you don't like someone, you don't like someone. Nothing wrong with that. Not everyone has to act like a forgiving sissy.

He may not like him, but he's still on tour with him, which means he should at least keep a friendly attitude toward him regardless of what they both think of each other. Of course, Ljubo called out Nadal for his time wasting back in 2006. Six years later and it keeps getting worse and worse.

 

[edberg505]

Uhm, what is classless is making comments such as those. His ability to speak a foreign language?, having an anxiety problem?. That has nothing at all with being classy or not.



They just believe what they want to believe. I mean, never mind that Fish (just to name an example) said he's well liked.

They would SO love it if the other players hated him like they do.



He was mad at Soderling in 2007 even though he also won that match, so it has nothing to do with winning or losing.

Really, we have seen here posted many instances of Ljubicic being downright rude (and an awfully sore loser) to Rafa... and to others. And yet some people think Rafa has nothing to be upset about. Guess nothing else should be expected from haters, who are really nothing but sore losers themselves.
Even now, he tries to play innocent and make Rafa look bad for (allegedly) holding a grudge, after all he's said.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highs...-prep-football-star-exonerated-210345660.html

That guy has a reason to be bitter and yet he isn't. Holding a grudge for 6 years against someone because they said something so trivial seems rather petty.

 

[Magnus]

From the crowd, mainly, and the usual people picking faults with Nadal while they praise Federer to the moon. It was like everyone, including Federer's opponents, was supposed to just stand back and admire Federer's game as he broke every record. Nadal's challenge to Federer was treated like "how dare you challenge Federer!"

Which is why Fed fans are more than happy to welcome the newer challengers in Djokovic, Delpo, Murray, Tsonga, Berdych, and to a lesser extent Soderling. All these guys gave Federer trouble in the past and beat him, yet Fed fans are still happy with the comeptition. Face it, people who dislike Nadal do it because of Nadal's attitude, not because he challenged Fed.

 

[jamesblakefan#1]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highs...-prep-football-star-exonerated-210345660.html

That guy has a reason to be bitter and yet he isn't. Holding a grudge for 6 years against someone because they said something so trivial seems rather petty.

Come on man, let's not act like people from all walks of life don't hold grudges for even longer for much smaller stuff, relatively speaking.

 

[Sentinel]

What makes you think you know why people dislike Nadal? First of all many of us Fed fans don't like his game, and that's different from not liking the person. We may crack jokes at his attitude or habits but that's another thing altogether.

Recently when he won Rome there was a spate of posters saying "Nadal is killing/ruining tennis", so again it was his playing style, not attitude.

Yes, we do object to his time violations and even those hilarious MTO's but those are usually secondary.

You hate Nadal so you seem to need to make it look like everyone hates him. Get a life !

 

[primetennis]

LOL, Nadal would know a lot more about Ljubicic than the fans do.

ya right..nadal knows everything about everyone..he is the god after all..

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

Which is why Fed fans are more than happy to welcome the newer challengers in Djokovic, Delpo, Murray, Tsonga, Berdych, and to a lesser extent Soderling. All these guys gave Federer trouble in the past and beat him, yet Fed fans are still happy with the comeptition. Face it, people who dislike Nadal do it because of Nadal's attitude, not because he challenged Fed.

i know nardology is still a developing discipline but it's really puzzling to me why they don't manage to understand such a simple and obvious thing... or maybe they pretend not to ? or do they simply force themselves to believe in the legend of the pure golden bull striving for the well-being of all the poor tennis players of the world ?

great post, by the way.

(awesome ! you rock ! you're the fuzziest poster !)

 

[OddJack]

When people here post threads titled " why so much hate for Nadal" is it not likely that many in locker room would feel the same?

 

[namelessone]

When people here post threads titled " why so much hate for Nadal" is it not likely that many in locker room would feel the same?

And this is why TW(and all other tennis forums basically) are a joke.

How can you equate what some(not all) here comment to what "many in the locker room" feel? Have you been in those locker rooms, are you a constant presence there?Are we gonna compare weekend warriors feeling about a player with what the pros feel about that particular guy(you know, those people that know him instead of guys that form their opinion on Nadal with what they see on tv)? Yes, I'm sure some players hate/dislike Nadal, just like some guys do on the Internet but you can put that for every player out there. The unfortunate reality for the haters is that most players like or are neutral towards Nadal. He is supposedly a cheater/bully/mean starer across the net/add whatever you like, since at least 2005 yet the nr of players that have come and sad anything bad or complained about him in any nr of ways I could probably count on one hand.

I can't fathom a scenario where everybody player in the locker room is a big fat wuss and Nadal is the "bully". It's hilarious. There are so many hotheaded players around there or players that are more physically imposing than Nadal, you think Nadal could dominate them in any way in the locker room? I have to laugh.

 

[BlueClayIsRealClay]

And this is why TW(and all other tennis forums basically) are a joke.

How can you equate what some(not all) here comment to what "many in the locker room" feel? Have you been in those locker rooms, are you a constant presence there?Are we gonna compare weekend warriors feeling about a player with what the pros feel about that particular guy(you know, those people that know him instead of guys that form their opinion on Nadal with what they see on tv)? Yes, I'm sure some players hate/dislike Nadal, just like some guys do on the Internet but you can put that for every player out there. The unfortunate reality for the haters is that most players like or are neutral towards Nadal. He is supposedly a cheater/bully/mean starer across the net/add whatever you like, since at least 2005 yet the nr of players that have come and sad anything bad or complained about him in any nr of ways I could probably count on one hand.


I can't fathom a scenario where everybody player in the locker room is a big fat wuss and Nadal is the "bully". It's hilarious. There are so many hotheaded players around there or players that are more physically imposing than Nadal, you think Nadal could dominate them in any way in the locker room? I have to laugh.

You just contradicted yourself. Read the bolded parts carefully and see if you can figure out why.

 

[Magnus]

What makes you think you know why people dislike Nadal? First of all many of us Fed fans don't like his game, and that's different from not liking the person. We may crack jokes at his attitude or habits but that's another thing altogether.

Recently when he won Rome there was a spate of posters saying "Nadal is killing/ruining tennis", so again it was his playing style, not attitude.

Yes, we do object to his time violations and even those hilarious MTO's but those are usually secondary.

You hate Nadal so you seem to need to make it look like everyone hates him. Get a life !

I was referring to people who seem to hate Nadal, regardless of his tennis. I, for one, find nothing wrong with his tennis. Its effective, good, and very physical. Anyone who says something bad about Nadal's game is lying to himself, simply as that. I hate Nadal for what I consider him being a tennis criminal. I think he ruins the sport. Disagree with me? Good for you, I respect that. I didn't say everyone hates Nadal, I was simply referring to people who DO.

And that poor "Gat a life" last bit is something I'd expect from a ******* like Mustard, Bud, or The Truth.

Now obviously, there ARE people who hate Nadal, so have some respect for that community as well.

 

[BeHappy]

The thing about Nadal in 2006 is he was scraping through matches, losing sets to lots of players. Federer was blowing the same opponents away. Nadal needed plenty of cheating to get through a lot of his matches.

And then in the finals against Federer in every tournament, Nadal was winning purely by being a left hander. It seemed obvious that Federer was the better clay courter then.

Of course Nadal went on to reach a completely different level in 2007. His gamesmanship was very very bad back in those days though. I remember lots of incidences.

 

[BeHappy]

How about we stick to the post I did quote? You incorrectly stated that Ljubicic had taken Nadal to 4 sets at 2006 FO when he lost in straights. You then said and I quote: "I was right about everything!"

I reproduced the post of mine you quoted last time, here it is again:

I again quote from you:

It took Nadal 4 tight sets to win

And I again repeat, this time very slowly for you so you can finally take it in:

Nadal won the match in straight sets 6-4,6-2,7-6.

Not in the post you quoted! No mention of 4 sets here:

I just copy and pasted the wrong scoreline, the stats are still correct.

The match was nearly 3 hours long. Ljubicic was up a break in the first set. There was a tight tiebreak in the third set!


I was right about everything!

Well I'm going by memory, not looking up stats on the ATP website. Lubijic definitely had the lead at some point in that match in either the first or second set, maybe he was up a break or maybe it went to a tight tie break or whatever. It was a very tight match, and a very long one too actually if I recall correctly.

Now what?

How does it feel being wrong?

I'll let you know when I am. How does it feel to be wrong about being right about everything?

Never said I was right about everything [in the world], just said I was right about everything [in that post]

 

[OddJack]

You just contradicted yourself. Read the bolded parts carefully and see if you can figure out why.

ehe

ehehe

MUHahahahahahaaaahaaaaaaa


Didnt you know namelssness is in those locker rooms with "constant presence"?
He must be the guy who collects the towels and takes them to laundry.

 

[jamesblakefan#1]

The thing about Nadal in 2006 is he was scraping through matches, losing sets to lots of players. Federer was blowing the same opponents away. Nadal needed plenty of cheating to get through a lot of his matches.

And then in the finals against Federer in every tournament, Nadal was winning purely by being a left hander. It seemed obvious that Federer was the better clay courter then.

Of course Nadal went on to reach a completely different level in 2007. His gamesmanship was very very bad back in those days though. I remember lots of incidences.

 

[Deleted member 3771]

Ivan who??

 

[jamesblakefan#1]

He can defend himself, but no need to be classless and be offensive. I know Ljubicic was wrong about it and it's not his business, but rant like that is unecessary, He was agry!

Ljubicic didn't call Americans that can't play on clay dumb which in that case would have been a great answer.

Well given what we know now about why Mardy has missed these tourneys, I'd say he has more than a right to call Ljub's comments dumb.

Roddick and John Isner quickly came to Fish's defense, Roddick Tweeting: "I know for a fact that @MardyFish is going through some serious physical issues right now… Irresponsible tweet by @IvanLjubicic1," Roddick began.

Fish himself shot back a message, which he later deleted: "@IvanLjubicic1 Some of us aren't skipping tournaments bc we want to. Do ur homework before u make dumb generalized comments."

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/tennis/story/2012-05-28/mardy-fish-heart/55244236/1

 

[LeoMOMO]

What makes you think you know why people dislike Nadal? First of all many of us Fed fans don't like his game, and that's different from not liking the person. We may crack jokes at his attitude or habits but that's another thing altogether.

Recently when he won Rome there was a spate of posters saying "Nadal is killing/ruining tennis", so again it was his playing style, not attitude.

Yes, we do object to his time violations and even those hilarious MTO's but those are usually secondary.

You hate Nadal so you seem to need to make it look like everyone hates him. Get a life !

thumbs up to Sentinel.

 

[namelessone]

You just contradicted yourself. Read the bolded parts carefully and see if you can figure out why.

No contradiction.

We both made an assumption even though we don't know the lockerrom personally.

But I based my assumption(that most guys in the lockerroom like or are neutral towards Nadal) on the fact that very few players have had any sort of conflict(or at least expressed their dislike in another way) with Nadal in the 8 or so years he has been on top whereas he based his(that MANY guys in the lockerrom dislike Nadal) on the fact that a bunch of anonymous guys/gals like to hate on Nadal on a internet forum, equating the feelings of a bunch of regular joes with the ones that actually get to share a lockerrom with Nadal and suggesting that both parties are somewhat similar in number(hey lots of guys dislike Nadal on forums so lots of guys must dislike him in the lockerroom, amirite?). Ridiculously funny.

 

[BlueClayIsRealClay]

No contradiction.

We both made an assumption even though we don't know the lockerrom personally.

But I based my assumption(that most guys in the lockerroom like or are neutral towards Nadal) on the fact that very few players have had any sort of conflict(or at least expressed their dislike in another way) with Nadal in the 8 or so years he has been on top whereas he based his(that MANY guys in the lockerrom dislike Nadal) on the fact that a bunch of anonymous guys/gals like to hate on Nadal on a internet forum, equating the feelings of a bunch of regular joes with the ones that actually get to share a lockerrom with Nadal and suggesting that both parties are somewhat similar in number(hey lots of guys dislike Nadal on forums so lots of guys must dislike him in the lockerroom, amirite?). Ridiculously funny.

Are you for real? You just lambasted the guy for assuming to know what goes on in the locker room and then you do the EXACT same thing yourself.

And then on top of that you do the exact same thing AGAIN in this post (see bolded). Hypocrite much?

 

[TheTruth]

From the crowd, mainly, and the usual people picking faults with Nadal while they praise Federer to the moon. It was like everyone, including Federer's opponents, was supposed to just stand back and admire Federer's game as he broke every record. Nadal's challenge to Federer was treated like "how dare you challenge Federer!"

So true. That's what makes Nadal so awesome. He's a tennis player, too. He's not supposed to be a fan. In the end it didn't matter as Nadal still amassed millions of fans on his own.


Guess everybody didn't feel that way.

 

[Rhino]

He might be a nice guy but sometimes he makes silly comments.
A few weeks ago he criticized Fish and other American players on twitter for not showing up at the clay court events.

Ljubicic deleted his twitter account after this.

I think Mardy is the ass here. Ljubicic made a good point. Mardy isn't the only US player on tour. Where was Roddick during Monte Carlo / Madrid / Rome?

Mardy deleted this comment very soon after he posted it when he realised how stupid it was.

 

[BlueClayIsRealClay]

Some posters are nuts.

 

[jamesblakefan#1]

I think Mardy is the ass here. Ljubicic made a good point. Mardy isn't the only US player on tour. Where was Roddick during Monte Carlo / Madrid / Rome?

Mardy deleted this comment very soon after he posted it when he realised how stupid it was.

Roddick has been injured as well. And Isner, Young, Harrison, Querrey all have played in CC events in Europe outside of the MS ones, so it's obvious Ljub's original comments were aimed at Andy and Mardy, both of whom were injured and not skipping clay just to do it.

 

[Leelord337]

I think Mardy is the ass here. Ljubicic made a good point. Mardy isn't the only US player on tour. Where was Roddick during Monte Carlo / Madrid / Rome?

Mardy deleted this comment very soon after he posted it when he realised how stupid it was.

Mardy is a d-bag and everyone in the tennis world knows that. Just not the nicest guy on tour..period. Ivan is 1 up on mardy having won a masters 1000 tourny so how dare mardy call ivan "dumb" in that message. Its just not right... He obviously was offended by it (because it was true- to some extent) so lashing out is the natural move.

 

[BeHappy]

Mardy is a d-bag and everyone in the tennis world knows that. Just not the nicest guy on tour..period. Ivan is 1 up on mardy having won a masters 1000 tourny so how dare mardy call ivan "dumb" in that message. Its just not right... He obviously was offended by it (because it was true- to some extent) so lashing out is the natural move.

They're both wrong really. Just like the incident that this thread originally referred to.

 

[jamesblakefan#1]

Mardy is a d-bag and everyone in the tennis world knows that. Just not the nicest guy on tour..period. Ivan is 1 up on mardy having won a masters 1000 tourny so how dare mardy call ivan "dumb" in that message. Its just not right... He obviously was offended by it (because it was true- to some extent) so lashing out is the natural move.

Mardy's d-baggery in the past has nothing to do with this one. Ljub was making an assumption that Mardy and Andy were missing tourneys bc they don't like clay, when the fact is that both were injured and in Mardy's case a severe health ailment. So if I was Mardy I'd say the same. I don't see how anyone can defend Ljub on this one, all of the facts point to him being in the wrong.

 

[Crisstti]

Are you for real? You just lambasted the guy for assuming to know what goes on in the locker room and then you do the EXACT same thing yourself.

And then on top of that you do the exact same thing AGAIN in this post (see bolded). Hypocrite much?

Uhm, he just explained. Just a couple guys have had any problem with him, that is as much as we can actually know. For that matter, he's friends with many players (and the only one who actually friends or at least very friendly with the other top three guys). For that matter, didn't Fish say he's very well liked in the locker room?. The same thing have said the commentators of ESPN here.

To assume he is disliked because there are people who dislike him on message boards, on the other hand...

 

[srinrajesh]

Lubi shouldnt have made those comments in a press conference and certainly shouldnt have talked for every other player.


3- It tells you something about Rafa's personality. The way he holds grudge and wouldnt forget or forgive even after someone says he is sorry aoubt it. Certainly not a "humble" behavior as he likes to project.-

For one we dont know if Ljubicic has really apologized in person .. i have not seen anything mentoned that he has done so
Also when you are 19 /20 years those comments would really rankle and stay in mind a lot more than when you are older

 

[tennisaddict]

Now we know why Lube wanted to coach Fed

 

[Chadillac]

Now we know why Lube wanted to coach Fed

 

[Sentinel]

LOL, Nadal would know a lot more about Ljubicic than the fans do.

Can anyone remember this poaster ?

 

[Sentinel]

i know nardology is still a developing discipline but it's really puzzling to me why they don't manage to understand such a simple and obvious thing... or maybe they pretend not to ? or do they simply force themselves to believe in the legend of the pure golden bull striving for the well-being of all the poor tennis players of the world ?

great post, by the way.

(awesome ! you rock ! you're the fuzziest poster !)

haha !
Actually, sadly Nardology has remained stagnant since your poast, possibly with the Bannings of it's principle proponents such as Nation's Smartest Kid and Clarky41. And Freako. In a couple seasons, it will go the way of the flat earth theory and fake moon landings, and find a home in some neglected museum in Iraq.