Aggressive Federer

[The Baseline]

its basically now or never for Roger. Djokovic is starting to beat Federer every occasion they play. Where is the aggressive Federer like the one we saw in 05-06. Federer was dictating everything and hitting forehand winners. Today federer uses more spin and more defensive slice shots and is not in position like he used to be. Federer used to dictate the point and was hitting with a lot more pace. Fed still has the talent, he just needs to make his mind up whether hes going to play more of a defensive game or more of an offensive game.

 

[TaihtDuhShaat]

Nothing to see here

 

[Manus Domini]

With Federer whose play style is the counterpuncher

I stopped reading there. The new-found knowledge is too overbearing

 

[The Baseline]

an aggressive federer here in 2005
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XELAag2Zw8

i dont understand why he cant play like this now. Federer can hit the ball as hard as anyone. its awesome to watch roger dicatate. he needs to do that now to beat djokovic and nadal.

 

[bolo]

I knew it was going to be a hewitt clip! , although I was guessing it was going to be from the US open final.

 

[Pwned]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gAjakjObgU&feature=related

 

[big ted]

i think its out of federers control hes trying to play as well as he can, he just doesnt move as well as he used to due to age, that makes all the difference. one other thing i noticed in his last match on tv, his service motion is stiffer and less elastic.. he just doesnt have the body of a 24 year old anymore... hes a little past his prime playing players who are heading right in the middle of theirs. i think he can win a couple more gs titles tho, he was unlucky at last years us open..

 

[TaihtDuhShaat]

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With Federer whose play style is the (All courter?), over years of evolution by definition his game should become more offensive at times and more defensive at times. The beauty of the this style is the opponent never know which way the (all courter?) will play the next point. In that regard, Federer has become a more evolved and a smarter player because he alternates play style so much. Now we should all agree that when he plays offensive like '05 he dominates, but his game is arguably more dimensional today.

Well I found out my idea of a counterpuncher is vastly opposite to the common held belief. I didn't mean to say Federer plays like Simon! I guess I don't know what a counterpuncher is after all.

 

[tennisMVP]

Would Federer hit more unforced errors when he plays aggressive? Logic says yes. But he is already making more unforced errors than ever before. So is being aggressive the answer?

 

[cc0509]

Federer is getting older. He has definitely lost some of his footowrk and focus. No question about it and I am a Fed fan.

 

[Bobby Jr]

its basically now or never for Roger. Djokovic is starting to beat Federer every occasion they play.

Matches they've played since the US Open last year: 5

Wins
Federer - 3
Djokovic - 2

Straight set wins
Djokovic - 2
Federer - 2

Federer also won his 3 all in a row. Djokovic's has only won 2.

...and all of this happened in the last 5 months.

 

[cy1126dragonamul]

over the years, tennis has evolved....
players study federer
imitates federer
plays like federer
federer plays the same way he used to play, but today's players are not letting him dictate anymore.
players are just getting better and better everyday.

 

[cknobman]

Federer is getting older. He has definitely lost some of his footowrk and focus. No question about it and I am a Fed fan.

You took the words right from my head.

I agree 110%.

 

[Omega_7000]

Matches they've played since the US Open last year: 5

Wins
Federer - 3
Djokovic - 2

Straight set wins
Djokovic - 2
Federer - 2

Federer also won his 3 all in a row. Djokovic's has only won 2.

...and all of this happened in the last 5 months.

Thank you !

 

[Totai]

Federer should hook up with Natalie Glebova. That should give him some new life

 

[TJfederer16]

its funny how only after two tournaments everything is seen to have changed round, just before the aussie open roger was pretty much dominating and then djoker plays two really good tournaments and suddenly thats the changing of the guard, put it in perspective please and stop getting ahead of yourself with these ludicrous threads.

 

[veroniquem]

Matches they've played since the US Open last year: 5

Wins
Federer - 3
Djokovic - 2

Straight set wins
Djokovic - 2
Federer - 2

Federer also won his 3 all in a row. Djokovic's has only won 2.

...and all of this happened in the last 5 months.

Rofl, as if wins in Basel and Shanghai were comparable in any way to wins in AO and USO. What truly cracks me up is that Fed fans' main argument against Murray was that his winning head to head vs Fed is worth zip because only the slams matter.
Hilarious how they've changed their minds 200% now that Djoko is the one doing the slam beatings...

 

[Omega_7000]

Rofl, as if wins in Basel and Shanghai were comparable in any way to wins in AO and USO. What truly cracks me up is that Fed fans' main argument against Murray was that his winning head to head vs Fed is worth zip because only the slams matter.
Hilarious how they've changed their minds 200% now that Djoko is the one doing the slam beatings...

Yeah that makes sense. Now that Djokovic has achieved everything & cemented his place in the history of tennis as a legend being number 1 for so long, he doesn't care about Masters, ranking points & World Tour Finals anymore.

 

[The Baseline]

Yeah that makes sense. Now that Djokovic has achieved everything & cemented his place in the history of tennis as a legend being number 1 for so long, he doesn't care about Masters, ranking points & World Tour Finals anymore.

Djokovic also plays in an era of greatness. Rafael Nadal and Roger Federer will go down as the 2 best ever when its all said and done. Djokovic is a big time player when comnpeting against those two. Let me reprhase it, Djokovic doesnt get enough credit for being the champion that he is.

 

[Fiji]

Aggressive Federer might win one more major.

 

[cc0509]

Originally Posted by veroniquem
Rofl, as if wins in Basel and Shanghai were comparable in any way to wins in AO and USO. What truly cracks me up is that Fed fans' main argument against Murray was that his winning head to head vs Fed is worth zip because only the slams matter.Hilarious how they've changed their minds 200% now that Djoko is the one doing the slam beatings...

Not sure which fans think that but I can say that in my own mind Murray is like a peasant compared to Federer. Murray has shown himself to be a choker who is not mentally strong enough (thus far) to win slams. Besides that he is insufferable to watch and has the personality of a tree stump. I much prefer to watch Djokovic over Murray and Djokovic at least is on a roll right now. Let's see if he can keep it up. All I know is both of them have a long way to go to even be considered in the same breath as Federer.

Yeah that makes sense. Now that Djokovic has achieved everything & cemented his place in the history of tennis as a legend being number 1 for so long, he doesn't care about Masters, ranking points & World Tour Finals anymore.

LOL!

 

[Bobby Jr]

Rofl, as if wins in Basel and Shanghai were comparable in any way to wins in ...

Hilarious how they've changed their minds 200% now that Djoko is the one doing the slam beatings...

The original poster said "Djokovic is starting to beat Federer every occasion they play" - that is what I was replying to.

I didn't give the wins/losses any weighting or importance, just the fact the OP was wrong unless you only consider results since the 1st Jan which is a bit self-serving in terms of trying to portray a trend imo. Using the same logic you can show Nadal is barely a top 10 player (having lost to both Davydenko and Ferrer in the same date range) - which we know is not the case.

 

[The Baseline]

The original poster said "Djokovic is starting to beat Federer every occasion they play" - that is what I was replying to.

I didn't give the wins/losses any weighting or importance, just the fact the OP was wrong unless you only consider results since the 1st Jan which is a bit self-serving in terms of trying to portray a trend imo. Using the same logic you can show Nadal is barely a top 10 player (having lost to both Davydenko and Ferrer in the same date range) - which we know is not the case.

Federer has dominated Djokovic in the past, but doesn't it look like the guard has changed?

 

[Bobby Jr]

Federer has dominated Djokovic in the past, but doesn't it look like the guard has changed?

Well, you could see it that way for sure but going back to 2007 Federer has not once won more than 2 matches in a row against Djokovic, but then after the 2010 USO he won 3 in a row.

No doubt Djokovic has upped his game and Federer is not at his peak but the wins Federer had only months ago in late 2010 - including the hammering at the World Tour Finals - show he's still got the goods. Certainly good enough to beat Djokovic at least some of the time.

 

[ThePKwon]

Rofl, as if wins in Basel and Shanghai were comparable in any way to wins in AO and USO. What truly cracks me up is that Fed fans' main argument against Murray was that his winning head to head vs Fed is worth zip because only the slams matter.
Hilarious how they've changed their minds 200% now that Djoko is the one doing the slam beatings...

It's also hilarious how Rafa fans' main argument against anyone is that he is always injured or tired.

 

[veroniquem]

Not always. Sometimes yes but not always: AO: injury, Doha: virus, WTF: tiredness , Shanghai: shoulder BUT Bangkok and Cinci: bad play, Canada: outplayed.
It's pretty much the same for all players IMO. Reasons are different for every loss.

 

[veroniquem]

The original poster said "Djokovic is starting to beat Federer every occasion they play" - that is what I was replying to.

I didn't give the wins/losses any weighting or importance, just the fact the OP was wrong unless you only consider results since the 1st Jan which is a bit self-serving in terms of trying to portray a trend imo. Using the same logic you can show Nadal is barely a top 10 player (having lost to both Davydenko and Ferrer in the same date range) - which we know is not the case.

OK, he should have said: he beats Fed in the most important matches, at least on outdoor hard. No matter how defensive you are about it, it's never happened before that Fed would get beaten in 2 hard court slams in a row, even less by the same player. It may not be that terrible of a sign, but it can't be good either.
Don't bring Nadal into this because hard court has never been Nadal's best surface and Nadal has never dominated the hard court slams the way Fed has. There is nothing unusual about Rafa not winning on hard.
Fed losing 2 hard court slams in a row to Djoko is about the equivalent of Rafa losing 2 RG or 2 masters in a row on clay to the same player.
If that happened, I'm pretty sure you and other Fed fans would not dismiss it as meaning nothing special...

 

[timnz]

Confused

its basically now or never for Roger. Djokovic is starting to beat Federer every occasion they play.

Djokovic has won only 2 out of the last 5 times they have played. I'm confused. Where do you get that idea?