these polls options are always too specific. I never fit into any of the options. I've used kevlar in the past.. never had any problems with it, but found it more economic to buy a cheap poly by the reel. Where's that option?
If you don't fall into any of the majors categories then don't vote :|
that doesn't make any sense. making a poll about kevlar that excludes people that have used kevlar defeats the purpose of creating a poll about kevlar. and those arn't "major categories".. they are just arbitrary scenarios that you could fathom. maybe ive just had too many beers and am being anal.
Please vote on your experience with Kevlar string :twisted:
Totally anonymous poll so nobody gets hassled
Never liked stringing it. It doesn't stretch with my alpha pioneer dc plus. Had to retention when the bar doesn't do down. It plays fine when playing around 45ibs.
Regardless of your stringer ^^
First of all poly doesn't stretch either !!
I can't believe all the closed minded prejudice.....I didn't want to derail my thread and post everything from there over here . Can you just go over there and read it.....you will see its a completely different idea and backed with data....just read it and then make your judgement.
Even a murderer is innocent until proven guilty....can you just please read it before making a judgement?
It's simple ....just go here and click on it....go to todays page :
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=478625&page=12
that doesn't make any sense. making a poll about kevlar that excludes people that have used kevlar defeats the purpose of creating a poll about kevlar. and those arn't "major categories".. they are just arbitrary scenarios that you could fathom. maybe ive just had too many beers and am being anal.
Bud,
This was a childish move .You made a poll about kevlar to somehow prove that my idea about mixing gut with Kevlar and having the tensions different by 10 pounds is a bad idea.
But this poll is simply a Kevlar poll and has zero to do with my idea.
First of all poly doesn't stretch either !!
I can't believe all the closed minded prejudice.....I didn't want to derail my thread and post everything from there over here
Every poly I've ever strung did not stretch at all on my drop weight stringer. I'd drop the weight and it wouldn't even budge a single centimeter. The weight would just sit there in an almost vertical position. Compare that to multis or syn guts where they would stretch so much that the weight would drop to the horizontal position or even past the horizontal position so that I would have to rachet the weight once or even twice.
Anybody use Ashaway Kevlar + Plus? There is only one negative review on the TW customer review page. It is supposed to be softer with PTFE fibers mixed in. Only available in reels.
My experience is that every string stretches. Even Kevlar and Poly stretch, just less than most strings.
Not on my drop weight stringer. The drop weight doesn't even budge a single millimeter when I string poly. That's means the poly string didn't stretch at all. That's why I'm not surprised that poly kills my arm.My experience is that every string stretches. Even Kevlar and Poly stretch, just less than most strings.
I raise the drop weight to around 60 degrees from horizontal, like I do when I string any type of string. But when I let go, the drop weight does not move whatsoever. It stays exactly at the 60 degree angle that I raised it to. It doesn't fall and then stop because it doesn't start falling at all. The poly doesn't stretch whatsoever. With other types of strings (e.g., multis, syn guts, etc.), when I let go of the drop weight, it will fall from its initial 60 degrees to at least 0 degrees (horizontal). If it's a very resilient string, it will fall past horizontal (negative degrees) so that I have to rachet the weight once or maybe twice. This has been my experience stringing at least 10 different polys. The tension doesn't seem to matter, but I usually string in the mid-40's to mid-50's.So, let me get this straight. When you let the weight drop, it falls and immediately stops moving (like Kevlar)? No lifting the bar? If I'm hearing you correctly, you're the first person (beside TDK) I've heard state poly has zero stretch.
What tension are you stringing it at? If you string a 1st gen poly at 40# or less, IME it stretches little - but still stretches.
I've strung some polys, like Iso Baseline Spin (the smallest diameter) - that stretch so much the DW bar has to be readjusted 3-4 times. This is at about 50# of tension.
First of all poly doesn't stretch either !!
Every poly I've ever strung did not stretch at all on my drop weight stringer. I'd drop the weight and it wouldn't even budge a single centimeter. The weight would just sit there in an almost vertical position.
I tried kevlar but it didn't put anything special on the ball so I stopped using it - I didn't fall under any of the voting choices.
lol. Poly does stretch.
And I'm starting to think that BP has never strung poly because the drop weight bar definitely does move, sometimes quite a bit and for a lot longer than most ppl think. Stick a bubble level on the tensioning arm, tension a somewhat firm string like TB or Proline X at 50lbs and time it until the bubble stops moving for 10secs - those who haven't tried it will probably be surprised to see how long it continues to slowly stretch.
The bottom line is that poly feels like crap after just one match.
It's not meant to be played longer than that and never was. So if your not cutting your strings out after a match then you are playing with crappy unpredictable poly strings.
Haha. I just avoid the polys that die quickly and use better poly.
I raise the drop weight to around 60 degrees from horizontal, like I do when I string any type of string. But when I let go, the drop weight does not move whatsoever. It stays exactly at the 60 degree angle that I raised it to. It doesn't fall and then stop because it doesn't start falling at all. The poly doesn't stretch whatsoever. With other types of strings (e.g., multis, syn guts, etc.), when I let go of the drop weight, it will fall from its initial 60 degrees to at least 0 degrees (horizontal). If it's a very resilient string, it will fall past horizontal (negative degrees) so that I have to rachet the weight once or maybe twice. This has been my experience stringing at least 10 different polys. The tension doesn't seem to matter, but I usually string in the mid-40's to mid-50's.
Exactly, there are enough poly's which will last longer.
It's so funny to see that litterally all posts from TDK are based on complete ignorance. Two examples in this thread: Poly doesn't stretch and all poly's die after one match, ROFLMAO.......
Not on my drop weight stringer. The drop weight doesn't even budge a single millimeter when I string poly. That's means the poly string didn't stretch at all. That's why I'm not surprised that poly kills my arm.
Kevlar makes poly feel like 18 gauge uncoated natural gut.
Exactly, he probably played with a few old poly's in his young life, tecnifibre razor code stays fresh for a long time for example.
You should try new poly's TDK, you've got more than enough time now while you're banned, guess you didn't take your chill pill after all :twisted:
And if you're happy with your Kevlar gut hybrid, good for you, but you're one of the few.
Oh and btw, your Kevlar/gut combi is soooooo old, you really think you reinvented this combi? LOLLLLLLL
Hey Rabbit...
You know I respect you a lot from the Wilson 99s threads. You seriously know your stuff.
So I'm going to ask you for an honest answer.....after playing two or three matches how does poly feel to you?
I think it's absolutely terrible. You can't rely on it after a few hours.....it plays differently every week.....loses tension and is just absolutely the worst in my opinion after a short time.
Dont get me wong.....I LOVE poly.....and nothing is better for one match.....it's after that where is starts to suck beyond belief.
A full bed of Kevlar is insane ......but people don't follow the instructions on the packaging when stringing,,,,....which is that you should hybrid it and the cross strings should be 10 pounds tighter than the Kevlar mains.
I also find that string with a gut hybrid instead of noon like everyone else does makes a WORLD of difference.
Personally, it all depends on the poly.
I could play BHB7 until it broke. The problem was, it broke in 3/4 sets.
Luxilon 4G played great, but only after it had been in for a while. Brand new, it was fairly harsh feeling. Now it was playable until it broke and it did last. After it broke in, harsh went to plush. The BIG downside is it is expensive, and being half Scot, I just didn't see paying that much for it when there were cheaper alternatives out there!
My current string, Prince Tournament Poly with Prince Synthetic Gut crosses, lasts about two weeks. Then it should probably be cut out. The great news is that it's super cheap, a newly strung set feels like heaven (even at 58
lbs ), it feels great around net, and it pockets like crazy. It's definitely not harsh.
So, unfortunately there is no right answer. Poly strings have become much, much more diversified over the last 5 or so years. Where once they all felt like crap but provided unbelievable control, now some actually feel pretty good and retain the "good" characteristics. A former D1 player I string for loves (any) Luxilon in the mains + synthetic gut in the crosses. Now that I've tried it, there may be something to that combination.
There is one constant for me though: NO kevlar has ever been arm friendly.
WHOOSH.Rabbit
Look at what your saying.....even the strings you mention by your own judgement dont work.
One is to harsh when it's first put in and , the other breaks , the other tension drops....etc etc. It's just not constant or reliable for any significant period of time.
Again I love poly when I first put it in ....NO QUESTION !!!
But it's the maintenance over time that's my issue .
With Kevlar you get almost the same amount of spin as a fresh set of poly but the maintenance is unbelievable....second only to gut.
Kevlar does not break and it stays fresh.
I think the bad rep kevlar has gotten is due to the fact that most people strung it incorrect .
Have you ever tried doing the mains in kevlar at a low tension with gut or a multi ( not nylon....aka synthetic gut )? Also have you strung the kevlar mains 10 pounds lower than the crosses as the packaging suggests?
If you have not tried it then I implore you to try it once . This set up has gotten great reviews not only in performance but comfort .
I make no claims about elbow pain. .....but it doesn't bother me personally at all.
Rabbit
Look at what your saying.....even the strings you mention by your own judgement dont work.
One is to harsh when it's first put in and , the other breaks , the other tension drops....etc etc. It's just not constant or reliable for any significant period of time.
Again I love poly when I first put it in ....NO QUESTION !!!
But it's the maintenance over time that's my issue .
With Kevlar you get almost the same amount of spin as a fresh set of poly but the maintenance is unbelievable....second only to gut.
Kevlar does not break and it stays fresh.
I think the bad rep kevlar has gotten is due to the fact that most people strung it incorrect .
Have you ever tried doing the mains in kevlar at a low tension with gut or a multi ( not nylon....aka synthetic gut )? Also have you strung the kevlar mains 10 pounds lower than the crosses as the packaging suggests?
If you have not tried it then I implore you to try it once . This set up has gotten great reviews not only in performance but comfort .
I make no claims about elbow pain. .....but it doesn't bother me personally at all.
All poly becomes crap in a short time..some quicker than others but they all become crap very quickly.
Look this is not my idea....it's all over the net.....master stringers say the same.
Poly is meant for the pros for one match ..often one set and that's it!!
It's a great string does everything well......but it's just unbelievable crap after a week or two....usually less.
A Kevlar hybrid with gut with a 10 pound differential ( this is key) feels great and lasts and lasts and lasts.
Every poly I've ever strung did not stretch at all on my drop weight stringer. I'd drop the weight and it wouldn't even budge a single centimeter. The weight would just sit there in an almost vertical position. Compare that to multis or syn guts where they would stretch so much that the weight would drop to the horizontal position or even past the horizontal position so that I would have to rachet the weight once or even twice.
That's exactly your problem, you only repeat what you see on the internet. Nothing is based on your own experience.
Kevlar destroys my arm, so this is why I will never use it again. This applies to many people. It's also not suited for flat hitters
second, I have played with a lot of poly's, the tecnifibre razor code is still going strong now after 12 hours in my Pure Drive GT. I probably restring it now because I want to test other strings, I've got my own stringing machine so I don't bother playing longer than that anyway.
Both Yonex Polytour Pro and Spin give me 12 hours of excellent playability (all crossed with bablolat n.vy). After this the cross string usually snaps.
Yesterday I've played with a full bed Luxilon BB original, still going strong now after 12 hours in my Prince Graphite 93 mid, I still couldn't miss, probably my best practice session ever.
I'm a hard hitter with moderate topspin, a chronic string breaker. I'm a 3.0 player in Europe, I don't know how this level translates into USTA ratings, but 1.0 is the highest where I come from.
So now maybe your understand why most people don't agree with you. So again, have fun with your kevlar/gut combi, but what works fine for you does not have to work well for others.
People who own their own stringing machine, don't even need their strings to last very long. And believe me, many people on this forum do have their own machine, so for that reason alone it's better for you to put your propaganda elsewhere. And while you're at it, take your Nadal propaganda with you. Thanks in advance.
But you know everybody and you know what's best for them. Uh huh.First of all you don't know me.
My experience with this setup is validated by Andre Agassi himself who used this set up and many posters here at TW who loved it.
As far as elbow issues I have no comment as I am
Not a doctor . All I can say is the way I set it up and Agassis and Traveljam and many others works for us.
The Dark Knight said:Remember Christopher Columbus said the world was round . No one believed him either until he went out and proved it. If you don't at least try the specific set up that has been put forward then you really don't have a right to comment on what it's like .
No, they work fine. I probably wasn't clear. I don't have a problem with poly dying or whatever after one set, or one match, or too soon.
I can and do use poly either straight up or in a hybrid. I like it very much and like the results even better.
OK, let's not take my comments as absolutes. My criticisms of the strings was not intended as a damnation of the product. I was merely pointing out downsides. The strings I mentioned are all VASTLY preferable to kevlar, IME and IMO.
Maybe I should have phrased it like this: in comparison to PTP/PSG which I use now, 4G is harsh, and BT7 breaks too quickly. However, again, they are all preferable to any kevlar string bed.
Define "over time". Also, what is your NTRP level? And please keep in mind that the overwhelming majority of touring professionals who use poly do not cut it out after one set. There are two former ATP pros at the club I belong to. Both use poly and use it until it breaks. I point this out only because it's easy, trust me, to hear things that Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, or another top pro does that you subconsciously adopt as imperatives in your own game, true or not.
And, unknown to the user, the damage to your arm is ongoing.
Well, when I used kevlar, it was strung for me by more than me. And it got a bad rep from me regardless. Several friends of mine and others I've talked to who tried kevlar will never try it again. In my book, that's more than a coincidence.
Sorry, the only use I see for kevlar at this point is bullet proof vests, not tennis strings. I think its primary use says very well how arm friendly it is. And, I'm very happy with PTP/PSG right now.
I've had multiple cortisone shots in various locations in my left arm and don't ever care to have any more. Thanks, kevlar...
For now....
You mention Agassi. There are a couple of things to keep in mind. Agassi did use kevlar, but he's probably not someone you want to cite as an example. First, his tension was 68 pounds. Now that was in an oversize, but still way higher than you would ever want to string. This is a perfect segue to my second point, Agassi had (has) the best timing on ground strokes of any pro that has ever picked up a racquet save for Jimmy Connors. Point is, Agassi didn't mishit, didn't have to correct his swing, didn't have hitches, well hell.....he wasn't a hacker. Agassi has perfect timing and strokes. Agassi used kevlar for one reason and one reason only: he broke everything else.
Actually, the idea of a round world came from the ancient Greeks. And Columbus didn't set out to prove the earth was round, he set out to find a shortcut to the Orient.