Animals as Friends / Polar bear Bison etc..

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chrischris

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Turns out huge animals , Bison,Lions, Polar Bears ,Hippos and even Hyenas can be friendly and respectful without whips and chains.

One example is Wildthing a Bison and his Buddy in Texas , cowboy RC Bridges.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imyrY-IBs68

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pic...dges-at-home-with-his-pet-bison-in-Texas.html

another Kevin Richardson and hyenas

http://vimeo.com/33152502

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/kevin-richardson-hugs-lions-hyenas-3014414


Looks like there is a different side to animals that we tend to think of as purely dangerous and wildly unreliable.

They have the ability to be kind of friendly and loyal.
 
dParis

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chrischris said:
Turns out huge animals , Bison,Lions, Polar Bears ,Hippos and even Hyenas can be friendly and respectful without whips and chains.

One example is Wildthing a Bison and his Buddy in Texas , cowboy RC Bridges.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imyrY-IBs68

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pic...dges-at-home-with-his-pet-bison-in-Texas.html

another Kevin Richardson and hyenas

http://vimeo.com/33152502

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/kevin-richardson-hugs-lions-hyenas-3014414


Looks like there is a different side to animals that we tend to think of as purely dangerous and wildly unreliable.

They have the ability to be kind of friendly and loyal.
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"This is news?" - Grizzly Adams
 
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chrischris

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Well when did you see a Bison walk through a living room and kitchen with respect for the porcelain and other ornaments without knocking things over before?

In some cartoon maybe??:)
 
ollinger

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I don't know that "loyalty" is something you can count on with ANY species. Siegfried and Roy found out about this the hard way, and the woman in Connecticut who watched her pet chimp eat her friend's face and limbs had no greater luck subduing the animal than her friend did.
 
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sureshs

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Plenty of cases of circus tigers turning on their masters, elephants crushing their mahouts, and so on. It is unfair to expect wild animals to give up their instincts.
 
ollinger

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^^ a friend of mine has a Vietnamese Pig as a pet. It's about the size of a bulldog, not exactly affectionate but they let it roam the house once in a while, generally keeping it in an outdoor pen. My friend doesn't seem all that attached to it and might be willing to part ways.
 
Mr.Lob

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chrischris said:
Turns out huge animals , Bison,Lions, Polar Bears ,Hippos and even Hyenas can be friendly and respectful without whips and chains.

One example is Wildthing a Bison and his Buddy in Texas , cowboy RC Bridges.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imyrY-IBs68

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pic...dges-at-home-with-his-pet-bison-in-Texas.html

another Kevin Richardson and hyenas

http://vimeo.com/33152502

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/kevin-richardson-hugs-lions-hyenas-3014414


Looks like there is a different side to animals that we tend to think of as purely dangerous and wildly unreliable.

They have the ability to be kind of friendly and loyal.
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The Kevin Richardson videos were pretty cool. The animals looked well fed... which is good for him.
 
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chrischris

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sureshs said:
Plenty of cases of circus tigers turning on their masters, elephants crushing their mahouts, and so on. It is unfair to expect wild animals to give up their instincts.
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Thats not what im refering to in OP. Its in fact allowing for instinct to guide them to safety.


still what you are saying is sad of course but not what this thread is about.
 
mikeler

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chrischris said:
Thats not what im refering to in OP. Its in fact allowing for instinct to guide them to safety.


still what you are saying is sad of course but not what this thread is about.
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I doubt you'll stick to the topic of the thread much longer before talking about something else.
 
Steady Eddy

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Mark Twain said that if you feed a starving dog, it will not bite you. And that is the difference between a man and a dog. Maybe dogs aren't perfectly loyal, but they are more loyal than people.
 
Sentinel

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sureshs said:
Plenty of cases of circus tigers turning on their masters, elephants crushing their mahouts, and so on. It is unfair to expect wild animals to give up their instincts.
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Unfair to cage and treat (ill-treat) living creatures like that, no ?

I have read of some place in Thailand or so where these monks have dozens of tigers loose, and tourists come and touch them, walk about them etc.
 
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LeeD

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Remember that show a few years ago, this mountain man hanging around with Grizzly bears? Like he was fine a few years, then one day, got bit.
 
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chrischris

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Seems many are mindframed by fear of animals.

Perhaps its due to the 'If It Bleeds,It Leads'
headline and news bias and culture we are living in


Have a look at these videos and stories in the OP and see that there is another side to the story.!
 
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sureshs

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What about those Disney movies and cartoons which show animals as having human-like characteristics and being "good?" Should children be misled into thinking that way or is it better to expose them to videos of animals killing and eating each other to show how Nature really is - a brutal struggle for existence?
 
heninfan99

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And what about Furries? In their case a struggle to buy the right animal suit for deviant behavior.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_fandom#Conventions

sureshs said:
What about those Disney movies and cartoons which show animals as having human-like characteristics and being "good?" Should children be misled into thinking that way or is it better to expose them to videos of animals killing and eating each other to show how Nature really is - a brutal struggle for existence?
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WildVolley

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sureshs said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_Temple
http://www.tigertemplethailand.com/
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Wow, that looks like a really bad idea. Saw some tigers up close in Asia, but didn't pay to pet one and have a picture taken with one. Those are some beautiful and terrifying cats. Really sort of amazing that they haven't all been killed off once you've been a few feet away from one.

If you want animal friends, get a pet dog or cat. Both of these animals have been domesticated for thousands of years, and even then they can still be dangerous. Dogs are pack animals and if you raise them yourself from pups, they can be amazingly loyal though still potentially dangerous to strangers. Kittens still need to be tamed and will start by hissing at you when you first handle them. I've actually had some loyal cats, and as the famous recent video shows some cats will actually protect their owners.
 
Mr.Lob

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chrischris said:
Isnt it?

A bunch of hyenas treaing him as a member of the group and him treating them with strong respect.
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Saw a video on ESPN a few minutes ago of Kevin Richardson playing soccer with 3 lions. He was winning till a lion ate him. Just kidding. Richardson was wearing a suit and tie. The lions were wearing fur.
 
OTMPut

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sureshs said:
What about those Disney movies and cartoons which show animals as having human-like characteristics and being "good?" Should children be misled into thinking that way or is it better to expose them to videos of animals killing and eating each other to show how Nature really is - a brutal struggle for existence?
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Children should also be exposed to videos of how the animals that they read about in their books and learn/imitate sounds from are kept and slaughtered in slaughterhouses and how it ends up in their plate lovingly cooked by mommy.

I never understood this dichotomy.
 
Steady Eddy

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sureshs said:
What about those Disney movies and cartoons which show animals as having human-like characteristics and being "good?" Should children be misled into thinking that way or is it better to expose them to videos of animals killing and eating each other to show how Nature really is - a brutal struggle for existence?
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Maybe protect them from reality when they're very young? But eventually I think the truth ought to win.
 
max

max

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I think one problem is a lack of perspective: too many people live in suburbs and are distant from animals outside of pets. This causes nutty things like contraceptives for deer.
 
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Essi

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OTMPut said:
Children should also be exposed to videos of how the animals that they read about in their books and learn/imitate sounds from are kept and slaughtered in slaughterhouses and how it ends up in their plate lovingly cooked by mommy.

I never understood this dichotomy.
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Excellent point.
 
heninfan99

heninfan99

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Would you be okay with a grandfather showing junior how to hunt/fish and cook/prepare meat as well?

OTMPut said:
Children should also be exposed to videos of how the animals that they read about in their books and learn/imitate sounds from are kept and slaughtered in slaughterhouses and how it ends up in their plate lovingly cooked by mommy.

I never understood this dichotomy.
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OTMPut

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heninfan99 said:
Would you be okay with a grandfather showing junior how to hunt/fish and cook/prepare meat as well?
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Yes, if both lived in wild and if that was the only way to survive.

Not when they live a few feet away from a refrigerator and perhaps 5 minutes away from a supermarket full of fruits, vegetables and grains.
Hunting is unnecessary cruelty in modern lives. A frivolous activity.

Would be nice if the grandfather taught the boy gardening and at the same time talked to the boy about how reasoning and thinking are his only recourse to a happy life.
 
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Essi

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OTMPut said:
Yes, if both lived in wild and if that was the only way to survive.

Not when they live a few feet away from a refrigerator and perhaps 5 minutes away from a supermarket full of fruits, vegetables and grains.
Hunting is unnecessary cruelty in modern lives. A frivolous activity.

Would be nice if the grandfather taught the boy gardening and at the same time talked to the boy about how reasoning and thinking are his only recourse to a happy life.
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Another excellent point. Seems like you might be full of them, a rare find I am afraid.
 
heninfan99

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Fishing is not frivolous if you like fish. Certain fish are hard to purchase. My favorite is tail of sand shark but I also like my fruits.


OTMPut said:
Yes, if both lived in wild and if that was the only way to survive.

Not when they live a few feet away from a refrigerator and perhaps 5 minutes away from a supermarket full of fruits, vegetables and grains.
Hunting is unnecessary cruelty in modern lives. A frivolous activity.

Would be nice if the grandfather taught the boy gardening and at the same time talked to the boy about how reasoning and thinking are his only recourse to a happy life.
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Sentinel

Sentinel

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sureshs said:
What about those Disney movies and cartoons which show animals as having human-like characteristics and being "good?" Should children be misled into thinking that way or is it better to expose them to videos of animals killing and eating each other to show how Nature really is - a brutal struggle for existence?
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That's what Discovery and Animal Planet are for.
 
dParis

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OTMPut said:
Yes, if both lived in wild and if that was the only way to survive.

Not when they live a few feet away from a refrigerator and perhaps 5 minutes away from a supermarket full of fruits, vegetables and grains.
Hunting is unnecessary cruelty in modern lives. A frivolous activity.

Would be nice if the grandfather taught the boy gardening and at the same time talked to the boy about how reasoning and thinking are his only recourse to a happy life.
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Sounds like a crusader wanting to bring supermarkets (not to mention thought and reasoning) to the hunting and fishing savages. You eat what you like to eat, others will eat what they like. We are natural omnivores. Eating what you catch is hardly "frivolous".
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Yes. Werner Herzog made a great documentary called Grizzly Man. I saw it and it was really good.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0427312/
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Herzog documented a year in the life of some Siberian villagers in Happy People. It was fascinating. I think I like his style. I'll have to check out Grizzly Man some day.
 
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chrischris

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sureshs said:
What about those Disney movies and cartoons which show animals as having human-like characteristics and being "good?" Should children be misled into thinking that way or is it better to expose them to videos of animals killing and eating each other to show how Nature really is - a brutal struggle for existence?
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A brutal struggle for existence..? Only ?
Zoologists seem to see it a bit more like part of it.
 
Sentinel

Sentinel

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sureshs said:
What about those Disney movies and cartoons which show animals as having human-like characteristics and being "good?" Should children be misled into thinking that way or is it better to expose them to videos of animals killing and eating each other to show how Nature really is - a brutal struggle for existence?
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Suresh's syllabus for Kindergarten children:

Quarter 1
1. Oldboys
2. Audition
3. Silence of the Lambs and sequels
4. In Cold Blood
5. The skin I live in

Quarter 2
1. Kill Bill 1 and 2
2. Taxi Driver
3. Goodfellas
4. Godfather
5. Reservoir Dogs
6. Perfume - The Story of a Murderer

Quarter 3
1. A Serbian movie
2. Human C.
3. Cannibal Holocaust
4. Murder in the First/Sleeper
5. Blue is the warmest color


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Sentinel

Sentinel

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sureshs said:
What about those Disney movies and cartoons which show animals as having human-like characteristics and being "good?" Should children be misled into thinking that way or is it better to expose them to videos of animals killing and eating each other to show how Nature really is - a brutal struggle for existence?
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Ain't seen Tom n Jerry, bro ?

Or what about that Coyote and the Roadrunner ?
 
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