Watch out Nadal - Ferrer is right behind you!

Virginia · Dec 27, 2012

Current ranking points:

Nadal 6690
Ferrer 6505

If Nadal doesn't watch out, Ferrer will be the new No 4.

You heard it here first.

6-1 6-3 6-0 · Dec 27, 2012

In 2010, Nadal dropped several spots in the ranking too, and went on to become the first male player to win slams on clay, grass and hard-court all in a calendar year. Ranking clearly doesn't matter that much to Nadal.

(Also, you're not the first person to say this, many commentators have said it months before)

vive le beau jeu ! · Dec 27, 2012

Virginia said:
Current ranking points:

Nadal 6690
Ferrer 6505

If Nadal doesn't watch out, Ferrer will be the new No 4.

You heard it here first.

i'm afraid we already heard it before, several times (there, for instance)... but it's still a likely and pleasant scenario, so ok for a new thread !

vamos david !

Monsieur_DeLarge · Dec 27, 2012

Virginia said:
You heard it here first.

Regards,
MDL

Mike Sams · Dec 27, 2012

6-1 6-3 6-0 said:
In 2010, Nadal dropped several spots in the ranking too, and went on to become the first male player to win slams on clay, grass and hard-court all in a calendar year. Ranking clearly doesn't matter that much to Nadal.

(Also, you're not the first person to say this, many commentators have said it months before)

That's why he demanded a 2 year ranking system when he was on the ATP council. :lol:

forzamilan90 · Dec 27, 2012

6-1 6-3 6-0 said:
In 2010, Nadal dropped several spots in the ranking too, and went on to become the first male player to win slams on clay, grass and hard-court all in a calendar year. Ranking clearly doesn't matter that much to Nadal.

(Also, you're not the first person to say this, many commentators have said it months before)

You forgot to say "in world history"

underground · Dec 27, 2012

Monsieur_DeLarge said:
Err, no.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7076966&postcount=3
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7077010&postcount=5
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7077199&postcount=7
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7077228&postcount=8
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7077276&postcount=10
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7077277&postcount=11
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7077285&postcount=12
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7077512&postcount=15
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7077516&postcount=16
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7077517&postcount=17

That's just from the first page of one thread in the last week or so. People were talking about it prior to the Paris Indoor in November. The earliest thread on the matter I've found from a cursory search was started by timnz on the 3rd of November:
Is it theoretically possible that Ferrer could pass Nadal as the top ranked spaniard?

Given his username, you're therefore unlikely to even be the first New Zealander to start a thread on the matter.

Regards,
MDL

Actually I suggested this possible scenario even before the USO

pringles · Dec 27, 2012

Monsieur_DeLarge said:
Err, no.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7076966&postcount=3
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7077010&postcount=5
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7077199&postcount=7
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7077228&postcount=8
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7077276&postcount=10
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7077277&postcount=11
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7077285&postcount=12
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7077512&postcount=15
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7077516&postcount=16
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7077517&postcount=17

That's just from the first page of one thread in the last week or so. People were talking about it prior to the Paris Indoor in November. The earliest thread on the matter I've found from a cursory search was started by timnz on the 3rd of November:
Is it theoretically possible that Ferrer could pass Nadal as the top ranked spaniard?

Given his username, you're therefore unlikely to even be the first New Zealander to start a thread on the matter.

Regards,
MDL

The earliest thread is this: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=444266

BHud · Dec 27, 2012

Well...I thought about it several years back, but never posted.

Cup8489 · Dec 27, 2012

Guess Rafael "The Impossible" Nadal finds himself in a seemingly impossible scenario, being the second ranked spaniard despite holding a major over the soon-to-be top ranked spaniard.

Mustard · Dec 27, 2012

It's just a computer.

kishnabe · Dec 27, 2012

I doubt Nadal cares about that right now. I think he may have accepted that most likely Ferrer will pass him in the first few months.

Nadal worried about his form, knees and how far he goes in the event.

Beacon Hill · Dec 27, 2012

Good detective work. Perhaps a few people in the tennis world might have noticed that Ferrer is within 200 ranking points of Nadal, but you have obviously combined that information with research into the number of ranking points awarded for performance in ATP tournaments, and then cross referenced that with a calendar showing that there will be ATP events held this year.

Monsieur_DeLarge · Dec 27, 2012

Monsieur_DeLarge said:
The earliest thread on the matter I've found from a cursory search...

underground said:
Actually I suggested this possible scenario even before the USO

pringles said:
The earliest thread is this: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=444266

Hence my "cursory search" disclaimer.

Regards,
MDL

90's Clay · Dec 27, 2012

Yea I'm sure Nadal is really upset and nervous about that since we know Ferrer is such a big threat to the top tournaments.

Whats even more pathetic is Nadal hasn't played in 7 months yet everyone is still behind him barring Fed, Nole and Murray. :shock:

Virginia · Dec 27, 2012

OK, point taken, but I don't LIVE here like some of the posters here. I do have a life outside tennis as well.

Mike Sams · Dec 27, 2012

Well...Ferrer HAS beaten Nadal in every non-clay Slam they've played.:neutral:

Mike Sams · Dec 27, 2012

90's Clay said:
Yea I'm sure Nadal is really upset and nervous about that since we know Ferrer is such a big threat to the top tournaments.

Whats even more pathetic is Nadal hasn't played in 7 months yet everyone is still behind him barring Fed, Nole and Murray. :shock:

That won't be the case if Nadal doesn't come back to defend his points. It takes a year to see the real significance of the rankings system.

Mike Sams · Dec 27, 2012

If Nadal goes down to #5, he will have to play likely 3 of the top 4 players. Imagine Nadal's Wimbledon and USO draws. Play Federer in the quarters, Murray in the semis and Djokovic in the finals.:shock:

Murrayfan31 · Dec 27, 2012

Nadal's style of play finally wearing him down. He will be outside the top 10 soon.

veroniquem · Dec 27, 2012

Maybe but Ferrer is not young, it remains to be seen if he will defend his 2012 points (he had a brilliant year by his standards). I bet he won't. I really can't see him repeat a semi at both USO and RG for instance.

90's Clay · Dec 27, 2012

Mike Sams said:
If Nadal goes down to #5, he will have to play likely 3 of the top 4 players. Imagine Nadal's Wimbledon and USO draws. Play Federer in the quarters, Murray in the semis and Djokovic in the finals.:shock:

Ehh... If Nadal is healthy he can take out Fed and Murray no problem. Nole will present more of a problem but thats also dependent on his level too. Nole hasn't been able to duplicate his 2.0 2011 form. A form which he will be dependent upon to beat a healthy Nadal.. When Nole's level dropped, Nadal beat him 3 times in a row (should have been 4 if not for his choke in Australia this year)

Mike Sams · Dec 27, 2012

90's Clay said:
Ehh... If Nadal is healthy he can take out Fed and Murray no problem. Nole will present more of a problem but thats also dependent on his level too. Nole hasn't been able to duplicate his 2.0 2011 form. A form which he will be dependent upon to beat a healthy Nadal.. When Nole's level dropped, Nadal beat him 3 times in a row (should have been 4 if not for his choke in Australia this year)

:lol: Nadal needs 5 sets to take out Federer off clay, barring their AO 2012 meeting which easily could've gone to 5 sets. It's not a stroll in the park by any means. And Murray is a completely different player to the corpse Nadal beat up at the 2011 USO. You're going to see that the next time they meet on hardcourts. Murray stomped him in their last meeting. Nadal took 4 points in that final set.
Del Potro is also going to provide a very stern challenge now that he's regained his form. Not fully but he's getting there.
Nadal also didn't choke AO 2012. He was lucky even to take the match to a 5th set. He was down 3-4 and 0-40 in the 4th set. It was a miracle he even managed to get it to 5 sets which showed his warrior mentality. Regardless Djokovic still broke his serve twice back despite being 2-4 down in the 5th and shattered Nadal's dreams yet again.
Nadal got Djokovic on clay. Great for him. But the season includes hardcourts and grass. And Nadal's grass form is seriously beginning to suffer much like it did Federer when Federer got older. Nadal's hardcourt talents are respectable but he hasn't won a Masters since 2009 Indian Wells. Djokovic is racking up hardcourt Masters titles which shows the difference in hardcourt talent between the two. Clay is Nadal's domain but as history proves, Nadal has yet to defend a single title off clay in his 10 year career. Djokovic's normal level is still good enough to wipe out Nadal on hardcourts. AO is the proof. Djokovic had 1 day rest and was tired. Nadal had 2 days rest and was extremely determined. Nadal won the first set and then got stomped in the next 2. His 4th set was a miraculous display of courage but again, he couldn't sustain it in the 5th and Djokovic took him out. Same thing will happen off clay.

Cup8489 · Dec 27, 2012

Mike Sams said:
:lol: Nadal needs 5 sets to take out Federer off clay, barring their AO 2012 meeting which easily could've gone to 5 sets. It's not a stroll in the park by any means. And Murray is a completely different player to the corpse Nadal beat up at the 2011 USO. You're going to see that the next time they meet on hardcourts. Murray stomped him in their last meeting. Nadal took 4 points in that final set.
Del Potro is also going to provide a very stern challenge now that he's regained his form. Not fully but he's getting there.
Nadal also didn't choke AO 2012. He was lucky even to take the match to a 5th set. He was down 3-4 and 0-40 in the 4th set. It was a miracle he even managed to get it to 5 sets which showed his warrior mentality. Regardless Djokovic still broke his serve twice back despite being 2-4 down in the 5th and shattered Nadal's dreams yet again.

No point trying to have a meaningful discussion with 90's ****. He thinks Federer is a complete mug and completely unworthy of surpassing Godpras.

Which is of course preposterous.

Sid_Vicious · Dec 27, 2012

Virginia said:
OK, point taken, but I don't LIVE here like some of the posters here. I do have a life outside tennis as well.

Well, MDL (the guy who compiled the list), has only mustered up 292 posts in his 3.5 years on this form. I guess he has more of a life outside tennis than you

Feather · Dec 27, 2012

Mike Sams said:
If Nadal goes down to #5, he will have to play likely 3 of the top 4 players. Imagine Nadal's Wimbledon and USO draws. Play Federer in the quarters, Murray in the semis and Djokovic in the finals.:shock:

and Rosol in the second round also :wink:

sbengte · Dec 28, 2012

Mike Sams said:
Well...Ferrer HAS beaten Nadal in every non-clay Slam they've played.:neutral:

Wow ! Ferrer is 2-0 vs Nadal in non-clay slams :shock: Does NSK know this ?

sbengte · Dec 28, 2012

Mike Sams said:
That's why he demanded a 2 year ranking system when he was on the ATP council. :lol:

But don't you know he demanded it only for the sake of other injured players and not for himself ? :lol:

zagor · Dec 28, 2012

90's Clay said:
Ehh... If Nadal is healthy he can take out Fed and Murray no problem. Nole will present more of a problem but thats also dependent on his level too. Nole hasn't been able to duplicate his 2.0 2011 form. A form which he will be dependent upon to beat a healthy Nadal.. When Nole's level dropped, Nadal beat him 3 times in a row (should have been 4 if not for his choke in Australia this year)

Taking out someone no problem is beating him 7-6 6-1 6-1 or 6-4 6-3 6-3, Fed can still push Nadal (and thus tire him out) and Murray has improved since 2011 so yes if Nadal gets to #5 beating Fed and Murray back-to-back with Novak waiting in the final would be a tough scenario for him off clay.

Sure Nadal beat 3 times in a row but that was on clay, whenever Nadal returns he'll still be the big favourite against anyone on clay, that won't change anytime soon but it doesn't make him a favourite against Novak in AO, USO or even Wimbledon (even though he's a better grasscourter overall).

Regarding 2012 AO, I could just as easily say that Novak should have wrapped up that match in 4 sets.

RAFA2005RG · Dec 28, 2012

Virginia said:
Current ranking points:

Nadal 6690
Ferrer 6505

If Nadal doesn't watch out, Ferrer will be the new No 4.

You heard it here first.

You are seriously deluded if you think Nadal would be bothered by seeing Ferrer ahead of him in the rankings. Nadal would take a bullet for Ferrer.

Deleted member 77403 · Dec 28, 2012

zagor said:
Taking out someone no problem is beating him 7-6 6-1 6-1 or 6-4 6-3 6-3, Fed can still push Nadal (and thus tire him out) and Murray has improved since 2011 so yes if Nadal gets to #5 beating Fed and Murray back-to-back with Novak waiting in the final would be a tough scenario for him off clay.

Sure Nadal beat 3 times in a row but that was on clay, whenever Nadal returns he'll still be the big favourite against anyone on clay, that won't change anytime soon but it doesn't make him a favourite against Novak in AO, USO or even Wimbledon (even though he's a better grasscourter overall).

Regarding 2012 AO, I could just as easily say that Novak should have wrapped up that match in 4 sets.

Totally agree. It is bad enough for these elite players to have to face two of the others back to back, but if you have to run the guantlet of facing three of them in a row, on a surface that you are least comfortable on, the challenge is not a walk in the park.

If Nadal does drop to five after AO, he won't be gaining any ground until after RG, since he has a massive amount of points to defend. There is strong likely hood that going into the second half of the season, he would regularly have to go through potentially a much tougher draw, if its is Federer, Murray, Djokovic in any order.

joeri888 · Dec 28, 2012

Can Nadal actually be the number 5 at AO? If his 90 Doha points drop off for instance? And Ferrer plays Sydney as well, or is the draw made before Sydney's finished?

6-1 6-3 6-0 · Dec 28, 2012

Funny how Talk Tennis members want Nadal to be ranked #5 so badly. Even funnier when they realise it makes no difference as Nadal STILL racks up the slams.

merwy · Dec 28, 2012

joeri888 said:
Can Nadal actually be the number 5 at AO? If his 90 Doha points drop off for instance? And Ferrer plays Sydney as well, or is the draw made before Sydney's finished?

I hope this happens. We could see Djokovic-Nadal in the quarterfinals, for example. It would make for an interesting tournament.

The_Order · Dec 28, 2012

LOL and if Nadal beats all 3 of them in this year's AO in a row will the ****s finally stfu?

sdont · Dec 28, 2012

joeri888 said:
Can Nadal actually be the number 5 at AO? If his 90 Doha points drop off for instance? And Ferrer plays Sydney as well, or is the draw made before Sydney's finished?

Nope. Ferrer's ranking points total cannot change before the AO.

OTOH, Nadal could widen the gap by improving his result in Doha.

Clarky21 · Dec 28, 2012

sdont said:
Nope. Ferrer's ranking points total cannot change before the AO.

OTOH, Nadal could widen the gap by improving his result in Doha.

Nadal is out of Doha. At least that's what I heard this morning.

BrooklynNY · Dec 28, 2012

Nadal is out of the Australian.

Hello new world #4 David Ferrer

Cup8489 · Dec 28, 2012

6-1 6-3 6-0 said:
Funny how Talk Tennis members want Nadal to be ranked #5 so badly. Even funnier when they realise it makes no difference as Nadal STILL racks up the slams.

You're right. He's won 2 of the last 8. Really rackin those slams up.

Not.

Cup8489 · Dec 28, 2012

The_Order said:
LOL and if Nadal beats all 3 of them in this year's AO in a row will the ****s finally stfu?

Nadal won't be beating all 3. Or any 3.

dunlop_fort_knox · Dec 28, 2012

Virginia said:
Current ranking points:

Nadal 6690
Ferrer 6505

If Nadal doesn't watch out, Ferrer will be the new No 4.

You heard it here first.

now this took some brainpower.

Steve0904 · Dec 28, 2012

zagor said:
Taking out someone no problem is beating him 7-6 6-1 6-1 or 6-4 6-3 6-3, Fed can still push Nadal (and thus tire him out) and Murray has improved since 2011 so yes if Nadal gets to #5 beating Fed and Murray back-to-back with Novak waiting in the final would be a tough scenario for him off clay.

Sure Nadal beat 3 times in a row but that was on clay, whenever Nadal returns he'll still be the big favourite against anyone on clay, that won't change anytime soon but it doesn't make him a favourite against Novak in AO, USO or even Wimbledon (even though he's a better grasscourter overall).

Regarding 2012 AO, I could just as easily say that Novak should have wrapped up that match in 4 sets.

I see what you did there. Well played.

Virginia · Dec 28, 2012

dunlop_fort_knox said:
now this took some brainpower.

Brain power is in short supply around here - so when in Rome.......

In all fairness, when I posted this thread, there weren't any that had anything about Nadal/Ferrer in the title. I don't read every frigging post on the board you know.

I play tennis, rather than post endlessly about it.

dunlop_fort_knox · Dec 28, 2012

Virginia said:
Brain power is in short supply around here - so when in Rome.......

In all fairness, when I posted this thread, there weren't any that had anything about Nadal/Ferrer in the title. I don't read every frigging post on the board you know.

I play tennis, rather than post endlessly about it.

. Nadal has not played since last spring and his missing his second grand slam in a row. it's pretty clear he is going to fall down the rankings. cheers.

BeHappy · Dec 28, 2012

I hope Nadal can return. The Murray Djoker match up is so boring.

tata · Dec 28, 2012

Isn't it already safe to say Ferrer will be ahead of Nadal in the rankings by the end of AO considering he will forfeit his slam final points?

Vertiz · Dec 29, 2012

Can't wait till Ferrer gets #4 this year!

dominikk1985 · Dec 29, 2012

what does ferrer have to do in the AO to overtake nadal in the ranking? is a QF enough?

vive le beau jeu ! · Dec 29, 2012

dominikk1985 said:
what does ferrer have to do in the AO to overtake nadal in the ranking? is a QF enough?

to overtake the nadal ?... nothing !

but in order to take the #5 spot, he should have to make sure berdych doesn't win the AO...

tick115 · Dec 29, 2012

Virginia said:
Current ranking points:

Nadal 6690
Ferrer 6505

If Nadal doesn't watch out, Ferrer will be the new No 4.

You heard it here first.[/QUOT

David deserves/earned the ranking

Watch out Nadal - Ferrer is right behind you!

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