AP article about Mirza and thoughts of her quitting

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Semi-Pro
MELBOURNE, Australia -- In her darkest moments, Sania Mirza wonders if she should quit tennis.

The Indian tennis star wishes her only concern before a match was to study her opponent. But it is hardly that simple.

"It's not easy to deal with things like that off the court ... I am not superhuman, so it does affect me," Mirza said Tuesday after her first-round victory at the Australian Open. "As much as I try to block it out, it's still in the back of your mind."

When she first came on the WTA Tour full time three years ago -- her first Grand Slam was the Australian Open in 2005 -- she was often criticized for her short skirts and midriff-revealing T-shirts that put her at odds with sections of the orthodox Muslim clergy.

As of last week, she's having her nationalism questioned.

She was photographed at the Hopman Cup mixed team tournament in Perth, Western Australia, in early January with her bare feet positioned near an Indian flag. On Jan. 9, a social worker went to a court in downtown Bhopal and had a judge issue a summons under the "Prevention of Insult to the National Honor Act."

The court was told that Mirza disrespected the Indian flag by "sitting in a manner so that her feet pointed at the flag, which he felt was derogatory and had hurt him."


Sania Mirza wears modest garb during her Tuesday win. (Getty Images)
Mirza disagrees.

"I wouldn't do anything to disrespect my country. I love my country," said Mirza, who's from the southern Indian city of Hyderabad. "I wouldn't be playing Hopman Cup otherwise. But other than that, I am not allowed to comment because it is before the courts."

She admitted she considered quitting tennis last week, ending a career that has netted one WTA Tour title and seven finals appearances.

"It does play on your mind. You do start to think that at the end of the day, I am not a politician to outsmart people," Mirza said. "That's not what I am trying to do, which is to play tennis. I'm 21 and trying to be the best I can be.

"A lot of thoughts went through my head in the past couple of weeks, and one of the thoughts was (quitting). But I wouldn't say that they were serious enough that I would quit right now."

Eventually on Tuesday, No. 31-seeded Mirza talks about what she did on the court -- a 6-4, 6-2 victory against wild-card entry Iroda Tulyaganova of "It was very tricky to play again, I wasn't sure if I was going to be able to blank out everything and play a tennis match," Mirza said.

In 2005, she became the first Indian woman to advance to the third round of any Grand Slam, losing to Serena Williams here after being granted an Asian region wild card.

This year, she could face Venus Williams in the third round -- if she beats Switzerland's Timea Bascinszky in the second -- providing a calming sense of symmetry to counteract all the off-court madness.

"It is very special; there were a lot of firsts involved," Mirza says of 2005. "I always feel confident when I come back here."

Once she's finished talking about court cases, nationalism, religion and tennis, the inevitable question -- about cricket -- comes up. It is by far the No.1 sport in India.

Last week, India's cricketers threatened to quit their Down Under tour over the suspension of spin bowler Harbhajan Singh for allegedly making racist taunts to an Australian player and after a series of poor umpiring decisions cost them the second test in Sydney.

"At the end of the day, it is a sport, and we deal with bad line calls on a daily basis," Mirza says, then adds, smiling, "I have my own set of controversies to deal with."
 

Phil

Hall of Fame
Why does she feel that her only response to this is to quit tennis? Has she ever heard of LEAVING THE DAMN COUNTRY? India is obviously not mature enough to leave its international celebrities alone and, along with the Muslim thing, she's better up taking up residence in Europe or the States. She's got the dough to do it, no problem.
 

Venetian

Professional
"MELBOURNE, Australia -- In her darkest moments, Sania Mirza wonders if she should quit tennis."

I wish my darkest moments consisted of me thinking about not playing tennis anymore.
 

maverick66

Hall of Fame
Why does she feel that her only response to this is to quit tennis? Has she ever heard of LEAVING THE DAMN COUNTRY? India is obviously not mature enough to leave its international celebrities alone and, along with the Muslim thing, she's better up taking up residence in Europe or the States. She's got the dough to do it, no problem.

i agree with you here. move to another country and apply for citizenship if thas possible. when will people learn that some things just arnt worth it. if the muslims of here country want her gone then leave. better that than have to constantly defend yourself. if she moved she could just brush it off saying there not my problem anymore.
 

Fee

Legend
I feel kind of sorry for Sania. No matter what she does, she cannot win with her 'adoring public.' I agree, she should just leave India for a while and ignore whatever news comes out of there.
 

tacou

G.O.A.T.
no offense but that suggestion is ********. it's not like moving to another house, it's at the age of 21 saying "I guess I will leave my homeland and try to make some other country home." it's part of your identity. Don't get me wrong, I think she's is being ridiculed completely unfairly and that everyone in India should just grow up, but leaving the country isn't that simple.
 

Phil

Hall of Fame
no offense but that suggestion is ********. it's not like moving to another house, it's at the age of 21 saying "I guess I will leave my homeland and try to make some other country home." it's part of your identity. Don't get me wrong, I think she's is being ridiculed completely unfairly and that everyone in India should just grow up, but leaving the country isn't that simple.
Why isn't leaving the country and taking up residence in another country that simple, and why is the suggestion ********? Dozens of tennis players have done the very same thing, and at a younger age, too.
 
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nikdom

Guest
On the one hand, the whole flag issue is stupid and it reflects the thoughts of a few. Truth is she's made a lot of money in India being the ONLY female athlete/star. My friends tell me she appears on billboards everywhere and does a bunch of commercials for everything from colas to toothpaste. India is majority hindu and is relaxed about women and their image in public (ever see bollywood movies with bare midriffs? get mypoint..), but a few of the minority muslims seem to have a problem with her (especially the clergy) since she's muslim and 'exposes' too much.
 
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f1 tech

Semi-Pro
How many of us wish that we can be pro tennis players? She has worked hard all her life to be where she is now and some country or religion wants to take her dream away?

I say moving to another country is not too difficult, especially if you're a professional athlete. Her english is perfect so she'll have no problems.

Hey, I heard Australia is looking for some good tennis players!!
 

Phil

Hall of Fame
But not dozens of Muslim tennis players. And therein lies your answer.
No, therein does not lie my answer; Younes El Aynaoui and Hizam Arazi, both MUSLIMS from Morocco, left their country to live and train in France. Muslims leave India all the time to work. Try something else, smart guy.
 

johnny ballgame

Professional
No, therein does not lie my answer; Younes El Aynaoui and Hizam Arazi, both MUSLIMS from Morocco, left their country to live and train in France. Muslims leave India all the time to work. Try something else, smart guy.

Whoa, I wasn't attacking you. I should explain my meaning further:

Sania Mirza is a national hero in India. Probably way beyond the scale of a Tiger Woods or a Tom Brady or a Peyton Manning in the U.S. She is probably something beyond a hero to many muslims in India.

So, she's a hero to most of the country, and something more than a hero to the ~150 million muslims in the country. It would be highly disappointing to most people in the country if she left. They would probably feel betrayed.

Much more so than many other players who also have national pride, she would probably feel overwhelming guilt by bringing about disappointment to her fans and the country. And that's why it's not that simple for her to just leave. The fact that hindu-muslim relations are not great in the country probably adds to the complexity and to the weight of a decision about leaving the country.

Younes still resides in Morocco, by the way.

Also, smart guy, Arazi moved to France WHEN HE WAS 2 YEARS OLD. Something tells me it wasn't his decision.
 
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Phil

Hall of Fame
Whoa, I wasn't attacking you. I should explain my meaning further:

Sania Mirza is a national hero in India. Probably way beyond the scale of a Tiger Woods or a Tom Brady or a Peyton Manning in the U.S. She is probably something beyond a hero to many muslims in India.

So, she's a hero to most of the country, and something more than a hero to the ~150 million muslims in the country. It would be highly disappointing to most people in the country if she left. They would probably feel betrayed.

Much more so than many other players who also have national pride, she would probably feel overwhelming guilt by bringing about disappointment to her fans and the country. And that's way it's not that simple for her to just leave. The fact that hindu-muslim relations are not great in the country probably adds to the complexity and to the weight of a decision about leaving the country.

Younes still resides in Morocco, by the way.
I understand what you are saying, but is the treatment she has received from the Muslim, and now the Hindu communities, befitting a "national hero"? Doesn't sound like it to me. I'm sure Arazi was quite the hero in Morocco, even as he lived in France. Same goes for Becker and Rafter; heros in their respective countries, who resided in Monaco and the Bahamas respectively while they were actively competing. When does someone find the gumption to just say "I'm not gonna take it anymore?" Maybe India needs to find another "hero", or else treat the ones they have accordingly.
 

johnny ballgame

Professional
I understand what you are saying, but is the treatment she has received from the Muslim, and now the Hindu communities, befitting a "national hero"? Doesn't sound like it to me. I'm sure Arazi was quite the hero in Morocco, even as he lived in France. Same goes for Becker and Rafter; heros in their respective countries, who resided in Monaco and the Bahamas respectively while they were actively competing. When does someone find the gumption to just say "I'm not gonna take it anymore?" Maybe India needs to find another "hero", or else treat the ones they have accordingly.

Fair questions... that I won't pretend to know how to answer. Peace.
 

Legend of Borg

G.O.A.T.
Moving would be a good option for her. Lately I have noticed that some pros are moving to Monaco, or are already living there. Like Djokovic, Borg and some others I can't remember at this moment.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
I don't think she will leave India. First, there seems to be some naive idea that someone can just pack up and move to the West if they have money. Getting an extended length visa is next to impossible for someone from India, and that is a prerequisite for becoming a permanent resident eventually (after dealing with paperwork for years and years). The US government does not ask whether you want to move here - it asks why you would stay for more than a couple of weeks if we let you in. They even ask to see return tickets. After 9/11, background checks are needed to even apply for a visa. Extended stay is possible only if some entity provides guarantee of employment, and even then converting that to a residency reason requires more justification. And after all that, getting your parents to even visit you is another ordeal because they are not considered "immediate family".

Secondly, she is pretty well off, has her own security detail provided by the government, and the majority of people regard her as a hero, even though there are some detractors. She is proud to represent her country, has grown up there, and obviously has emotional ties. It is easy for someone in the West to think she should leave, but that is not how it works. She is also riding a wave of tennis popularity and commercialism (arising out of immense economic growth) which brings in tons of money, while in the West, she would be a nobody, upcoming economic recession notwithstanding.
 

NamRanger

G.O.A.T.
Whoa, I wasn't attacking you. I should explain my meaning further:

Sania Mirza is a national hero in India. Probably way beyond the scale of a Tiger Woods or a Tom Brady or a Peyton Manning in the U.S. She is probably something beyond a hero to many muslims in India.

So, she's a hero to most of the country, and something more than a hero to the ~150 million muslims in the country. It would be highly disappointing to most people in the country if she left. They would probably feel betrayed.

Much more so than many other players who also have national pride, she would probably feel overwhelming guilt by bringing about disappointment to her fans and the country. And that's why it's not that simple for her to just leave. The fact that hindu-muslim relations are not great in the country probably adds to the complexity and to the weight of a decision about leaving the country.

Younes still resides in Morocco, by the way.

Also, smart guy, Arazi moved to France WHEN HE WAS 2 YEARS OLD. Something tells me it wasn't his decision.



Pretty sure Navratilova moved from her original country to the U.S. correct?


I think it had something to do with her sexual orientation, government persecution, etc.
 
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Fee

Legend
She probably spends more than 40 weeks a year on the road already, so setting up a residence in Switzerland (like Moya) or somewhere friendly probably would not be too hard for her. I don't think she should change her citizneship at all, that's not the point, but she definitely needs to live in an environment that is more friendly to her career if she wants to be a top player.

Obviously, the media picks up on the controversial and the bad. This is one guy who filed a complaint about a piece of cloth, a mere symbol, but its not the first time she has been bothered about the simplest stuff. Unfotunately, it seems like she is in a no-win situation. It's a shame, she seems like a decent young woman.
 

johnny ballgame

Professional
She probably spends more than 40 weeks a year on the road already, so setting up a residence in Switzerland (like Moya) or somewhere friendly probably would not be too hard for her. I don't think she should change her citizneship at all, that's not the point, but she definitely needs to live in an environment that is more friendly to her career if she wants to be a top player.

Obviously, the media picks up on the controversial and the bad. This is one guy who filed a complaint about a piece of cloth, a mere symbol, but its not the first time she has been bothered about the simplest stuff. .

Fee/others, I don't see how moving will solve anything. As you say, she's already on the road much of the time. And this Hopman incident obviously occured while she was not at home. Yet the negative press in India still jumped on it. Are we suggesting that the press in India would somehow take a pass on it just because her official place of residence was Switzerland? I don't see it.
 

tacou

G.O.A.T.
^ This poster is exactly right. Leaving won't solve anything, and a lot of you might not have it but some people have pride in their nation. Even if the Indian government are being complete b itches she can't just turn her back on the people of the country who look up to her. All she'd be doing is running away.
 

Fee

Legend
I'm saying that if moving away would give her more peace of mind, then she should consider it. No, it won't stop the negative press, but if it helps her to have some sense of 'distance' then she should do it. I absolutely don't think that she should change her citizenship and I don't think she would ever consider it. She has stated many times that she loves and is proud of her country. It would just be a temporary solution for her peace of mind.
 

Feña14

G.O.A.T.
She should leave, absolutely.

I think most Countries would be glad to have a talented lady like that as a citizen. She would be welcomed with open arms and I can only see her game improving with it.
 

superman1

Legend
Why does she feel that her only response to this is to quit tennis? Has she ever heard of LEAVING THE DAMN COUNTRY? India is obviously not mature enough to leave its international celebrities alone and, along with the Muslim thing, she's better up taking up residence in Europe or the States. She's got the dough to do it, no problem.

They love her in India. She makes the front page every time she wins a match against a somewhat recognizable name. The problem is only a small Muslim minority of uneducated morons who are easily offended. The same people who rioted over that Richard Gere incident. The Hindu majority couldn't care less. In fact, they are utterly embarrassed by how the Western world sees this and gets a false impression of India.
 

Klatu Verata Necktie

Hall of Fame
Sania Mirza is a national hero in India. Probably way beyond the scale of a Tiger Woods or a Tom Brady or a Peyton Manning in the U.S. She is probably something beyond a hero to many muslims in India.

So, she's a hero to most of the country, and something more than a hero to the ~150 million muslims in the country. It would be highly disappointing to most people in the country if she left. They would probably feel betrayed.

Much more so than many other players who also have national pride, she would probably feel overwhelming guilt by bringing about disappointment to her fans and the country. And that's why it's not that simple for her to just leave. The fact that hindu-muslim relations are not great in the country probably adds to the complexity and to the weight of a decision about leaving the country.

Good point. I remember hearing that she is adored by many in India for having the courage to pursue an unorthodox career for a female.
 

tacou

G.O.A.T.
She's rarely in India when all this press gets to her and upsets her, so who cares if she has a house somewhere else, it would still upset here- and that is the issue. The people saying she's disgracing the country etc. are causing her to consider quitting, and wherever she is that will always be the case.
 

Aeropro master

Professional
i am indian, and she is semi-popular in india. She is not as popular as any cricket players though. Most people in India are hindus and are fine with what mirza is doing but since she is muslim, she is constantly being criticized by the muslim clergy. I do not understand why she would quit tennis though, she should just get the problem over with after the AO or become a citizen of another country.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
She probably spends more than 40 weeks a year on the road already, so setting up a residence in Switzerland (like Moya) or somewhere friendly probably would not be too hard for her.

There are practical difficulties, even assuming a country would allow her to stay a while. She might have to enroll in a tennis facility as a reason to stay, and pay for it, while now the government absorbs her costs under special programs. It would be a waste of money unless it was really worth it. Her government paid for her training with Roche earlier, and would certainly pay for top coaches if she continues to reside there. There are also real-life like issues like medical insurance, which we don't think about. She would be ineligible for government healthcare in another country, and would have to buy it herself, and it would be exorbitant for an athlete. When US athletes are discriminated against when they apply for a policy, imagine the case of a foreign athlete. A fracture would set her back maybe $50000 with no one to care for her. Things are really not that simple, nor worth the complexity.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
They love her in India. She makes the front page every time she wins a match against a somewhat recognizable name. The problem is only a small Muslim minority of uneducated morons who are easily offended. The same people who rioted over that Richard Gere incident. The Hindu majority couldn't care less. In fact, they are utterly embarrassed by how the Western world sees this and gets a false impression of India.

Let us not get so carried away. The Richard Gere kissing case was brought by a Hindu lawyer and upheld by a Hindu judge. The flag case has been filed in two states, both by Hindus. I know everyone is into bashing Muslims these days but let us curb our enthusiasm. Plenty of fundamentalists and nationalists in other religions to go around too.
 
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MarkMunk

Guest
Here's a little video about it with photos of the "incident"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1rkrfbBxZY

All I can say is it must be a pain in the ass for her to have to put up with this stuff. She's out proudly representing her country everytime she steps on to the court and people are still questioning her nationalism? Atleast with players like Andy Roddick, all that's criticized is his tennis, not his morality and nationalism.
 

maverick66

Hall of Fame
There are practical difficulties, even assuming a country would allow her to stay a while. She might have to enroll in a tennis facility as a reason to stay, and pay for it, while now the government absorbs her costs under special programs. It would be a waste of money unless it was really worth it. Her government paid for her training with Roche earlier, and would certainly pay for top coaches if she continues to reside there. There are also real-life like issues like medical insurance, which we don't think about. She would be ineligible for government healthcare in another country, and would have to buy it herself, and it would be exorbitant for an athlete. When US athletes are discriminated against when they apply for a policy, imagine the case of a foreign athlete. A fracture would set her back maybe $50000 with no one to care for her. Things are really not that simple, nor worth the complexity.

none of these problems apply to her. money is not an issue for a high ranked female tennis player. she can afford health care and her own coaching. also a country wont turn her back unless she has done something really bad that they would feel would embarres there country. she could leave very easliy if she wanted to. many people have changed citzenship in there life. plus lets say she goes to a big country in the west and starts winning the sponsorships would roll in more than now due to the fact its not a poor country.
 

xanctus

Semi-Pro
So, she's a hero to most of the country, and something more than a hero to the ~150 million muslims in the country. It would be highly disappointing to most people in the country if she left. They would probably feel betrayed.

Other possibilities is that family threat if she leaves the country. Remember, there are many crazy people out there...not because it's india or else, but these days...killing people is just another part of human living.

And yes, moving other country is not as easy as you all think. How about trying to move yourself to other country where you become a major stranger.

It's not about Sania who is stupid not to take action or want it to quit, but the people from community that need to respect her effort of her career.
 
her darn country needs to friggin relax.

It's really stupid. You watch Indian channels and she is in so many ads which are for many different products. She's on the news all the time , if she wins or she loses. She gets on the news for making the second round of the stupidest tournaments whereas much bigger tennis news aren't shown. Then, they have complain about things. Actually , according to the commentators, the flag was actually 2 rows infront of her in the Hopman Cup box but the angle of the picture taken made is look different. They need to relax about stuff. I just heard that she could face 3 years of jail time if she is found guilty of disrespecting of flag.
About moving from the country which other people said, Why wouldn't you if you have a great career , money to move and have a chance of facing jail time for the stupidest and smallest things?
 

edberg505

Legend
She faces a possible 3 year jail sentence? That's freakin crazy. Just because she happens to put her feet up to relax and the flag just happens to be in front of her. It's time for her to pack her bags and head straight to Monte Carlo, Monaco.
 
She faces a possible 3 year jail sentence? That's freakin crazy. Just because she happens to put her feet up to relax and the flag just happens to be in front of her. It's time for her to pack her bags and head straight to Monte Carlo, Monaco.

or Switzerland.
haha, yeah, she could face a 3 year jail sentence if proved guilty and the case is going on some court in Bhopal, India right now.
 

Phil

Hall of Fame
There are practical difficulties, even assuming a country would allow her to stay a while. She might have to enroll in a tennis facility as a reason to stay, and pay for it, while now the government absorbs her costs under special programs. It would be a waste of money unless it was really worth it. Her government paid for her training with Roche earlier, and would certainly pay for top coaches if she continues to reside there. There are also real-life like issues like medical insurance, which we don't think about. She would be ineligible for government healthcare in another country, and would have to buy it herself, and it would be exorbitant for an athlete. When US athletes are discriminated against when they apply for a policy, imagine the case of a foreign athlete. A fracture would set her back maybe $50000 with no one to care for her. Things are really not that simple, nor worth the complexity.
This is all moot: she's RICH for crissakes! She can go anywhere she wants to live and STILL play as an Indian national. No one is suggesting that she forsake her citizenship.
 

Fee

Legend
I wonder if certain people in her country are in a more forgiving mood since she made the mixed doubles final?
 

ananda

Semi-Pro
I wonder if certain people in her country are in a more forgiving mood since she made the mixed doubles final?
what worried me is a pic showing her hugging Bhupathi after their semi win.
I am worried someone is going to pick that up and make a noise.

I doubt the conservatives here care a rat's *** about her making (or even winning) the finals.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
what worried me is a pic showing her hugging Bhupathi after their semi win.
I am worried someone is going to pick that up and make a noise.

I doubt the conservatives here care a rat's *** about her making (or even winning) the finals.

Actually, the "conservatives" are probably delighted she didn't win. A woman winning a Slam? What will happen to their daughters? How will they be able to control them with religious brainwashing if such things are allowed to happen? It is bad enough that they show these things on TV, but one of their own doing it and setting a bad example? No way. Bring her down on some pretext or the other. That is the "conservative" mindset, regardless of how shrewdly it is disguised. It is the same everywhere, difference is in degree and whether the law allows it. Religion is a good shield of course.
 

Shangri La

Hall of Fame
She will earn much more, recognition-wise and financially, as an Indian hero as opposed to jsut another top 30 WTA player.

Whats so hard to understand?
 

racquet_jedi

Professional
No, therein does not lie my answer; Younes El Aynaoui and Hizam Arazi, both MUSLIMS from Morocco, left their country to live and train in France. Muslims leave India all the time to work. Try something else, smart guy.

Younes and Hizami are both male (right?)...

I don't think Muslims have any problems with males wearing shorts and tennis shirts, however, Sania is female, and females are expected to submit to males and be modest. Their problem is that they don't like that she wears skirts and the shirts she wears...

I do agree that the Muslim minority is overreacting, however, if she decides to leave India, it would be a lengthy process, she can decide whether it is worth it or not.

Hmm, if she just threatened to leave India because of this whole thing, could it be a solution? Or could potentially create something worse?
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
I don't think Muslims have any problems with males wearing shorts and tennis shirts, however, Sania is female, and females are expected to submit to males and be modest. Their problem is that they don't like that she wears skirts and the shirts she wears...

I do agree that the Muslim minority is overreacting, however, if she decides to leave India, it would be a lengthy process, she can decide whether it is worth it or not.

Hmm, if she just threatened to leave India because of this whole thing, could it be a solution? Or could potentially create something worse?

To get some facts straight:

1. The two flag cases against her were not brought by Muslims. The mosque ad complaint was.

2. Couple of top Iraqi Davis Cup players were shot dead last year for wearing shorts, after being repeatedly warned not to do so. This was in the context of the U.S. occupation of Iraq, so it probably was a statement of some kind rather than a prevailing attitude.
 
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