Andy Roddick: A breakdown of his game.

Qubax

Professional
Past, Present, Future.



I am a big Andy Roddick fan. As can be seen by my avatar. However, if you notice my signature, I don’t believe I am a homer.

There are some fans who are too negative saying Roddick will not get past the 2nd round of slams nowadays. Others pick him to win a slam(usually Wimbeldon or the US Open each year)

I believe firmly if Roddick can remain healthy for 3 or 4 straight months (Yes, maybe a tall order) that most fans, pundits, and critics will be surprised at how well Roddick plays and how he stacks up against everyone in the world outside of the Top 4.


Past:

Roddick burst onto the scene with fanfare, a serve, and the image of being the next great American Tennis player. The fact is Roddick was always quite average(sans the Serve that is). And while Andy is often excused for being in the Rafa and Roger era in his prime years, he actually broke onto the scene before either Federer or Nadal were reaching their peaks and after Agassi and Sampras had their best days behind them.

To be honest in Roddick’s first 2 or 3 relevant seasons from 2001-2004 the era of Tennis was quite weak. Moya, Hewitt, Ferrero, Nalbandian were the top of the game. And an okay Roddick, with a great serve was a Major Championship factor.

Ofcourse, I’m not sure we always know if we are in a weak or a strong era while it’s happening. And most saw the continual elevation of play, racquet and string technology, fitness-nutrition, etc., and probably didn’t think that what Andy was accomplishing early in his career was due, in part, to a lull at the top of the game.

The fact is you may not be able to fairly compare a 24 year old Federer with a 24 year old Laver. Too much has changed. But I think it’s a lot more realistic to compare a 21 yr old Hewitt with a 21 yr old Sampras, or Nadal, or Djokovic, etc. And the truth is Roddick was competing with what he was dealt, and what Andy was dealt at a young age was a mediocre field. A field where based on Roddick’s serve, aggression, confidence and determination he was a very real Slam Factor.

Do we really think that if Andy was the same age as Sampras coming up that he would have had any more success denting Pistol Pete’s slam totals then Agassi had? Probably not.

So while the emergence of Roger and then Rafa surely brought on a rare and difficult era, the beginning of Andy’s career was actually in the midst of a mediocre field.

Then the 2003 US Open validated Andy as a great young American Tennis player, and since at the time, I doubt the field was seen as weak as it is now, there was no reason to believe that Andy was nothing less then a future multi-slam winner with a decent chance of following in the footsteps of McEnroe,Sampras, Agassi, as the next great dominant US Champion. My contention is ofcourse two fold. The era was weak, and Roddick just wasn’t THAT good.

But he was the sexy, young, brash, American Jock. Who with a big serve, FH, and bulldog mentality had all the makings of the next big star.

So in comes Roger. He’s just too good. Probably the greatest of all time. Then in comes Nadal and this growing generation of all court tennis players. Roddick who had been projected and anointed as the next big star just wasn’t measuring up.

It was a slow decline ofcourse. Dropping from 1 to 2….to 3 and then 4….eventually dipping out of the Top 5.

Roddick had a few problems in the 2004-2009 era.

A. His game wasn’t evolving.
B. I think he was immature and needed to grow up. This led to several coaching changes
C. Fed/Nadal era did not help.


I think when Stefanki came in at the beginning of 2009 Roddick began to evolve. And their have been two phases.

Phase 1: Roddick loses the 15 pounds, gets quicker around the court and improves his defence. This needed to happen, and in and of itself was not a bad move. It was not a move that dealt with Roddick’s forehand, which had degenerated into a loopy, puff ball mess.

During Phase 1: Roddick saw some gains. He beat Nadal in a ATP 1000 Final, had the Epic SW19 final with Federer and continued his streak of being in the Top 10 and winning atleast one 500 or better tournament every year.(Memphis Last year)

The problem with Phase 1 is it should have come in about 2006 or 2007, not the beginning of 2009. Andy lost 2 or 3 good years there. Because while improving his defence, movement and fitness was a good thing and necessary, it was very incomplete on it’s own. And was only a positive stride if he used those gains as a base to then work on offence. And he wasn't getting any younger.

Because much like Agassi did, patrolling the baseline, directing traffic, and shortening points. Andy needed to get more aggressive as he aged, not less aggressive. That’s not to say losing 15 pounds, being in better shape and having better defence was mutually exclusive with also learning to play more aggressively.

Phase 2:

I think Phase 2 started after the Australian Open 2011 when was absolutely dismantled and embarrassed by Stan Wawrinka. He toyed with him. Hit billions of winners and just frankly, blew Roddick off the court. People had been saying for years that Andy needed to regain his powerful FH, and be more aggressive off the ground, on returns etc, etc.

Well I think the beginning of Roddick becoming more aggressive was after that 2011 Aussie Open, where Roddick himself admitted that he needed to do something to deal with these big hitters(paraphrase) And I know what you are thinking. “Huh? More aggressive!? What have you been watching? Where is their any evidence that Andy is being more aggressive?.”

Well I believe if you watch AR matches as closely as I do, you can see the evolution slowly taking shape.

There have been two problems with Andy becoming more aggressive though.

Firstly, he’s hardly been healthy long enough to implement his slow gradual increase in offense. Secondly, while I believe Andy is improving his offensive game I think he puts a preference on his fitness, cardio and physical base and only works secondarily on ANY hitting improvements he may have in mind. I think this is why it’s a shame that Roddick didn’t hook up with Stefanki in 2006 or 2007. IMO, he kinda wasted a few prime years there.

Now, one could argue that all of Roddick’s “track work” is putting undue stress and extra miles on the legs and Roddick needs to hit, hit, hit with new tactics and aggression in practice. Atleast this needs to be more of a priority then just the running hills in the hot Austin Sun routine. There is probably some truth to that.

What there is also truth to however is that Roddick is playing more aggressively. He just hasn’t been healthy long enough to fully implement it etc.

But it is slowly, gradually, imperceptibly – changing. Morphing from just defence. To an all- court player who can transition to offence, crank the FH, and become the more aggressive, offensive player everyone has been clamoring for. Andy has been changing. He’s already been doing what everyone has been bickering about… You’ve just got to look close to see it.

That is why I said at the beginning of this piece that if Roddick can stay healthy for 3 or 4 straight months we will see him be a lot more competitive then we have in years, and more aggressive offensively in getting there.

Fast Forward from the AO 11 beatdown, through about 4 months of on and off injuries to the US Open 2011. Roddick gets to the QF’s(Something I predicted in a match by match breakdown, that we can dig up if anyone wants to)

What happened to Roddick enroute to the 2011 US Open QF’s is a microcosm of the changes he’s making. He started the tourney playing Michael Russell and Jack Sock. And Roddick was getting bullied around the court. Roddick was the defender, the pusher, if you will. But Roddick, had almost NO match play under his belt…and he was playing his way into the tourney. He was playing his way into the summer. He’d hit so fewer balls then anyone in the Top 100 that year it wasn’t even funny.

But although Roddick road his serve, and defence through the first 3 rounds of the tourney he slowly became more aggressive. You first saw it against Julien Benneteau in R3, and it became a LOT more obvious against Ferrer in the Round of 16. The fact is if Roddick had player Ferrer in the first round of the Open in 11’ he would have lost 4,3 and 2. As it was, Roddick had a dream draw of Russell, Sock and Benneteau and he had the luxury of riding his serve and slice, dice defence, to work his way into the tourney. Slowly, getting a little more aggressive as the matches wore on.

Now Fast Forward to the AO 12’. Roddick draws Robin Haase and then his old foe Hewitt. Roddick is 4 sets up and 4 down before pulling the hammy near the beginning of the 2nd set against Hewitt. Roddick is a trooper and fought it out…but he was toast.

The Roddick that played those first 4 sets of the AO this year would have beaten 2011 Stan Wawrinka and would have embarrassed 2011 Australian Open version of himself.

The fact is though that Andy is breaking down. Getting injured, more and more. It happened to Hewitt and it is happening to Andy.

BUT, and it’s a big BUT, if Andy can stay healthy for several straight months you will see Andy become a lot more aggressive. It might be 1 step back and 2 steps forward like we saw with his loss in San Jose….but while no one seems to believe in Roddick anymore. I see what he’s doing. The transition he’s making.

And if Roddick can stay healthy. Big IF….he can be a big player. A danger to anyone outside the Top 4 and a guy that can work his way back into the Top 10

Laugh all you want.
 

Caesar

Banned
TL;DR.

Roddick is a good player who won a slam and contended for others during his peak. He's past his prime but still can still threaten most of the top players on a good day and when his body is fit.
 

Jack Romeo

Professional
i noticed you didn't mention the years when he worked with jimmy connors, when he was being encouraged to attack the net more. it wasn't effective, though, due to a number of factors. first, surfaces were getting slower and it was becoming easier for the baseliner to hit passing shots. second, string technology had gotten to a point where even deep, well-placed approaches were not good enough to put pressure. third, andy himself usually used questionable tactics. i noticed that he preferred to hit slice approaches cross court and didn't vary it enough by hitting down the line or down the center. fourth, he really wasn't that good with the volley. i think that nadal is more effective at net. fifth, he didn't have a great return. i feel that in the current era, dating back to the early 00's, the return has become the most important shot in the game. so even if his serve was massive, opponents knew that if they only converted one break chance, they would be more or less home free for that particular set.

anyway, with regards to him getting back to the top ten, i think it's a big question. as you say, his health is too much of a factor. his physical style, his snappy-jerky strokes and his age are all becoming reasons why i don't think he can put together an injury-free season anymore. we saw it with hewitt - as you correctly pointed out. not just hewitt but also andy's other contemporaries like ferrero, safin, coria and gaudio. we also saw it with past greats like lendl and courier. when these guys tumbled out of the top ranks, they never really made it back.

andy's wife recently had a slip of the tongue, saying she expects roddick to retire in about 2 years. i'm speculating maybe andy really did say something like that to her - in confidence, of course. i think time will tell that she really was prescient with her words.
 

Qubax

Professional
Yah Andy did try and serve and volley more with Connors on board. Andy just always had such bricks for hands. They've gotten a little better over the years, but yah his decision making on when to come to the net(other then on an out wide serve) was often poor. Combine that with meh hands and it wasn't the greatest play for Andy.

Mind you maybe Andy should have spent more time on the court trying to volley and really spending a lot of "court time" trying to improve that...


He and Connors may have strategized some, but he never seemed to really committ in practice for a long enough period of time to make strides.
 

Jack Romeo

Professional
i have to stress the fact about his return being arguably the weakest part of his game - unfortunately at a time when it has become arguably the most important shot in the game.

attacking players like sampras, edberg, mcenroe and rafter put immense pressure on their opponents because they not only served and volleyed, they also returned and volleyed. roddick doesn't or never had this option because he always started his return games on neutral terms or on the defensive. so he could really be offensive only about half the time. now that he's older, i don't think that part of his game is gonna improve anymore.
 

pmerk34

Legend
TL;DR.

Roddick is a good player who won a slam and contended for others during his peak. He's past his prime but still can still threaten most of the top players on a good day and when his body is fit.

The slowing of the surfaces didn't help him. His body type didn't help him either. In 2001-2003 he was thinner and seemed lighter on his feet. The last few years he looks much thicker in the shoulders etc. He seems to have very little body fat but I don't think the weight of the added muscle helped him either.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
During Phase 1: Roddick saw some gains. He beat Nadal in a ATP 1000 Final,

It was actually the semi-final of 2010 Miami. He beat Berdych in the final.

The first half of 2010 was Roddick's last really good year on tour. Since then he has been beset by mono and a string of injuries.
 
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Magnetite

Professional
Great, but this guy (quoted below) says everything in two sentences.

TL;DR.

Roddick is a good player who won a slam and contended for others during his peak. He's past his prime but still can still threaten most of the top players on a good day and when his body is fit.
 

Qubax

Professional
i have to stress the fact about his return being arguably the weakest part of his game - unfortunately at a time when it has become arguably the most important shot in the game.

attacking players like sampras, edberg, mcenroe and rafter put immense pressure on their opponents because they not only served and volleyed, they also returned and volleyed. roddick doesn't or never had this option because he always started his return games on neutral terms or on the defensive. so he could really be offensive only about half the time. now that he's older, i don't think that part of his game is gonna improve anymore.

This is true Jack Romeo. And it probably held him back.

BUT, one of the things that mitigated this some what is that most opponents couldn't get into a Rhythm against Andy's serve. And, well, he's a quick server(and obviously a good one)....So Andy often would get holds in like a minute and 5 secs and opponents would spend a lot of time on their own service games.

Even though Andy rarely broke, about 70% of the match time was spent on the opponents service games...putting them under continual pressure to not make a mistake.

A double fault here, a weak 2nd serve there, and if Andy ever squeaked out a break the set and often the match was usually over.

Ofcourse this worked mainly towards the first half of his career and against player outside the top 5 of most of his tenure near the top of the game. But you get the idea.
 
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Qubax

Professional
It was actually the semi-final of 2010 Miami. He beat Berdych in the final.

The first half of 2010 was Roddick's last really good year on tour. Since then he has been beset by mono and a string of injuries.

Ahhh...your right. Impressive nonetheless. I remember that...it had a Final feel.
 

kaku

Professional
I always get frustrated when he hits his slice approaches because it is bait for the top guys to pass him. Nowadays when he gets a forehand DTL, he will just hit a loopy topspin shot. Years ago he would have fired that forehand DTL
 
The lack of return is/was his biggest problem. 2009 was heartbreaking he actaully outplayed Fed but mentally Fed has him all figured out. Sad about that one really but you know hats off to Fed, beating someone who actually out played him, that's a real mark of greatness.
 

Crazy man

Banned
The lack of return is/was his biggest problem. 2009 was heartbreaking he actaully outplayed Fed but mentally Fed has him all figured out. Sad about that one really but you know hats off to Fed, beating someone who actually out played him, that's a real mark of greatness.

Nah, they were at an even keel. Now Wimbledon 2007 final was impressive. Federer got outplayed in that match. Even in the fifth set Nadal had 15-40 twice I believe....How Federer managed to win it let alone 6-2 final set I don't know.
 
N

Nathaniel_Near

Guest
I had a joke but it would just be too cruel considering the impressive amount of effort you've put into the thread.


My lips are sealed. *sad face*

I think your points on him evolving too late are very valid though. One thing I could never understand were his later developed defensive instincts and out-grinding style, which seem to belie his more natural tennis assets. He was bullied by Roger and then confused his own game.
 
This post is waaaay to intelligent and well put together to be on this board!!

But seriously, if Andy can stay healthy he can become a major player again. Even when he becomes healthy, a lot of it will depend on his confidence. When you are battling through injuries it can take a toll on your confidence. You worry about cutting too hard and reinjuring a foot. You move more tentatively, which puts you at a disadvantage. Or at least that's my experience. Confidence is a big part of a player with an aggressive mentality. At times, more important than the "official" clean bill of health from the DR.
But yeah, the long story short is Andy needs about 3-4 months of relatively injury free playing time to get his confidence back, then we'll see him maybe get a second career wind.
 

Qubax

Professional
Bump....


here's comes the FH....been calling it's emergence for awhile....

Worthwhile original post read...
 

1477aces

Hall of Fame
Yah Andy did try and serve and volley more with Connors on board. Andy just always had such bricks for hands. They've gotten a little better over the years, but yah his decision making on when to come to the net(other then on an out wide serve) was often poor. Combine that with meh hands and it wasn't the greatest play for Andy.

Mind you maybe Andy should have spent more time on the court trying to volley and really spending a lot of "court time" trying to improve that...


He and Connors may have strategized some, but he never seemed to really committ in practice for a long enough period of time to make strides.

what do you mean, he out served and volleyed sampras in 01. He used to S and V like everybody back then, and was good. Then transition a few years, its the thing to play from the baseline, like federer started to do. So roddick stopped volleying and stopped practicing it, and just played from the baseline. I think roddick used to have a good volley and a fast, hard forehand (watch 04 wimby final against peak federer)
 

Cup8489

G.O.A.T.
what do you mean, he out served and volleyed sampras in 01. He used to S and V like everybody back then, and was good. Then transition a few years, its the thing to play from the baseline, like federer started to do. So roddick stopped volleying and stopped practicing it, and just played from the baseline. I think roddick used to have a good volley and a fast, hard forehand (watch 04 wimby final against peak federer)

No, he definitely has never been a serve and volleyer. he's tried it a few times, but it's never really worked.
 
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