Murray is on the up

batz · Jan 28, 2013

Hi Haturz,

I know you've been pulling the head off it/rubbing it sore since Murray lost to the world number 1 last night and I've enjoyed reading your opinions on the subject (why some of you aren't coaches I just don't know) but thought I might counter those opinions with some facts (and a couple of opinions of my own):

1. Murray has made final at 4 of the last 5 'big events', winning 2 of them. For comparative purposes, nobody else made 4 finals, only Nole won 2 of them.

2. Murray is officially world number 3 and de facto world number 2 (OK, the last one was an opinion - but one supported by plenty of evidence).

3. Murray is on the up.

Now I know that he's ugly, that he swears, that he has bad teeth, that his Mother is awful, that he's not in the same league as the other guys, that he's a pusher with no weapons and that he is one slam wonder who only got that one because of wind.

But none of that gets away from point 3. He's on the up and he's likely to win more slams.

That, my hateful chums, is the cold reality of the situation. You can wail and you can gnash your teeth. Won't change anything.

PS Congrats again to Nole for slam number 6 and the first open era AO threepeat. He Boss.

Fedex · Jan 28, 2013

batz said:
his Mother is awful

I blame Murray's mother for yesterday's defeat.
Murray said his mother was a hopeless cook buying ready made meals when he was young etc so Murray's feet didn't develop as strong as they should have due to malnourishment.
A valid excuse I say.

mandy01 · Jan 28, 2013

batz said:
Hi Haturz,

Hi batzy. Not a hatur butz likez the wayz you sayz itz.

I know you've been pulling the head off it/rubbing it sore since Murray lost to the world number 1 last night and I've enjoyed reading your opinions on the subject (why some of you aren't coaches I just don't know) but thought I might counter those opinions with some facts (and a couple of opinions of my own):

1. Murray has made final at 4 of the last 5 'big events', winning 2 of them. For comparative purposes, nobody else made 4 finals, only Nole won 2 of them.

2. Murray is officially world number 3 and de facto world number 2 (OK, the last one was an opinion - but one supported by plenty of evidence).

3. Murray is on the up.

Oooooooooooooooooooooh...

Now I know that he's ugly, that he swears, that he has bad teeth, that his Mother is awful, that he's not in the same league as the other guys, that he's a pusher with no weapons and that he is one slam wonder who only got that one because of wind.

But none of that gets away from point 3. He's on the up and he's likely to win more slams.

That, my hateful chums, is the cold reality of the situation. You can wail, and you can gnash your teeth. Won't change anything.

PS Congrats again to Nole for slam number 6 and the first open era AO threepeat. He Boss.

Thanks, I really enjoyed this poast.

Amen.

TennisLovaLova · Jan 28, 2013

Murray 2.0 isnt consistent enough

Fedex · Jan 28, 2013

Mandy. I hope you're not becoming a fan?
It's a cold, dark, lonely place supporting Murray.

New Era UK · Jan 28, 2013

Cheer up Batz. Haters will always be there, lurking in the shadows even if Muzza wins, they will still find some kind of excuse to make you feel bad.

Look at Djokovic for example. He was once known for quiting. Now he's fighting for every single point even in pain. Djokovic proved he can outlast anyone in slams under extreme conditions. Sadly, now they call him Lance, instead of quitter...
Haters will hate.

newyorkstadium · Jan 28, 2013

Fedex said:
Mandy. I hope you're not becoming a fan?
It's a cold, dark, lonely place supporting Murray.

It was no easier supporting henman either. Every match toyed with your emotions.

batz · Jan 28, 2013

New Era UK said:
Cheer up Batz. Haters will always be there, lurking in the shadows even if Muzza wins, they will still find some kind of excuse to make you feel bad.

Look at Djokovic for example. He was once known for quiting. Now he's fighting for every single point even in pain. Djokovic proved he can outlast anyone in slams under extreme conditions. Sadly, now they call him Lance, instead of quitter...
Haters will hate.

Hi mate - thanks for the support, but I'm cheery enough thanks. As per my post, there's a lot to be cheery about!

zagor · Jan 28, 2013

LOL, Batz laying down the law.

People can say what they want really but anyone who knows anything about the game is well aware that barring some serious career threatening injury Murray is very likely to win more slams.

Blinkism · Jan 28, 2013

Poor malnourished Murray

batz · Jan 28, 2013

Blinkism said:
Poor malnourished Murray

BLINKY! Where've you been mate? Was beginning to think you'd retired. It's been a weak Murray trolling era lately. Bawss tries hard, but bless him - he lacks your comedic talent

Nice to see you back Blink.

tennis_pro · Jan 28, 2013

Haha lol mandy that was a perfect response.

syc23 · Jan 28, 2013

batz,

Haters will always hate on Murray - it's the same in another popular site #TF as a prime example where Fed, Djoko and Delpo is worshipped and can do no wrong. Murray and Rafa are the ones who get the most flak.

It wasn't long ago when glory hunters hated on Djokovic but now that he is the no.1 player, suddenly he has taken over the mantle of golden boy of tennis. People have a short memory as they were the same guys calling Nole a 1 slam wonder/quiter not long ago.

I'm in the opinion that Murray is making progress in the right direction and even though he couldn't get it done against Nole, at least he has now beaten Federer in a slam which will give him a boost should these 2 meet again in the remaining 3 slams.

I'm positive that Murray will be in contention to win 3 out of 4 slams for the next 3/4 years.

The Bawss · Jan 28, 2013

batz said:
It's been a weak Murray trolling era lately. Bawss tries hard, but bless him - he lacks your comedic talent

I don't believe it's a particularly weak Murray-trolling era. You must have missed my genius thread on Murray's new record he set on Sunday. I honestly can't understand why that thread was closed but if you had seen it you would have revised your statement about the weak trolling era for sure.

I received word this morning from my sister saying that she had received a hate-filled e-mail from tennis warehouse (I used her e-mail address to set up my account back when I didn't expect to stick around) and although I haven't read it yet, I am willing to bet any money that it's from either you, Mainad or Fedex. While it's gratifying to see the fruits of my trolling labour, it is also worrying to remark the insecurities of some posters on this forum.

Goosehead · Jan 28, 2013

Fedex said:
Mandy. I hope you're not becoming a fan?
It's a cold, dark, lonely place supporting Murray.

no way...supporting murray is good..always things going on,

supporting murray is a universe of fun

TheF1Bob · Jan 28, 2013

Making a thread for the supposed "haturz" is just sad.

axel89 · Jan 28, 2013

nice thread batz but i dont think murray's mom is awful at all she consistentily supports murray and is a huge part of britian's tennis

ark_28 · Jan 28, 2013

Murray is playing well and certainly has a chance to add to his resume, he needs to be wary of certain players.

For example John Isner with hise huge serve and big power game can take it to anyone on a given day, Murray has beaten him in the past but the fact of the matter is Isner has taken out Federer and Djokovic, if he is hot then Murray could be in trouble and thiis could stop him in his tracks to add to his one GS title.

Frying Pan Forehand · Jan 28, 2013

murray is back to his scottish habbits, taking it up his arse

TheF1Bob · Jan 28, 2013

This is why Scottish people have no business in tennis.

8)

Sentinel · Jan 28, 2013

Murray definitely on the up. But what of Nolezy ? Is he at the same level as he was last AO.

Judging that Muurya took him to 5 last year, I expected much better this time. Has Nolay plateaued ?

So what car did you buy, batz ? Color ? Are you happy with it ?

zagor · Jan 28, 2013

Blinkism said:
Poor malnourished Murray

Do you think Murray's gonna troll you at Canada again this year?

tusharlovesrafa · Jan 28, 2013

Batz should have addressed this directly to Bawss and Co.

sdont · Jan 28, 2013

On the up indeed.

I'd say it's quite likely that he'll be the 2nd seed at RG. When was the last time that both Fed and Rafa were out of the top 2?

Fiji · Jan 28, 2013

Murray needs the egg.

Sentinel said:
Murray definitely on the up. But what of Nolezy ? Is he at the same level as he was last AO.

Judging that Muurya took him to 5 last year, I expected much better this time. Has Nolay plateaued ?

So what car did you buy, batz ? Color ? Are you happy with it ?

Djokovic looked better than at the 2012 AO but not as dominating as at the 2011 AO.

2011 3 slams
2012 1 slam
2013 2 slams?

always_crosscourt · Jan 28, 2013

The Bawss said:
I don't believe it's a particularly weak Murray-trolling era. You must have missed my genius thread on Murray's new record he set on Sunday.

Firstly, you outright admitted you do nothing but troll, thus a ban should be in order.

And secondly, have you ever noticed that it is only ever you who proclaims that any of your posts/threads are 'genius'? I think there's a message there, but I can't quite figure it out... I'll let you ponder it.

librarysteg · Jan 28, 2013

I completely agree he's on the up. If he doesn't get a slam this year, I'm sure a lot of people will consider it a sub-par year, but I'd be happy to see him win some Masters since he didn't get any last year. He's the player that makes me the most nervous as an opponent for Djokovic.

batz · Jan 28, 2013

Sentinel said:
Murray definitely on the up. But what of Nolezy ? Is he at the same level as he was last AO.

Judging that Muurya took him to 5 last year, I expected much better this time. Has Nolay plateaued ?

So what car did you buy, batz ? Color ? Are you happy with it ?

RS Focus, in white, very

I'm going back to my yoof.

Russeljones · Jan 28, 2013

batz why do you think Murray lost?

batz · Jan 28, 2013

Russeljones said:
batz why do you think Murray lost?

Because Novak was the better player on the day. That's usually why people lose.

Russeljones · Jan 28, 2013

batz said:
Because Novak was the better player on the day. That's usually why people lose.

You must have thought I was asking with an ulterior motive, hence the terse reply.

Let me put it this way, do you think he could have gone on to win it if he'd gone up 2 sets to nil? I haven't had much time to follow pressers etc. (little one's taking up all of my free time) but did Murray mention some turning point in the 2nd set?

Legend of Borg · Jan 28, 2013

Russeljones said:
batz why do you think Murray lost?

batz said:
Because Novak was the better player on the day. That's usually why people lose.

I was going to say it's because he lost 3 sets.

batz · Jan 28, 2013

Russeljones said:
You must have thought I was asking with an ulterior motive, hence the terse reply.

Let me put it this way, do you think he could have gone on to win it if he'd gone up 2 sets to nil? I haven't had much time to follow pressers etc. (little one's taking up all of my free time) but did Murray mention some turning point in the 2nd set?

Apologies for the terse response Russel - I thought you were going to be facetious.

He had Nole at 0-40 at the start of the second set and didn't break, I guess you might say that was a missed opportunity - but Nole missed 5 bp in the first set and lost it, so swings and roundabouts. Nole won the last 2 sets with relative ease.

I think that when you get right down to it, Nole is simply better on that surface. I think Murray has a slight edge on grass and there's little between them at Flushing Meadows (I don't need to mention RG).

I would obviously have loved for Murray to have won a second slam yesterday - but I'm not going to have a go at him for not doing what nobody else has managed to do in the pro era. In fact, Murray can take a crumb of comfort that he has done better than any other 1st time slam winner has done in the open era.

batz · Jan 28, 2013

Legend of Borg said:
I was going to say it's because he lost 3 sets.

That too LOB.

Russeljones · Jan 28, 2013

batz said:
Apologies for the terse response Russel - I thought you were going to be facetious.

He had Nole at 0-40 at the start of the second set and didn't break, I guess you might say that was a missed opportunity - but Nole missed 5 bp in the first set and lost it, so swings and roundabouts. Nole won the last 2 sets with relative ease.

I think that when you get right down to it, Nole is simply better on that surface. I think Murray has a slight edge on grass and there's little between them at Flushing Meadows (I don't need to mention RG).

I would obviously have loved for Murray to have won a second slam yesterday - but I'm not going to have a go at him for not doing what nobody else has managed to do in the pro era. In fact, Murray can take a crumb of comfort that he has done better than any other 1st time slam winner has done in the open era.

I see where you're coming from. I think if Murray somehow gets to a final at RG vs Novak he could have a chance, he has some clay pedigree from his junior days. At Wimbledon and the USO it's pretty certain 50/50. If anything I'd like to see him play flatter more often but we know change is difficult when you've grown confident and comfortable with one style of play.

President · Jan 28, 2013

Muurya looking good, will win Indian Wells

batz · Jan 28, 2013

Russeljones said:
I see where you're coming from. I think if Murray somehow gets to a final at RG vs Novak he could have a chance, he has some clay pedigree from his junior days. At Wimbledon and the USO it's pretty certain 50/50. If anything I'd like to see him play flatter more often but we know change is difficult when you've grown confident and comfortable with one style of play.

Lendl has him playing much more aggressively in practise, Says that you must practise the gamestyle that you want to play in matches. I think Lendl is pretty happy with where he's taken Murray so far but knows there's still a long way to go.

I may just be being a biased Murray fan, but I do think he's still got quite a bit of scope for improvement, whereas I'm not sure that Nole has a whole bunch of things that he can improve on, he's just about as good as he's going to be (which is amazingly good).

Whether Murray can make those improvements and find a way to topple Nole, Rafa , Roger and the rest on a more regular basis remains to be seen - but the scope is there IMO.

batz · Jan 28, 2013

President said:
Muurya looking good, will win Indian Wells

Spookily, IW is the only one of the 4 North American hardcourt MS events that Murray hasn't won.

The really funny thing is that the reason he hasn't done so well is that he finds it difficult to control the ball in the windy conditions there! :shock:

kragster · Jan 28, 2013

Murray will amount to nothing more than a multiple one slam wonder. My guess is he will be a one slam wonder 5-6 more times.

The fact is that is Murray is 0-5 in slam finals that he has lost. Also you have to factor in that despite the height advantage, Murray is nowhere close to where he should be. Let's take 2 players of similar talent levels, Ferrer and Federer. So one can say that 3 inches in height difference = 17 -0 slams. Which means if Murray is 2 inches taller than Fed, he should end his career at least at 17 slams + (2/3)*17= 28 slams. So he is a woeful underachiever.

batz · Jan 28, 2013

kragster said:
Murray will amount to nothing more than a multiple one slam wonder. My guess is he will be a one slam wonder 5-6 more times.

The fact is that is Murray is 0-5 in slam finals that he has lost. Also you have to factor in that despite the height advantage, Murray is nowhere close to where he should be. Let's take 2 players of similar talent levels, Ferrer and Federer. So one can say that 3 inches in height difference = 17 -0 slams. Which means if Murray is 2 inches taller than Fed, he should end his career at least at 17 slams + (2/3)*17= 28 slams. So he is a woeful underachiever.

GOAT poast

That logic is undeniable.

6-1 6-3 6-0 · Jan 28, 2013

I think if Nadal had entered the tournament, and the final would have been Nadal vs Murray, the final would have been far more interesting, and Nadal would have tied the Sampras-Agassi h2h (vs Djokovic) with a commanding 20-14 lead.

xan · Jan 28, 2013

is that the infinite sign in your avatar?
to mark all the stupid things you post infinite times over and over again?

3fees · Jan 28, 2013

Murray is on the up No 2 bound, he outplayed Nole in the first set and then ran out of gas, credit to Nole for running him out of gas.

syc23 · Jan 28, 2013

kragster said:
Murray will amount to nothing more than a multiple one slam wonder. My guess is he will be a one slam wonder 5-6 more times.

The fact is that is Murray is 0-5 in slam finals that he has lost. Also you have to factor in that despite the height advantage, Murray is nowhere close to where he should be. Let's take 2 players of similar talent levels, Ferrer and Federer. So one can say that 3 inches in height difference = 17 -0 slams. Which means if Murray is 2 inches taller than Fed, he should end his career at least at 17 slams + (2/3)*17= 28 slams. So he is a woeful underachiever.

What brilliant logic.

You need a brain transplant and enrol back to school.

You're having a laugh comparing Ferrer with Federer on talent levels... height does not equate to having more talent. The reason why Ferrer can't collect a slam was laid out for the world to see against Nole in their AO SF. He is a fighter for sure but lacks that extra weapon(s) that the top 4 possess.

All I'll add to this is that the tennis landscape can change very quickly. When Rafa completed the career slam, we all thought it was going to be a lock for Rafa to win 20+ slams. So what happened there?

It's not inconceivable that Murray will play anyone other than Fed/Rafa/Nole in future GS finals, if he does I'm sure he'll win his fair share. People are giving Delpo all the time in the world and argue he has a 100% slam final conversion, yet he hasn't come any where near to the form he showed in USO '09 and why isn't he getting pilloried for failing to play to his seeding in every slam since 2009?

As long as Murray is getting more opportunities in finals, sooner rather than later, he'll start to convert more into wins. Heck it only took Nole 3 years after his maiden slam win to add another AO title.

tusharlovesrafa · Jan 28, 2013

I honestly think murray fans are the best fans in ttw.I haven't seen the likes of murray_slam_king and varies aliases trolling the forum.

kragster · Jan 28, 2013

syc23 said:
What brilliant logic.

You need a brain transplant and enrol back to school.

You're having a laugh comparing Ferrer with Federer on talent levels... height does not equate to having more talent. The reason why Ferrer can't collect a slam was laid out for the world to see against Nole in their AO SF. He is a fighter for sure but lacks that extra weapon(s) that the top 4 possess.

All I'll add to this is that the tennis landscape can change very quickly. When Rafa completed the career slam, we all thought it was going to be a lock for Rafa to win 20+ slams. So what happened there?

It's not inconceivable that Murray will play anyone other than Fed/Rafa/Nole in future GS finals, if he does I'm sure he'll win his fair share. People are giving Delpo all the time in the world and argue he has a 100% slam final conversion, yet he hasn't come any where near to the form he showed in USO '09 and why isn't he getting pilloried for failing to play to his seeding in every slam since 2009?

As long as Murray is getting more opportunities in finals, sooner rather than later, he'll start to convert more into wins. Heck it only took Nole 3 years after his maiden slam win to add another AO title.

My friend, please enroll in your nearest Sarcasm Detection 101 class.

Mike Sams · Jan 28, 2013

3fees said:
Murray is on the up No 2 bound, he outplayed Nole in the first set and then ran out of gas, credit to Nole for running him out of gas.

How can you win Slams if you run out of gas after only 2 sets? :?
Is Murray really in shape? Or is his mission only to beat Federer and anything else is a plus? :lol:

batz · Jan 28, 2013

syc23 said:
What brilliant logic.

You need a brain transplant and enrol back to school.

You're having a laugh comparing Ferrer with Federer on talent levels... height does not equate to having more talent. The reason why Ferrer can't collect a slam was laid out for the world to see against Nole in their AO SF. He is a fighter for sure but lacks that extra weapon(s) that the top 4 possess.

All I'll add to this is that the tennis landscape can change very quickly. When Rafa completed the career slam, we all thought it was going to be a lock for Rafa to win 20+ slams. So what happened there?

It's not inconceivable that Murray will play anyone other than Fed/Rafa/Nole in future GS finals, if he does I'm sure he'll win his fair share. People are giving Delpo all the time in the world and argue he has a 100% slam final conversion, yet he hasn't come any where near to the form he showed in USO '09 and why isn't he getting pilloried for failing to play to his seeding in every slam since 2009?

As long as Murray is getting more opportunities in finals, sooner rather than later, he'll start to convert more into wins. Heck it only took Nole 3 years after his maiden slam win to add another AO title.

Woah buddy - he was joking.

W.P. Mayhew · Jan 28, 2013

batz said:
Woah buddy - he was joking.

"My guess is he will be a one slam wonder 5-6 more times." is a great line.

6-1 6-3 6-0 · Jan 28, 2013

xan said:
is that the infinite sign in your avatar?
to mark all the stupid things you post infinite times over and over again?

No, it's an eight. Since when is the infinity sign shown on its side? Why would I show it like that? Talk Tennis, the most paranoid forum in internet history.

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