Average Time Spent in the ATP Top 100

[Georgepeppard007]

How fluid is the ATP top 100? How quickly does it turn over?

How long does the average ATP pro stay ranked within the top 100?

My guess is that the top 100 turns over relatively quickly.

The big 3 staying at the top for such a long time has distorted perceptions on how hard it is to stay at the top of professional tennis.

 

[tex123]

I don't think anyone cares about top 100. The moment you start to drop out of top 10 you tend to lose interest unless you are a superstar.

 

[Georgepeppard007]

My guess is that a pro starts to break even financially when the reach the top 100. But how long does the typical pro stay there?

Find every player that cracked the top 100 since the open era, and then log how long the player stayed there.

I bet the average time is a few months. Tennis is a terrible career choice.

 

[Tennfan123]

Do the work and let us know.

 

[Georgepeppard007]

Do the work and let us know.

I bet you can ask one of those Microsoft or Google AI programs to do it.

But where can you ranking lists that far back?

 

[travlerajm]

There’s sort of a ‘barrier’ at around 100 in the rankings, that’s hard to break thru. But once you reach the Top 100, your ranking is ‘sticky’ and it’s hard for players outside the top hundred to supplant you.

The reason is that the players outside the top 100 are playing only challenger level events, while players inside the top 100 can get into some of the atp 250 events. So a guy ranked 80 in the world only has to win about 1/4 as much as the guy ranked 120 to stay ahead of the guy ranked 120.

In general, there is not much separating the level of the guys ranked 120 from the guys ranked 80, other than the guy ranked 80 has had at least one good stretch in the last year to ‘break thru’ the barrier.

 

[Georgepeppard007]

There’s sort of a ‘barrier’ at around 100 in the rankings, that’s hard to break thru. But once you reach the Top 100, your ranking is ‘sticky’ and it’s hard for players outside the top hundred to supplant you.

The reason is that the players outside the top 100 are playing only challenger level events, while players inside the top 100 can get into some of the atp 250 events. So a guy ranked 80 in the world only has to win about 1/4 as much as the guy ranked 120 to stay ahead of the guy ranked 120.

In general, there is not much separating the level of the guys ranked 120 from the guys ranked 80, other than the guy ranked 80 has had at least one good stretch in the last year to ‘break thru’ the barrier.

Did not know about this barrier. So interesting.

Maybe the average time an ATP player spends in the top 100 is longer than I thought.

Reminds me of the VIP room at the club that I could never get into back in my younger days.

 

[mahesh69a]

Here's some research paper documenting these : http://kovacsacademy.com/wp-content...How-Top-100-ATP-Players-Succeed-JMST-2015.pdf

"The average number of weeks spent inside the Top100 was 249.70 (+178.73)."

 

[Georgepeppard007]

Here's some research paper documenting these : http://kovacsacademy.com/wp-content...How-Top-100-ATP-Players-Succeed-JMST-2015.pdf

"The average number of weeks spent inside the Top100 was 249.70 (+178.73)."

That is great information thanks.

he average number of weeks spent inside the Top100 was 249.70. A little less than 5 years.

That is longer than I would have expected. So there must be a top 100 barrier. Once a pro reaches the top 100, they tend to stay there. An important milestone.

 

[travlerajm]

That is great information thanks.

he average number of weeks spent inside the Top100 was 249.70. A little less than 5 years.

That is longer than I would have expected. So there must be a top 100 barrier. Once a pro reaches the top 100, they tend to stay there. An important milestone.

You will notice that a disproportionate number of up-and-coming players who are climbing the rankings will finish the year ranked around 110 to 120. It’s because they can climb fast from 200 to there… but then they hit the bottleneck.

Unless they are Top 50 material, they tend to get stuck at about 120 for a few years, until they get lucky conditions that favor them enough to break thru.

 

[Georgepeppard007]

You will notice that a disproportionate number of up-and-coming players who are climbing the rankings will finish the year ranked around 110 to 120. It’s because they can climb fast from 200 to there… but then they hit the bottleneck.

Unless they are Top 50 material, they tend to get stuck at about 120 for a few years, until they get lucky conditions that favor them enough to break thru.

Darwin at his finest.