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By that logic, ND is better than Fed, but we all know that's not true.
right, so your point was hogwash
At this very moment who you rate higher: Djokovic or Nadal
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right, so your point was hogwash
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Chadillac
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Wtf's and weeks #1 puts djok clearly on top. Djok has never been caught using ped's too.
Has djok ever defended a non clay court title? Ohh ya, the wtf 4 times
Has djok ever defended a non clay court title? Ohh ya, the wtf 4 times
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Wtf's and weeks #1 puts djok clearly on top. Djok has never been caught using ped's too.
Has djok ever defended a non clay court title? Ohh ya, the wtf 4 times
true. and AO and Wimbledon and Miami and others, including on clay...Rome.
Steve0904
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right, so your point was hogwash
That depends on whether you use "H2H" logic to compare all players.
nadalfan2013
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14Goldal will always be greater than 12Bronzokovic
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youre right thats why murrays better than nadal. 2>1 #faillogic
nadalfan2013
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14 > 12
Gold > Bronze
Murray has 3 slams, so even though he has an additional Gold it doesn't make up for an 11 slams deficit
You are the one who has no logic.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
Not really. There are experts that place Borg over Nadal. Slams are just part of the equation.
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14 > 12
Gold > Bronze
Murray has 3 slams, so even though he has an additional Gold it doesn't make up for an 11 slams deficit
You are the one who has no logic.
As of now, I agree Nadal had the better career.(although probably not for long, but that's another discussion.) You're the one who made it only about the olympics result. You mentioned nothing of slam total, you wrote: "14Goldal will always be greater than 12Bronzokovic"
Again, no logic.
nadalfan2013
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14Goldal and 12Bronzokovic. It's right there, I did mention the slam totals.
You need glasses.
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GabeT
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Nole has more time as number1 and that's very important.
He has a better record than Nadal everywhere except the French Open. Better in AO, Wimby and USO. Of course more of everything else (masters and WTFs).
Nadal has only one thing, the French Open.
And the h2h means nothing for either player.
He has a better record than Nadal everywhere except the French Open. Better in AO, Wimby and USO. Of course more of everything else (masters and WTFs).
Nadal has only one thing, the French Open.
And the h2h means nothing for either player.
ForLoveOfTheGame
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Peak Nole 2011 has the better quads but peak Rafa 2008 has the better, chunkier calves. Peak Rafa 2006 had less body hair than peak Nole 2015 but he also did not have the nice front swirl above the forehead as legendary 2014 Nole.
Conclusion: unshaven peak Rafa 2009.
Conclusion: unshaven peak Rafa 2009.
Backspin1183
Talk Tennis Guru
As of now Nadal. If Djokovic gets 1 more Slam, he can be considered equal to or even greater than Nadal.
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Chadillac
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Nadal is greater the first half of the year, Djok is greater for the whole year. I dont think there is a better first half player than nadal in the history of the sport, but there is a reason why he holds the record of most weeks at #2.
5555
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Is this just an opinion or you are saying it's a fact that Nadal is currently greater than Djokovic?
ArcspacE
G.O.A.T.
Juicedal > Goldal
Tenisfan3
Professional
Vekic > Dmitrov
nadalfan2013
Professional
Injuries forcing him to lose points year after year.
Tenisfan3
Professional
It is an indisputable FACT.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Nadal is still ahead as of now.
But it has to be mentioned that the difference between him and Nole is much smaller than the one between him and Roger.
But it has to be mentioned that the difference between him and Nole is much smaller than the one between him and Roger.
bigserving
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After seeing the leaked medical report, I am confident that Nadal has spent more time higher than Djokovic!
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4-string
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5555
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Can you prove it?
skynyrd1611
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For me Djokovic, longer dominant force in the game. You could argue Nadal's injury problems were part of the cause and that he was arguably the top man for the period (2008-2013) when Nadal, Djokovic, Federer and Murray were at their most competitive. Overall, I think Djokovic has been more consistent and the top dog for far longer.
Sentinel
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ANDYbhGENIUS
Professional
Fed was rarely near his greatest level vs Nadal, sadly, so all Nadal needed to do is show up in the final, and take out the prey with the number on his chest, carved.
5555
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Tenisfan3, you have lost the argument.
No, I have not. Argument is a discussion in which people express different opinions about something and the nowhereman's post you quoted is not an expression of a different opinion.
Rafa the King
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Can you prove that you aren't the most hated poster on TTW? Can you prove that you aren't considered to be a laughing stock of a human being at TTW? Can you prove that you are not deluded? Can you prove that you are more often called little 666 than your actual forum name?
Nadal.
Had the beating of peak Fed on clay and slow HC, and also registered an impressive W final win against, albeit a mono weakened Fed, but still prime Fed.
He was unlucky to face GOATerer at 2 W finals.
Djokovic has done superbly to dominate the way he has, but the level of playing field downgrades his achievement slightly.
Had the beating of peak Fed on clay and slow HC, and also registered an impressive W final win against, albeit a mono weakened Fed, but still prime Fed.
He was unlucky to face GOATerer at 2 W finals.
Djokovic has done superbly to dominate the way he has, but the level of playing field downgrades his achievement slightly.
nadalfan2013
Professional
Healthy prime Nadal is undefeated.
slatersleuth
Banned
Nadal is undefeated when he wins. Then again so am I, Jimmy Arias, Vaclev Pospisal. That is my response to all the redundant "waah poor Nadal was injured" excuses, along with Fed's never ending mono, or all that other nonsense. I am a Serena fan and she has had more injuries than any of those but I dont cry she was should be on 30+ majors already otherwise. I dont cry my boy Djokovic was robbed of winning the U.S Open by his hanging toenail either.
90's Clay
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Nadal by a clear margin. 25-8 slam record vs. Fed, Nole, and Murray and no 3-4 year mug era to inflate his resume like Fed, Nole had.
Im pretty enticed to put Nadal as open era GOAT Just because of this. If Nole got 3-4 years of "resume inflating" time like Fed/Nole, he would have 21 slams plus to his name chances are. Nole has had 2 years and counting of crap competition.. Fed had 4 years of pretty weak competition from 04-07 where his main competition was Roddick and Sampras Era holdover mid 30s Agassi. And Noles main competition the last few years is declining Murray, On and Off again Stan (Who Nadal owns), Mid 30s Federer and bums like Raonic and Nishikori.
Whereas Nadal had to go through a combination of Prime/Peak Fed, Nole, Murray to win probably 97-99 percent of his slams.
Im pretty enticed to put Nadal as open era GOAT Just because of this. If Nole got 3-4 years of "resume inflating" time like Fed/Nole, he would have 21 slams plus to his name chances are. Nole has had 2 years and counting of crap competition.. Fed had 4 years of pretty weak competition from 04-07 where his main competition was Roddick and Sampras Era holdover mid 30s Agassi. And Noles main competition the last few years is declining Murray, On and Off again Stan (Who Nadal owns), Mid 30s Federer and bums like Raonic and Nishikori.
Whereas Nadal had to go through a combination of Prime/Peak Fed, Nole, Murray to win probably 97-99 percent of his slams.
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nadalfan2013
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Gold - Nadal
Silver - Federer
Bronze - Djokovic
This was not a coincidence.
Silver - Federer
Bronze - Djokovic
This was not a coincidence.
slatersleuth
Banned
Nadal beat peak Fed ONCE on slow HC, how is that having the beating on him? Most times he didnt even get far enough to play him.
Since their achievements are close (14 slams to 12, but Djokovic destroys Nadal in all else, so basically a tie as 2 slams is huge) the tiebreaker for me ultimately is this. 2011-early 2012, fully prime and arguably peak or close to peak Nadal 7 straight loses to Djokovic, including twice in straight sets on clay. Edges it slightly to Djokovic at this point (and when he wins anymore he pulls way ahead).
Nadal matches up well with Fed, everyone knows that, so you have to take his impressive performances vs even prime/peak Fed with a grain of salt. Federer is a bad match up for Djokovic, the same way Nadal is a bad match up for Fed, and Djokovic is a bad match up for Nadal, so of course he wouldnt do as well as Nadal did vs prime Federer, even having a clear winning record. It doesnt mean he is weaker compared to Nadal. If anything the direct Nadal-Djokovic match up is the best barometer to that, and it is obvious Djokovic edges that on all but clay.
As it is not a coincidence that this stupid claim came out from your mouth.
slatersleuth
Banned
By your logic we could say:
Gold- Massu
Silver- Haas
Bronze- Djokovic
no medal- Sampras
And say that was not a coincidence, and draw some stupid conclusion from that.
nadalfan2013
Professional
LOL this has nothing to do with what I said. Federer, Nadal & Djokovic are all-time greats with 10+ slams and had as an ultimate goal to win the Olympics in their careers. They were ready to die for it. Nadal won the Gold medal, Federer the Silver and Djokovic the Bronze. And it was not on clay, the Olympics they entered were on hardcourt and/or grass. Yet Rafa walked away with the Gold. End of discussion. It has nothing to do with other past Olympics or past Slam champions, which can vary from year to year. Tons of nobodies won slams in the past. The Olympics medal results for the Big 3 is very telling, it's the most symbolic, iconic and biggest sports event in history. Don't try to downplay it.
slatersleuth
Banned
OK so a singles Olympic Gold is worth 4 singles slams and the real slam figures are:
Nadal- 18
Fed- 17
Djokovic- 12
Happy now?
nadalfan2013
Professional
Ultimate goal? I don't think so. The event has become more important since 2008, certainly desired but ultimate? No. Murray has won 2 golds. Where does he sit in the pecking order in your opinion?
slatersleuth
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I think his 2 golds probably is big comparing him to people sort of around him (Hewitt, Wawrinka, Vilas, Kuerten). The only one close to him I am not sure it puts him above is Courier due to all his time at #1.
I was responding to the poster saying that winning the Olympic gold was the 'Ultimate' goal. If it was the ultimate goal then surely Murray should be rated higher than Federer, Nadal and Djokovic. If it is merely a tie breaker between players who have had otherwise similar career records - then it is hardly 'Ultimate'. And if it is a tie breaker achievement then the case that Djokovic has achieved more than Nadal already could be made (for myself, I think they are very close one could argue - 2 slams + gold approx equal to 5 wtf and 2 masters 1000
nadalfan2013
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nadalfan2013
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Also Murray has 2 Golds but only has 3 slams. So the difference between him and someone like Djokovic/Nadal/Federer is huge. If he was 10+ slams too, then his 2 Gold medals would come into play. Please don't embarrass yourself anymore.
Rafa the King
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The gold mathers, a great deal imo. Those DC's are kinda important too. But career wise Rafa hasn't had a better career than Rog but has had a better career than Nole. It's just that I find him greater when looking at all the factors, but career wise it's Rog, Rafa, Nole. Greatness wise imo it's Rafa, Rog, Nole. Peak level wise too (overal).
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