Nadal15thslam
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This tournament just doesn't suit him. He'll probably never win it and that's okay. He has a lot of other wins to be happy about.
2022 ATP Finals RR: [1] Rafael Nadal vs Felix Auger-Aliassime [5]
RF-18
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I said Fritz would win.
StrongRule
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And this guy was saying the opposite.
RF-18
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He believed in his guy.
Nadal15thslam
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To be fair the 1st set was decent for Rafa in the Fritz match but he was a lot worse after that.
Nadal15thslam
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So Vamos Fritz it is for tonight.
StrongRule
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You want Djokovic to vulture another win over a terrible Nadal? Let it go. I'm upset this year over the IW and USO losses. As for WTF, I never expected anything here.
alexio
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yes hes out
Nadal15thslam
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I'm upset for Wimbledon the most. He was actually playing well there.
King_ Zeglan12
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Watching 2022 Nadal on indoor makes me wish it was 2015 Nadal there lol
RF-18
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Djoko and Nadal have met like 3 times on HC the last 6-7 years, while playing 8 times on clay. Gtfo
StrongRule
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They played so many times when Nadal was out of form. 7 times just in 2015-2016. For comparison, just one match in 2017 when it was the other way around. Also, DO is not a clay tournament anymore. It's an indoor tournament.
StrongRule
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Nadal didn't win a single set in WTF 2009. So what, AO 2009 was asterisked as well? Stop writing BS.
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Nadal was the better player, except for the big points which he lost because Felix served big, while Nadal hit double-faults.
Very strange match, and one of the longest matches you'll ever see for that scoreline.
Even stranger because Felix had all those service winners, so you'd think the match would be shorter than 1hr 57min.
What a paradox.
Very strange match, and one of the longest matches you'll ever see for that scoreline.
Even stranger because Felix had all those service winners, so you'd think the match would be shorter than 1hr 57min.
What a paradox.
Lauren_Girl'
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6-3 6-4 but Nadal was the better player? Auger had double break points at 3-1. Could've easily been 6-3 6-2.
He hit 2x more winners at the end.
I hope he lets Rune play the last match against Ruud.
Depends which matches. Yes for Sonego and BVDZ (not big names on grass, though) but He also lost sets against Berankis ent Cerundolo, he wasn't playing well at all.... The match against Fritz was poor from both in terms of level. I don't think he had any chances against Djokovic. Vs Kyrgios it would've been 50-50.
RF-18
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Nadal was not even injured in 2015 and played the whole year, same with first part of 2016. Djokovic took him to town on clay even.
If you wanna talk about ''they played so many times'' lets not forget the mid 00s and how many times they played on clay, especially at RG but also masters. I love how you always ignore that period.
StrongRule
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Comparing 2007-2009 Djokovic (2008-2009 on clay) to 2015-2016 Nadal is absolutely ridiculous, and you know it. That was discussed many times. Just because you ignore Nadal being at his worst in 2015-2016, doesn't mean it isn't true. All other tennis fans know it.
Sampras-Bruguera 1993
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Nadal was in GOATing form today. Every year a disappearing act indoors minus a few. It’s why he can’t be above Djoker
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Rafael Nadal still can win 2022 YEC and become YE#1
As it stands: M S G 1. FAA 1-1 2-2 22-20 2. Fritz 1-0 2-0 13-7 3. Ruud 1-0 2-0 13-10 4. Nadal 0-2 0-4 14-25 but with the scores: Fritz vs Ruud 6-4 6-3 Nadal vs Ruud 6-3 6-1 Fritz vs FAA 6-2 6-4 it will look as follows: M S G 1. Fritz 3-0 6-0 37-20 2. Nadal 1-2...
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helterskelter
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It is somewhat plausible, given that there's some chance that Ruud will lose his remaining two matches relatively handily. That happening would have the happy byproduct for Nadal of boosting his games won percentage as well as seeing Ruud's go down. But as another poster remarked, Nadal's game percentage is also not looking great after set losses of 1-6, 3-6, and 4-6 on a court where there are likely to be plenty of tiebreaks (and have been quite a few already this week).
Assume for the sake of argument that both Fritz and Nadal beat Ruud 6-2 6-2. That's probably about as easy a win as can make for a reasonable assumption. Then, Ruud would end up behind Nadal as Ruud would have a game record of 21-34 and Nadal of 26-29. But the problem is that the Fritz v Auger-Aliassime match is likely to be fairly close in each set because neither is very likely to get many breaks of serve. I think that the most optimistic reasonable assumption from Nadal's point of view for that match would be Fritz winning 6-3 6-4 (e.g. one break in each set with Fritz serving first in the match). In this scenario, Auger-Aliassime ends up with a game record of 29-32, and so he edges out Nadal.
That means that for Nadal to finish ahead of Auger-Aliassime in game percentage, he needs results that are probably slightly outside the realistic range. Not to say that they can't happen, but it's not by any means likely.
RF-18
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You are ignoring the amount of times they played between 06-09 on clay. 10 freaking times in a span of a 4 year period in a 2 month season, including 3 times at RG. Don't talk to me about ''playing so many times''.
TheFifthSet
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Has Nadal ever gone two matches without getting broken? Don’t think so…
jm1980
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At the 2019 AO Nadal went 5 matches in a row without getting broken thanks to his new and improved serve. Only a couple of slips in his first round match brought his service won percentage down to 98%
This gave some Nadal fans confidence to proclaim he would easily handle Djokovic in the final
TheFifthSet
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Oh no sorry I derped lol. Meant to ask “without breaking serve” — and I don’t think he has until now.
Yeah, he had similar serving success in the ‘10 and ‘13 USO, no? I think ‘06 Wimby as well.
jm1980
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Ah yes. He went 4 matches in a row without being broken at the 2010 USO and 2006 Wimbledon, and 5 in a row at the 2013 USO
He only failed to break serve two matches in a row twice before in his career, both times in separate tournaments held one week apart:
2004 Palermo (clay) R16, loss to Mutis, 3-6, 3-6 (0/7 on BP)
2004 Lyon (carpet) R32, loss to Benneteau, 3-6, 0-6 (0/0 on BP)
2007 Chennai (hard) SF, loss to Malisse, 4-6, 6-7 (0/7 on BP)
2007 Sydney (hard) R32, loss to Guccione, 5-6, retired (0/0 on BP)
(with recorded stats, some tournaments missing stats on tennisabstract)
TheFifthSet
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Good finds!
that’s his 42nd overall blanking since the start of ‘05. Fed has, surprisingly, been the toughest to hold to 0 breaks since the year they won their maiden slams.
would be nice to see a trifecta against Casper
He beat RF at AO. Here he took advantage of Djokovic's sabbatical and vultured it.
StrongRule
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He beat the player who destroyed Djokovic in USO 2021 in straight sets. Had Djokovic beaten Shapovalov, Berrettini and Medvedev you would be calling it a great title.
alexio
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at least it wouldnt be a bit asterisked as its with ndal case, coz ndal is not a big threat for djoko who was removed due to some non tennis reasons, which cant be said ditto if we reverse the situation hence djoko is a big threat for ndal there on the kangaroo' continent, lets remove based on the same reason ndal from rg and lets see wut the tune ndal fans will be singing then
LOL, Berretini and Shapavalov would be stomped by Djokovic.
And Medvedev beat a Djokovic who was at 10% of his fitness level, after winning 27 matches in BO5 that year.
DSH
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DSH
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The same thing always happens to him, on a hard indoor court.
Nadal could never have a serve at the level of the greats; it's a shame.
He had his golden opportunity in 2020 and stupidly blew it.
abmk
Bionic Poster
Nadal/Djokovic played twice in 2017 and first half of 2018 on clay.
thrice on clay in 06/07.
that's 5 times.
close to evening out compared to 15/16 Nadal vs Djoko (7 times)
DSH
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abmk
Bionic Poster
yeah, because Nadal didn't escape massively vs Korda in IW due to Korda choking and didn't have enough luck in AO 22 that he needed more at the USO 22
you are upset he didn't win a 3rd slam in 22 given his level. seriously?
StrongRule
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They also had 3 hardcourt (2 indoor) matches in the second half of 2009, when Nadal was losing to the whole top-10, and should have lost to Almagro and Robredo.
abmk
Bionic Poster
not going to discount that. only discounting when very young/in one of the worst years or halves for either of them.
nadal was consistently making semis of HC tournaments then.
2009 top 10 was the strongest top 10 there's been in the century anyways.
not discounting djoko YEC 07 loss to Nadal either for example.. Djoko had 5 losses in a row (Nalby Madrid, Santoro Paris and 3 at the YEC)
StrongRule
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Djokovic had pretty strong results in 2007, including reaching RG semifinal. Don't see how he was worse than Nadal in the second half of 2009. Only by some miracle Nadal didn't lose in the first round of Paris, and then he lost all 6 sets in WTF. Didn't win a title for 11 months.
There were more than enough discussions on this topic anyway, and many users agree Djokovic faced an out of form Nadal way more times than it was the other way around. Djokovic also never reached Nadal in RG after 2016, until it was turned into DO.
abmk
Bionic Poster
didn't say he was worse. Point is I dont't see reason to exclude either 2007 YEC djoko or 2009 2nd half Nadal.
except its not even remotely close to true. I've shown evidence above.
oh yeah, like we needed another gazillion meetings at RG.
StrongRule
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But somehow you see a reason to exclude specifically the clay matches in 2007.didn't say he was worse. Point is I dont't see reason to exclude either 2007 YEC djoko or 2009 2nd half Nadal.
except its not even remotely close to true. I've shown evidence above.
oh yeah, like we needed another gazillion meetings at RG.
Im(moral) Winner
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Lol
abmk
Bionic Poster
yes - because djoko wasn't developed enough on clay in 2007, IMO.
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