1H BH secret discovered

sureshs

Bionic Poster
I have discovered the secret to 1H BH. I always had trouble with the ball that came a little to my left (I am a RH) and deep. It always jammed me and I had no space or time for a backswing. Last nite by chance I discovered the solution - move your left (outside) foot BACK diagonally while turning sideways to the left.

That is all, boys. Sorry if you expected some profound insight.

This foot movement is a lot I do on the forehand side, I realized. Moving outside foot back is not in the modern instruction any more. Most places I have read (including tennisplayer.net) talk about the outside foot planting behind the ball, and then hitting open stance with body rotation or stepping forward with inside foot for a closed stance. That is the ideal way, but often doesn't work for poor players like myself.

Then I recalled reading on the net (was it Oscar Wegner or some other geometric guy) who had contrasted his technique with old footwork recommended in USTA manuals from the early 20th century. They have diagrams with footprint marks, and they showed the outside foot moving diagonally backward! Apparently that is obsolete technique. But I have discovered that it is really useful on the backhand. It gives you more time and space for a good swing because you are taking the ball later and getting your outside foot out of the way of your swing.

It also works with balls further out in the backhand (but not too much). You need to move a little bit more of course, and then instead of planting your foot parallel to the baseline as the articles suggest, make the final planting step with your foot diagonally backwards from the baseline. I could get good topspin and power from this position due to fuller swing and I felt I was not rushed at all.
 

chess9

Hall of Fame
I prefer to plant the left foot and step FORWARD with the right foot into the ball, ala GUGA. (My stroke is nothing like Guga's, but I try.) In other words, step into the shot and transfer your weight in a timely manner.

-Robert
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35ft6

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I've noticed I make better contact when my right/front foot is pointed 45 degrees away from the net, almost straight along the baseline. This forces me to turn my shoulder in such a way that by the time I make contact with the ball, I have a lot of torque behind my shot. Otherwise, when my footwork is not as clean, I find that I didn't have enough of a backswing to overcome the weight of the incoming shot, plus I arm it to much in order to compensate for lack of a shoulder turn.
 

Ripper

Hall of Fame
sureshs said:
I have discovered the secret to 1H BH. I always had trouble with the ball that came a little to my left (I am a RH) and deep. It always jammed me and I had no space or time for a backswing...

In that situation, just slice it back.
 
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Suresh, congratulations! Hard work and experimentation is the key to finding out what works for YOU. I think I I have seen these diagrams also, if the same I believe they were on revolutionarytennis.com
 

fedbandian

New User
chess9 said:
I prefer to plant the left foot and step FORWARD with the right foot into the ball, ala GUGA. (My stroke is nothing like Guga's, but I try.) In other words, step into the shot and transfer your weight in a timely manner.

-Robert

thats exactly how i do it

(nothing like gugas tho unfortunatly)
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
TennisParent said:
Suresh, congratulations! Hard work and experimentation is the key to finding out what works for YOU. I think I I have seen these diagrams also, if the same I believe they were on revolutionarytennis.com

Thanks - it was the revolutionary tennis web page.

After typing the post, I was watching a challenger tournament on TTC with Kevin Kim playing somebody. I observed his footwork on both FH and BH and quite often, his outside foot was way behind sideways from his inside foot with his body turned sideways, and this even after he had already moved back a couple of steps anticipating a deep ball. On the follow thru, he would move his outside foot to be parallel with his inside foot as he uncoiled his body.

He is a top 100 player. I will have to watch other matches to see how often pros hit "on the back foot", to borrow a term from cricket.
 

papa

Hall of Fame
I'm kinda from the "whatever works school" on some of this stuff but I'm not comfortable with going backwards so you then can "try" to more forward. I would assume your still moving your right foot ahead after the left foot retreat or are you trying to hit a one-handed backhard from an open stance? If you are, I don't like that idea at all. However, I'm not sure why the step backward compared to pivoting on the left foot - what does it actually do for you?
 

jackson vile

G.O.A.T.
What I just started thinking about is why don't I just hit and have foot movment just like my forehand? I started doing on my 1hbh as I do with my forehand and it is work well.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
papa said:
I'm kinda from the "whatever works school" on some of this stuff but I'm not comfortable with going backwards so you then can "try" to more forward. I would assume your still moving your right foot ahead after the left foot retreat or are you trying to hit a one-handed backhard from an open stance? If you are, I don't like that idea at all. However, I'm not sure why the step backward compared to pivoting on the left foot - what does it actually do for you?

It is in fact open stance. Left foot starts parallel to the right, then moves sideways behind the right with body turned left, and then rotates back into original position as I hit the ball.

Moving backward vs pivoting: I assume you mean unit turn by pivoting. As they teach it, you rotate your feet and simultaneously take a little step outward with your outside foot. From that position, I can see stepping in with a closed stance. But I cannot properly hit open stance - my left foot is in the way of my backswing and I am rushed.
 
sureshs said:
Here is the link:

Look at the OLD FOOTWORK section.

http://revolutionarytennis.com/step2.html

I am glad it works for you, personally though, the footwork diagrams on this web site are just mind boggling to me. What works for ME on 1hbh is being very diligent about my racquet preparation, shoulder turn and spacing myself comfortably from the ball. That being said, I will try moving outside foot back like you say on my next practice session, you never know eh.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
TennisParent said:
I am glad it works for you, personally though, the footwork diagrams on this web site are just mind boggling to me. What works for ME on 1hbh is being very diligent about my racquet preparation, shoulder turn and spacing myself comfortably from the ball. That being said, I will try moving outside foot back like you say on my next practice session, you never know eh.

Wonder if board veterans like BB, NBM and BP have anything to say about this.

BTW, I am pretty sure the juniors I see often play off the back foot with a 2 H BH. They also hop backwards pretty quickly, so you may miss the back foot part.
 

papa

Hall of Fame
sureshs said:
Wonder if board veterans like BB, NBM and BP have anything to say about this.

BTW, I am pretty sure the juniors I see often play off the back foot with a 2 H BH. They also hop backwards pretty quickly, so you may miss the back foot part.

I don't think your seeing this stuff right. Its pretty hard to hit well off of the back foot. They (players you see) have loaded the back foot (transfered their weight) but they are coming forward as they hit.

I'm also not saying its impossible to hit a 1HB from an open stance but unlikely you'll be very consistent. The leading shoulder (racquet hand shoulder) plays a big part in the 1HB and really must swing like a big door going through the ball. Yes, you can do it using an open stance but I don't understand why you would want to. Are you sure you're not talking about a 2HB?
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
papa said:
I don't think your seeing this stuff right. Its pretty hard to hit well off of the back foot. They (players you see) have loaded the back foot (transfered their weight) but they are coming forward as they hit.

I'm also not saying its impossible to hit a 1HB from an open stance but unlikely you'll be very consistent. The leading shoulder (racquet hand shoulder) plays a big part in the 1HB and really must swing like a big door going through the ball. Yes, you can do it using an open stance but I don't understand why you would want to. Are you sure you're not talking about a 2HB?

I see what you mean. It is more appropriate for 2 H BH. But I am talking in my case about 1 handed. The shot is not powerful as you point out because I am not able to lean on the ball. Only advantage I get is the higher chance of getting the ball over decently as opposed to being rushed and taking the ball on the rise and missing. With better footwork, I would be able to move back in anticipation and then hit off the front foot.
 
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