Updated Hitting Video

JackB1 · Apr 1, 2014

tlm said:
Nice hitting bob it is funny how similar we play, almost a carbon copy. I would love to hit with you, that would be a long drawn out match with a lot of running.

Its funny that you see yourself as a carbon copy of Bob. You guys aren't really close.
He moves his feet. He hits with his body. His strokes are much more technically sound.
He shows the ability to hit all types of shots. I'm sorry but the reason people are being so harsh with you is probably because your claims here in no way match your videos.

tlm · Apr 1, 2014

JackB1 said:
Hey you are the one who claimed to win over 50% of your matches in a 4.5 league.
Then you posted video that contradicts your claims.

I have never claimed to be anything I am not. I play in several leagues at both 3.5 and 4.0.
Me and my doubles partner just went to semi finals in a -4.0 league. Last season I made playoffs in a 4.0 singles league. I can win over 50% at 3.5 and about 25% at 4.0. I can prove any of this.

I didn't make any false claims I have played in a summer league for the last 3 years. The first year I played in what was supposed to be a 4.0 league and went undefeated, this league was more like a 3.5 USTA league.

So I went up to the 4.5 level and still had a winning record. Then tried the 5.0 league and did not win a match. So the guy running the league took the better 4.5 players and made a 4.75 level and I was 1 game over 500 in the 4.75 level.

I have played in USTA flex leagues and had winning records also I will look to see if the records are still there that was a couple of years ago. But I would still like to see you post some video of your strokes and see how they look. Whats wrong don't want to show any?

tlm · Apr 1, 2014

JackB1 said:
Its funny that you see yourself as a carbon copy of Bob. You guys aren't really close.
He moves his feet. He hits with his body. His strokes are much more technically sound.
He shows the ability to hit all types of shots. I'm sorry but the reason people are being so harsh with you is probably because your claims here in no way match your videos.

Think whatever you want, but waiting for your videos.

Cheetah · Apr 1, 2014

tlm said:
Ya its easy to get in the habit of arming the ball to much. By the way are you and sureshs going to do some filming this weekend?

I'm meeting Yaz this wkend, not suresh. If Yaz wants to be filmed then yes, if i can figure out where to place the camera. Going to go out tomorrow and scout the court.

Power Player · Apr 1, 2014

Tlm you need to stop man. Ballin bob is 30 years younger than you..it would be 1 and 1 most likely. This is getting comical. His technique and speed is much better. Plus we dont really know what your serve is. Its all groundstrokes.

The smart and talented old guys take looping topspin on the rise and slice it back, which is tougher to deal with then loopers. So i believe Leed when he says he has seen those balls.

I hit with a 4.0 who hits the same balls as you. The balls dont bother me too much. What he has going for him is high athleticism and speed. That gives people more trouble then his loopers.

That would be a match i would love to see though. Tlm vs leed

Sureshs has money and free time. He needs to go play leed and film it..maybe do like a youtube interview of some kind as well.

fruitytennis1 · Apr 1, 2014

JackB1 said:
Its funny that you see yourself as a carbon copy of Bob. You guys aren't really close.
He moves his feet. He hits with his body. His strokes are much more technically sound.
He shows the ability to hit all types of shots. I'm sorry but the reason people are being so harsh with you is probably because your claims here in no way match your videos.

^pretty much true^

tlm said:
I didn't make any false claims I have played in a summer league for the last 3 years. The first year I played in what was supposed to be a 4.0 league and went undefeated, this league was more like a 3.5 USTA league.

So I went up to the 4.5 level and still had a winning record. Then tried the 5.0 league and did not win a match. So the guy running the league took the better 4.5 players and made a 4.75 level and I was 1 game over 500 in the 4.75 level.

I have played in USTA flex leagues and had winning records also I will look to see if the records are still there that was a couple of years ago. But I would still like to see you post some video of your strokes and see how they look. Whats wrong don't want to show any?

In a legit USTA league i think you'd find yourself .500 or maybe a bit below at 4.0. Just being honest.

tlm · Apr 1, 2014

fruitytennis1 said:
You make tennis look really really hard.
First step-humble yourself. Realize you aren't an amazing player, but you aren't a bad player either.
Relax and close your stance.
You definitely take "low to high" way too much to heart
I would advise a slightly less extreme grip and think more through the ball.
I should also add relax
oh, and relax
relax

Believe me I know I am by no way an amazing player just a solid hacker. But I would like to see video from the critics thats all, like the old saying goes don't tell me show me.

Ya you are right definitely need to relax and quit muscling the shots.

Maximagq · Apr 1, 2014

Grinding is good but an actual match scenario is the best thing to record. I personally am actually a grinder when I play competitive matches and it works extremely well. Kick serves high to the backhand, hit every groundstroke heavy and cross court with a ton of margin over the net. Extremely safe tennis and you can use angles to run your opponent off the court.

mightyrick · Apr 2, 2014

asimple said:
Why do you think you are a strong 4.0?

Is it based on league results or similar. I'm not saying you're not as much as I am curious as many of the 4.0s that I know believe they are strong 4.0s.

Interesting observation. I don't think I've heard anybody outside of myself say they are a "low" anything. I'm a low 4.0.

A lot of the talk in this thread is definitely starting to sound like Uncle Rico from Napoleon Dynamite claiming he can still throw a football a quarter of a mile.

tlm · Apr 2, 2014

JackB1 said:
Like I said before, prove any of this and I'll believe you. All u do is try and deflect by asking others to post videos.

Okay well here is the last USTA singles league I played in.

Individual Player Record
4/2/2014
Player Name:
Timothy Mullady
Match Date
Match Result
Match Status
Winning Score
Winning Player Name
Winning Player Partner
Name
Opponent Player Name
Opponent Player Partner
Name
Match #
Men's Singles 4.0
Flex League:
Division:
NTRP Level:
Play Dates:
Metro Area:
State:
Year:
-
Flight :
Adult Men's Singles
2012
2012 Chicago South Suburbs Fall Flex League
Chicago - South Suburbs
IL
10/05/2012
12/09/2012
4.00
1
10/13/2012
Timothy Mullady
Marco Loureiro
6-2,6-1
Completed
Played
2
10/20/2012
Timothy Mullady
venu piska
6-2,6-1
Completed
Played
3
10/25/2012
Timothy Mullady
Vernon Readus
6-0,6-1
Completed
Played
4
11/02/2012
Timothy Mullady
Walter Pong
6-2,6-2
Completed
Played
5
11/07/2012
Timothy Mullady
RAY WILLIAMS
6-2,7-5
Completed
Played
6
11/16/2012
Timothy Mullady
Alvaro Alvarez
6-3,6-1
Completed
Played
7
11/30/2012
Timothy Mullady
Vishesh Singh
6-3,6-0
Completed
Played
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4/2/2014
8:13:39AM

tlm · Apr 2, 2014

Power Player said:
Tlm you need to stop man. Ballin bob is 30 years younger than you..it would be 1 and 1 most likely. This is getting comical. His technique and speed is much better. Plus we dont really know what your serve is. Its all groundstrokes.

The smart and talented old guys take looping topspin on the rise and slice it back, which is tougher to deal with then loopers. So i believe Leed when he says he has seen those balls.

I hit with a 4.0 who hits the same balls as you. The balls dont bother me too much. What he has going for him is high athleticism and speed. That gives people more trouble then his loopers.

That would be a match i would love to see though. Tlm vs leed

Sureshs has money and free time. He needs to go play leed and film it..maybe do like a youtube interview of some kind as well.

Okay know it all here is the last USTA league 4.0 that I played in with my results. Now balling bob says that he is a solid 4.0 player which I have no doubt he is. But I know that I could hang right with him no matter what you think, not saying I would beat him. But would bet you good money that he would not beat me 1 and 1.

What is comical is your judgement on ability. If you think Leed would have a chance against me you have no clue. By the way almost every guy in this league was at least 15 years younger than I am.

Individual Player Record
4/2/2014
Player Name:
Timothy Mullady
Match Date
Match Result
Match Status
Winning Score
Winning Player Name
Winning Player Partner
Name
Opponent Player Name
Opponent Player Partner
Name
Match #
Men's Singles 4.0
Flex League:
Division:
NTRP Level:
Play Dates:
Metro Area:
State:
Year:
-
Flight :
Adult Men's Singles
2012
2012 Chicago South Suburbs Fall Flex League
Chicago - South Suburbs
IL
10/05/2012
12/09/2012
4.00
1
10/13/2012
Timothy Mullady
Marco Loureiro
6-2,6-1
Completed
Played
2
10/20/2012
Timothy Mullady
venu piska
6-2,6-1
Completed
Played
3
10/25/2012
Timothy Mullady
Vernon Readus
6-0,6-1
Completed
Played
4
11/02/2012
Timothy Mullady
Walter Pong
6-2,6-2
Completed
Played
5
11/07/2012
Timothy Mullady
RAY WILLIAMS
6-2,7-5
Completed
Played
6
11/16/2012
Timothy Mullady
Alvaro Alvarez
6-3,6-1
Completed
Played
7
11/30/2012
Timothy Mullady
Vishesh Singh
6-3,6-0
Completed
Played
Page 1 of 1
4/2/2014
8:13:39AM

Power Player · Apr 2, 2014

Well I was definitely correct in my first post - this is just about being defensive and not about getting better at all.

FYI - TennisLink only shows you as playing 3 4.0 level matches and they were all with your wife.

JackB1 · Apr 2, 2014

tlm said:
Okay well here is the last USTA singles league I played in.

Individual Player Record
4/2/2014
Player Name:
Timothy Mullady
Match Date
Match Result
Match Status

Not sure what all this stuff you posted is, but if you search your name on USTA, it says the only leagues you played in were "55 and over mixed 8.0" in 2013 and "7.0 55 and over mixed" in 2010.

The web page also has you individually as a 3.5. It also says you played line #3.

So once again, you are misrepresenting yourself badly. I would just give it up if I were you. You are digging yourself a deeper hole.

Mixed Doubles at 55 & over, is hardly a true representation of one's tennis level. I play on a regular mixed team at a much higher level than what I play mixed men's at. That is because there aren't enough women
to go around to fill up these mixed leagues, so the overall level gets dragged down. And that is here in tennis rich Atlanta. I would imagine in Bourbonaise, IL, it's quite more diluted.

Power Player · Apr 2, 2014

I just don't get why people post vids and then sit and defend their games. Just take the advice and move on. I personally pay a coach for advice so I don't really look for too much online instruction.

But this guy posts vids, we point out his technique issues and he gets all upset about it. It's silly.

Let's just look at technique and nothing else since LeeD isn't going to play tom nor is Bob.

If you just look at technique, fitness and movement, Bob is the better player by a fair margin.

If you want to argue why this is not the case, there is probably a debate forum somewhere that would be more worthwhile.

asimple · Apr 2, 2014

mightyrick said:
Interesting observation. I don't think I've heard anybody outside of myself say they are a "low" anything. I'm a low 4.0.

Yes, it was funny to hear everyone say I am a strong 4.0/low 4.5. The skill differences between the people seemed to be huge but they all believed. They always had a reason to believe they were in that range which was not necessarily dependent on results. They somehow only considered the wins in their internal assessment.

Power Player · Apr 2, 2014

JackB1 said:
But that's not only it. He brags about how difficult his shots are to deal with and he lies about his rating levels. He is dillusional about his own abilities and everyone else says so, but he still won't admit any false claims.

Nothing else worth discussing here....time to move on. Tlm, you aren't a bad player. Honestly, if I had to guess, I would say low 3.5 if you played men's singles. And there is nothing at all wrong with that. We all have people that are better than us and worse than us. That's the beauty of tennis....just find your level and be competitive and all is good. But you come on here and make wild claims and your videos completely contradict what you say and then you get all defensive when anyone calls you out on it. Cmon man.

Thats just lack of experience. I play an older guy who rated USTA 5.0 when he played singles for the league. His hands are incredible. I could hit heavy topspin at this guy and he can just take that spin and pace on the rise and chop it down and back. So I learned that the high bouncing ball can torture some players, but once you start to play at a higher level, everyone knows how to deal with it and you need to hit through the court more in order to keep those balls hard to attack.

I can see how he could play 4.0 tennis with those shots if his movement was better. The problem is that his movement is not good enough. To really benefit from that style of tennis you have to be fast and cover the court.

From what I see, he can hit deep balls, but not every time. So its simply just a matter of giving him one back and waiting for the ball you can jump on and pound to the opposite corner.

Anyway, this is pointless because he doesn't want to get better. He wants us all to tell him how good the strokes are instead of being real about it. I was trained to deal with topspin since I was a kid in the 90s. Believe it or not, we could all hit with topspin using 13 once sticks and synthetic gut back then. So this loopy moon ball style of play is not going to bug a better player, and they usually pop up around 4.0 and you start to see a lot more of them at 4.5.

tlm · Apr 2, 2014

Power Player said:
Well I was definitely correct in my first post - this is just about being defensive and not about getting better at all.

FYI - TennisLink only shows you as playing 3 4.0 level matches and they were all with your wife.

You have to look under USTA flex league 2012.

tlm · Apr 2, 2014

JackB1 said:
Not sure what all this stuff you posted is, but if you search your name on USTA, it says the only leagues you played in were "55 and over mixed 8.0" in 2013 and "7.0 55 and over mixed" in 2010.

The web page also has you individually as a 3.5. It also says you played line #3.

So once again, you are misrepresenting yourself badly. I would just give it up if I were you. You are digging yourself a deeper hole.

Mixed Doubles at 55 & over, is hardly a true representation of one's tennis level. I play on a regular mixed team at a much higher level than what I play mixed men's at. That is because there aren't enough women
to go around to fill up these mixed leagues, so the overall level gets dragged down. And that is here in tennis rich Atlanta. I would imagine in Bourbonaise, IL, it's quite more diluted.

In the league you are talking about I was bumped to 4.5 which I agree the mixed doubles is not a good example. But you did not look very well because that shows me as 4.5.

I did not misrepresent anything look under USTA flex league scores and stats
2012, that is were all the stats I posted came from. All fact just use the USTA site correctly and you will see for yourself.

JackB1 · Apr 2, 2014

tlm said:
In the league you are talking about I was bumped to 4.5 which I agree the mixed doubles is not a good example. But you did not look very well because that shows me as 4.5.

I did not misrepresent anything look under USTA flex league scores and stats
2012, that is were all the stats I posted came from. All fact just use the USTA site correctly and you will see for yourself.

You claimed to be a 4.5

Show me where you won some matches against another 4.5 male, in singles play. I searched the names of some of the guys you played in your flex league and they all come up 3.5.
When you can win around 50% of your singles matches against other male 4.5's, then you can call yourself a 4.5.

Let me ask you an honest question....why did you post this video? Did you want critique on your technique? What exactly were you trying to get out of it?

tlm · Apr 2, 2014

Power Player said:
Thats just lack of experience. I play an older guy who rated USTA 5.0 when he played singles for the league. His hands are incredible. I could hit heavy topspin at this guy and he can just take that spin and pace on the rise and chop it down and back. So I learned that the high bouncing ball can torture some players, but once you start to play at a higher level, everyone knows how to deal with it and you need to hit through the court more in order to keep those balls hard to attack.

I can see how he could play 4.0 tennis with those shots if his movement was better. The problem is that his movement is not good enough. To really benefit from that style of tennis you have to be fast and cover the court.

From what I see, he can hit deep balls, but not every time. So its simply just a matter of giving him one back and waiting for the ball you can jump on and pound to the opposite corner.

Anyway, this is pointless because he doesn't want to get better. He wants us all to tell him how good the strokes are instead of being real about it. I was trained to deal with topspin since I was a kid in the 90s. Believe it or not, we could all hit with topspin using 13 once sticks and synthetic gut back then. So this loopy moon ball style of play is not going to bug a better player, and they usually pop up around 4.0 and you start to see a lot more of them at 4.5.

The lack of experience is you not being able to use the USTA website correctly.

tlm · Apr 2, 2014

JackB1 said:
You claimed to be a 4.5

Show me where you won some matches against another 4.5 male, in singles play. I searched the names of some of the guys you played in your flex league and they all come up 3.5.
When you can win around 50% of your singles matches against other male 4.5's, then you can call yourself a 4.5.

Let me ask you an honest question....why did you post this video? Did you want critique on your technique? What exactly were you trying to get out of it?

Funny how you are now changing the subject. I thought i was a low 3.5 player. What happened to that? You claimed that I was not even 4.0. But I guess you don't want to talk about the 4.0 league I was in. You know the one that you lied and said I was misrepresenting the truth.

Its funny how before you were all about me showing USTA record in 4.0 and I do and now you don't want talk about that now. Talk about trying to misrepresent I came through with the stats and now you want to talk about 4.5 and why I posted my videos.

I never claimed to be a 4.5 player more misrepresentation by you. I said that I play in a 4.5 and 4.75 league that is like a solid USTA 4.0 league. So stay on subject if you can I already explained this earlier never claimed to be a 4.5 player.

Pickle9 · Apr 2, 2014

Tennislink shows 4.5 next to his name on the player overview page but 3.5 on the team summary pages.

Bizarre. I must speak to Dali about this. He'll straighten it out.

tlm · Apr 2, 2014

Power Player said:
Thats just lack of experience. I play an older guy who rated USTA 5.0 when he played singles for the league. His hands are incredible. I could hit heavy topspin at this guy and he can just take that spin and pace on the rise and chop it down and back. So I learned that the high bouncing ball can torture some players, but once you start to play at a higher level, everyone knows how to deal with it and you need to hit through the court more in order to keep those balls hard to attack.

I can see how he could play 4.0 tennis with those shots if his movement was better. The problem is that his movement is not good enough. To really benefit from that style of tennis you have to be fast and cover the court.

From what I see, he can hit deep balls, but not every time. So its simply just a matter of giving him one back and waiting for the ball you can jump on and pound to the opposite corner.

Anyway, this is pointless because he doesn't want to get better. He wants us all to tell him how good the strokes are instead of being real about it. I was trained to deal with topspin since I was a kid in the 90s. Believe it or not, we could all hit with topspin using 13 once sticks and synthetic gut back then. So this loopy moon ball style of play is not going to bug a better player, and they usually pop up around 4.0 and you start to see a lot more of them at 4.5.

Here is an example below of your lack of experience using the USTA website.

TennisLink League Reports - Individual Player Record for 2013
Player Name City/State NTRP Rating
Timothy Mullady Bourbonnais, IL 4.5
Local League Results
Section District League
USTA/******* NORTHERN ILLINOIS 2013 NITA Fall Mixed 55 & Over
Match ID Match Date Winning Player Opponent Score Match Type Level
1003808624 10/6/2013
Joy Mullady
Timothy Mullady

N/A

6-0, 6-0 #3 Doubles 8.0
1003808626 10/20/2013
Joy Mullady
Timothy Mullady

Phil Debuhr
Lisa Sanderson
7-5, 6-3 #3 Doubles 8.0
1003808630 11/17/2013
Gary M. Weigand
Dana Lamont

Timothy Mullady
Linda Kennedy
6-4, 6-4

JackB1 · Apr 2, 2014

tlm said:
I never claimed to be a 4.5 player more misrepresentation by you. I said that I play in a 4.5 and 4.75 league that is like a solid USTA 4.0 league. So stay on subject if you can I already explained this earlier never claimed to be a 4.5 player.

Whatever u say. We can go round and round on this, but the bottom line is you are dillusional about your abilities.

I am done with this waste of time conversation that goes nowhere....

tlm · Apr 2, 2014

Pickle9 said:
Tennislink shows 4.5 next to his name on the player overview page but 3.5 on the team summary pages.

Bizarre. I must speak to Dali about this. He'll straighten it out.

Nothing bizarre you are just smart enough to know how to use the website. That is from this years mixed doubles in which I play occasionally with my wife. It is not my singles rating.

tlm · Apr 2, 2014

JackB1 said:
Whatever u say. We can go round and round on this, but the bottom line is you are dillusional about your abilities.

Ya you are definitely confused because you got caught in your BS and can't get out of it. Still noticed that you don't want to talk about my USTA 4.0 stats. Remember last night all you did was hound me to show the stats and then I will believe you. Well I come through with the stats and now you are suddenly confused.

So naturally you are proven dead wrong so now you want to talk about me claiming I am a 4.5 player. I never claimed once that I am a 4.5 singles player.

LeeD · Apr 2, 2014

You have to understand, nobody here is dissing your tennis skills. We all think you hit strong and solid.
But you keep coming back with challenges to our games, then you go on and on defending your idea of your skills.
You're like a little girl, you can't be satisfied with us saying ... "you hit a strong, solid, repetitive ball".
You have to convince us you are playing the level you say you are.
Mixed don't count for bean in rankings.

user92626 · Apr 2, 2014

There's some egoistic craps going on here.

What's the big deal about 3.5, 4.0, 4.5, etc tennis? They're all stupid recreational levels.

Power Player · Apr 2, 2014

TLm you are super sensitive man. Lack of experience is not an insult, it's just an observation. You can't take the viewpoint we have and get upset and try to change peoples minds.

What do you want me to say? You are awesome and I wish I knew how to hit those massive looping balls? You post a video and ask for feedback then get upset because I didn't spend more than 1 minute looking you up on the USTA site. Then you ignore the majority of my post which I feel gives a real explanation for why it looks like you will hit a ceiling and instead take it personally.

You are like 30 years older than me, yet I feel like the adult here.

tlm · Apr 2, 2014

LeeD said:
You have to understand, nobody here is dissing your tennis skills. We all think you hit strong and solid.
But you keep coming back with challenges to our games, then you go on and on defending your idea of your skills.
You're like a little girl, you can't be satisfied with us saying ... "you hit a strong, solid, repetitive ball".
You have to convince us you are playing the level you say you are.
Mixed don't count for bean in rankings.

Lee you have been pretty honest but there are many that are dissing my skills. I never claimed to be anything more than a solid 4.0 level player, which is what I am. Which is not a big deal anyway just a decent level.

Despite the BS from many here I do not lie about my ability's. But when some hack claims I am a low 4.0 I will call him out on it that's all.

But even when I show stats from a 4.0 league I was in I am accused of misrepresentation. I do agree that mixed does not count for beans in rankings. But even when some looked up my doubles ranking they claimed it was 3.5.

tlm · Apr 2, 2014

Power Player said:
TLm you are super sensitive man. Lack of experience is not an insult, it's just an observation. You can't take the viewpoint we have and get upset and try to change peoples minds.

What do you want me to say? You are awesome and I wish I knew how to hit those massive looping balls? You post a video and ask for feedback then get upset because I didn't spend more than 1 minute looking you up on the USTA site. Then you ignore the majority of my post which I feel gives a real explanation for why it looks like you will hit a ceiling and instead take it personally.

You are like 30 years older than me, yet I feel like the adult here.

Well you were saying my lack of experience was showing in showing my USTA stats. I have not misrepresented anything in showing my level and stats and scores. So to me that seemed like an insult, or like I was lying about my results.

I do not ignore what you are saying I have been practicing a lot of your tips the last week that I have played. So I do listen to your advise you know a lot about the game and i respect that. By the way PP I saw your video quite a while ago and I wanted to see it again. So what do I find it under?

President · Apr 2, 2014

tlm said:
Well you were saying my lack of experience was showing in showing my USTA stats. I have not misrepresented anything in showing my level and stats and scores. So to me that seemed like an insult, or like I was lying about my results.

I do not ignore what you are saying I have been practicing a lot of your tips the last week that I have played. So I do listen to your advise you know a lot about the game and i respect that. By the way PP I saw your video quite a while ago and I wanted to see it again. So what do I find it under?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMkB-gjq_4Q

I believe this is power players video. He has a good channel with some videos of ATP pros too.

tlm · Apr 2, 2014

user92626 said:
There's some egoistic craps going on here.

What's the big deal about 3.5, 4.0, 4.5, etc tennis? They're all stupid recreational levels.

This is true we are all hackers pretty much just different level of hackers.

tlm · Apr 2, 2014

President said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMkB-gjq_4Q

I believe this is power players video. He has a good channel with some videos of ATP pros too.

Thanks ya that is the video I saw before. Wow PP you need to hit with a better player that guy is not very good. I think you guys only had one 5 shot rally or so even with edited video.

I do like the way you keep moving and stay light on your feet. I see what you mean about working on keep the feet moving.

As far as the hitting it was pretty good but with your weak partner not being able to keep a rally going could not get a lot out of a couple of shots and a miss. But to be honest I did not see many shots that looked that tough, I could bring those back very consistently.

Plus I saw some loopers or as you would call moonballs and some pretty short balls to. But need to see you hitting with somebody that can keep the ball in the court.

Power Player · Apr 2, 2014

That guy was a junior USTA 5.0 and a college prospect. I know because he still has his USTA rating card in his bag, which is pretty cool. They used to give us those before the internet. He had a kid and stopped playing tennis for years. I'd rate him at 4.0 now but he has a 5.0 window due to his serve and experience.

He's just out of shape and not moving. And as a result he has a tough time dealing with the spin. Thats how key the movement is.

tlm · Apr 2, 2014

Power Player said:
That guy was a junior USTA 5.0 and a college prospect. I know because he still has his USTA rating card in his bag, which is pretty cool. They used to give us those before the internet. He had a kid and stopped playing tennis for years. I'd rate him at 4.0 now but he has a 5.0 window due to his serve and experience.

He's just out of shape and not moving. And as a result he has a tough time dealing with the spin. Thats how key the movement is.

This guy was a college prospect? Wow he looks like he couldnt play junior college to me. He looked like he has a tough time dealing with any shot let alone much spin.

Even when he was there he could rarely get the ball back in the court. You need to hit with somebody better than him. If he plays like that he would be destroyed in 4.0 level.

BarneyBoots · Apr 2, 2014

This thread is hilarious.The fact that a certain person can openly and aggressively criticise the original posters technique is very hypocritical at best.Ok maybe he does "Arm the ball" a but bit having watched some of your videos I don't really think you are in a position to comment on that.The fact that you constantly try and come across as some kind of messiah when it comes to tennis knowledge offering advice on rackets,strings etc and then claim the original poster is delusional about his abilty is in itself delusional.Maybe instead of spending small fortunes on rackets it would be better to take some lessons ?? Just a thought.

RoddickAce · Apr 2, 2014

To the OP, when you post videos, you will inevitably attract posters to comment on your rating. If you wish for people to give advice to help your technique improve, it would probably be in your best interest to just ignore any rating claims.

To everyone else, I'm not sure about the history of the OP but if he claims to be a certain rating, then whatever. He knows his record in 4.0/4.5 and even if he is not telling the truth...so what.

Let's just all calm down and analyze the technique (although OP you need a better angle in your video).

Power Player · Apr 2, 2014

tlm said:
This guy was a college prospect? Wow he looks like he couldnt play junior college to me. He looked like he has a tough time dealing with any shot let alone much spin.

Even when he was there he could rarely get the ball back in the court. You need to hit with somebody better than him. If he plays like that he would be destroyed in 4.0 level.

I play many levels of players. I understand you are upset and want to insult people, but insulting my friend is pretty silly as his accomplishments are real regardless of what you think from a 2 minute clip.

You need to calm down a little bit and relax. You are going at a guy who has been playing tennis most of his life. He stopped playing for years and just wants to hit with me and get back in shape. He is not even on this forum to defend himself.

He is cool enough to let me film sometimes so I do.

This is a great example of why footwork is so important. It's all about movement. He is not moving well so the ball is getting up on him on that video. He still is able to hit defensive and back to my backhand. You can also see I will run around it sometimes and hit i/o forehands on his moon balls for a winner.

So really if you take anything from seeing that video, its that moving your feet can change everything, including your level and how you look on film.

Im going to repair my i5 - i have dust in the lens. hopefully next week I can do it. It's a little tricky. But once I do that I can hopefully start filming again as I like to see myself and what I need to work on. In the above video, my left hand was being utilized horribly. I have fixed that a lot in the past year and my form is probably the best have had it. So I want to see these things for myself.

tennis_ocd · Apr 2, 2014

President said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMkB-gjq_4Q

I believe this is power players video. He has a good channel with some videos of ATP pros too.

Wow... I wouldn't last a game bouncing around on my toes like that! Nice.

Velvet Ga el · Apr 2, 2014

tlm said:
You have to look under USTA flex league 2012.

I think the issue is that only one of the guys you played in that flex league was a true 4.0, and even then, his record at 4.0 shows him to be at the bottom of that score band.

From experience playing with guys who are in the flex leagues, they generally play in a flex rating about .5 above where they would play in the full-time leagues. For example, the guys you played in that flex league are mostly 3.5s, with one being a 3.0 and one being a 4.0. They would get rolled in a 4.0 full-time league.

I can see you as a low 4.0. Consistency still matters a lot at that level, and many of the guys that hang on at the middle of that level and below get the ball over but don't move well and don't have any real weapons. You fit that bill; your forehand is loopy, but you get it over and your backhand appears to be fine as well. Haven't seen you serve or return, so that's still a significant outstanding variable.

I think you're rightly taking heat from guys on here, though, on your claims to being a 4.5 or beating 5.0 players. Frankly, the claim about beating 5.0s is complete hogwash; they may have called them 5.0s in whatever league you played in, but you're not beating true 5.0s in Tennislink. Nor is there any evidence in Tennislink suggesting you're a 4.5 for anything other than mixed dubs, which is an entirely different animal than a men's 4.5 league.

I like your strokes. For a guy north of 55, you get the ball over by giving yourself plenty of margin and you're still playing a game well after many of your peers have probably quit. Cheers to you for that.

Power Player · Apr 2, 2014

tennis_ocd said:
Wow... I wouldn't last a game bouncing around on my toes like that! Nice.

Thanks. It took me a while to get to that type of fitness, but man, it REALLY makes a difference in the entirety of the stroke.

tlm · Apr 2, 2014

BarneyBoots said:
This thread is hilarious.The fact that a certain person can openly and aggressively criticise the original posters technique is very hypocritical at best.Ok maybe he does "Arm the ball" a but bit having watched some of your videos I don't really think you are in a position to comment on that.The fact that you constantly try and come across as some kind of messiah when it comes to tennis knowledge offering advice on rackets,strings etc and then claim the original poster is delusional about his abilty is in itself delusional.Maybe instead of spending small fortunes on rackets it would be better to take some lessons ?? Just a thought.

Exactly I am a weak moonballer but this hack he is hitting with is a solid 4.0. All his credibility jut went out the window with that.

tlm · Apr 2, 2014

Velvet Ga el said:
I think the issue is that only one of the guys you played in that flex league was a true 4.0, and even then, his record at 4.0 shows him to be at the bottom of that score band.

From experience playing with guys who are in the flex leagues, they generally play in a flex rating about .5 above where they would play in the full-time leagues. For example, the guys you played in that flex league are mostly 3.5s, with one being a 3.0 and one being a 4.0. They would get rolled in a 4.0 full-time league.

I can see you as a low 4.0. Consistency still matters a lot at that level, and many of the guys that hang on at the middle of that level and below get the ball over but don't move well and don't have any real weapons. You fit that bill; your forehand is loopy, but you get it over and your backhand appears to be fine as well. Haven't seen you serve or return, so that's still a significant outstanding variable.

I think you're rightly taking heat from guys on here, though, on your claims to being a 4.5 or beating 5.0 players. Frankly, the claim about beating 5.0s is complete hogwash; they may have called them 5.0s in whatever league you played in, but you're not beating true 5.0s in Tennislink. Nor is there any evidence in Tennislink suggesting you're a 4.5 for anything other than mixed dubs, which is an entirely different animal than a men's 4.5 league.

I like your strokes. For a guy north of 55, you get the ball over by giving yourself plenty of margin and you're still playing a game well after many of your peers have probably quit. Cheers to you for that.

You make some good points, except you will have to show me were I said I was a 4.5 singles player or were I said I beat a 5.0 player. Because that is completely false. I claimed to be a solid 4.0 player nothing more nothing less. Plus it was 2 years ago when I played in that league, have improved since then.

tlm · Apr 2, 2014

Power Player said:
I play many levels of players. I understand you are upset and want to insult people, but insulting my friend is pretty silly as his accomplishments are real regardless of what you think from a 2 minute clip.

You need to calm down a little bit and relax. You are going at a guy who has been playing tennis most of his life. He stopped playing for years and just wants to hit with me and get back in shape. He is not even on this forum to defend himself.

He is cool enough to let me film sometimes so I do.

This is a great example of why footwork is so important. It's all about movement. He is not moving well so the ball is getting up on him on that video. He still is able to hit defensive and back to my backhand. You can also see I will run around it sometimes and hit i/o forehands on his moon balls for a winner.

So really if you take anything from seeing that video, its that moving your feet can change everything, including your level and how you look on film.

Im going to repair my i5 - i have dust in the lens. hopefully next week I can do it. It's a little tricky. But once I do that I can hopefully start filming again as I like to see myself and what I need to work on. In the above video, my left hand was being utilized horribly. I have fixed that a lot in the past year and my form is probably the best have had it. So I want to see these things for myself.

Not upset just confused, you say I am a weak moonballer but yet your buddy is 4.0.

You say I want to insult people but you have constantly insulted my strokes and movement and everything else. Then you claim your buddy is a solid 4.0, this is beyond belief.

Power Player · Apr 2, 2014

tlm said:
Not upset just confused, you say I am a weak moonballer but yet your buddy is 4.0. Your credibility just went out the window with those observations.

It has not at all to anyone but you. All I have ever done is post advice and why I believe in the advice I am giving you - since you post videos and ask. I put reasons behind why I am telling you certain things and then I back it up.

Look, you could come down here and play me or my friend and we could put cash money down on games and have a 3rd party call lines, and I'm real confident I'd be the one buying the drinks that night. It's not worth it to me to argue so you feel better about yourself on the internet. Thats not my intention.

If you think you are better than my friend that is fine. There is a pattern of massive self defense in your threads so I get it.

I posted that video over a year ago and last time I checked no one said my credibility was bad or that I should not post my advice. So if one guy wants to think that, Im cool with it. It's life.

tlm · Apr 2, 2014

RoddickAce said:
To the OP, when you post videos, you will inevitably attract posters to comment on your rating. If you wish for people to give advice to help your technique improve, it would probably be in your best interest to just ignore any rating claims.

To everyone else, I'm not sure about the history of the OP but if he claims to be a certain rating, then whatever. He knows his record in 4.0/4.5 and even if he is not telling the truth...so what.

Let's just all calm down and analyze the technique (although OP you need a better angle in your video).

Good points just do not like being accused of lying about my rating. Which I never did or never will do. But you are right just leave the rating part out of it.

tlm · Apr 2, 2014

Power Player said:
It has not at all to anyone but you. All I have ever done is post advice and why I believe in the advice I am giving you - since you post videos and ask. I put reasons behind why I am telling you certain things and then I back it up.

Look, you could come down here and play me or my friend and we could put cash money down on games and have a 3rd party call lines, and I'm real confident I'd be the one buying the drinks that night. It's not worth it to me to argue so you feel better about yourself on the internet. Thats not my intention.

If you think you are better than my friend that is fine. There is a pattern of massive self defense in your threads so I get it.

I posted that video over a year ago and last time I checked no one said my credibility was bad or that I should not post my advice. So if one guy wants to think that, Im cool with it. It's life.

Thats fine but anyone that watches my clip and then your buddy's I believe if they have any objectivity would think the same thing that I did.

No matter of massive self defense just pointing out the obvious.

Power Player · Apr 2, 2014

tlm said:
Thats fine but anyone that watches my clip and then your buddy's I believe would think the same thing that I did.

Look if you want to take rating out of it then you need to do the same to other people.

What they would see is the same thing - you need to move your feet to play your best tennis. Its just that simple.

Im much more focused on technique then rating people on the internet. If you want to talk about rating, then I would say the faster you prepare for your shots and the more active your feet are, the better your rating will get.

The guys that are the toughest to play who have unconventional strokes are usually very fast and get to everything in time to balance themselves.

tlm · Apr 2, 2014

Power Player said:
Look if you want to take rating out of it then you need to do the same to other people.

What they would see is the same thing - you need to move your feet to play your best tennis. Its just that simple.

Im much more focused on technique then rating people on the internet. If you want to talk about rating, then I would say the faster you prepare for your shots and the more active your feet are, the better your rating will get.

The guys that are the toughest to play who have unconventional strokes are usually very fast and get to everything in time to balance themselves.

I was just agreeing with another poster about the rating getting overblown.
I agree with you 100% about the movement the quicker you move your feet the better you will play.

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