Can Fed beat Sampras' record ?

Aykhan Mammadov

Hall of Fame
Pete Sampras was born in August 1971 and retired in 2002. He won 14 Grand Slams tournaments during career, more than anybody in the history.

Federer was born in 1981, 10 years later and also in August. At the moment he is 24. At the age 24 (to the end of 1995) Pete won already 7 slams while Fed won only 6.

In the next 2 years 1996-1997 Pete won only 3 slams. I'm sure that Fed has good chances to win at least 4 slams in 2006-2007 to overtake Pete's schedule.
 
It's really interesting how Sampras' and Federer's tennis careers so closely coincide in terms of timing. It makes it really easy and fun to compare eachother's accomplishments and so forth. The way it's looking, I think Federer will beat Sampras' record.

I want to highlight Sampras' loss to Krajicek, the eventual champion, at Wimbledon '96. Had Sampras not lost that match, he would have gone on to win eight consecutive Wimbledon titles. Do you suppose that the same thing could happen to Roger? Seeing as how Sampras' first Wimbledon title came in 1993 and likewise, Federer won his first Wimbledon title in 2003. Who could beat Federer at Wimbledon 2006?
 

doriancito

Hall of Fame
i think he will......he is mroe complete than sampras, im not a fan of federer but I live in reality...he will trust me
 

VGP

Legend
"I want to highlight Sampras' loss to Krajicek, the eventual champion, at Wimbledon '96. Had Sampras not lost that match, he would have gone on to win eight consecutive Wimbledon titles."

Well, that's in hindsight. Who's to say that he would have gotten complacent after winning six...

As for Federer, he's on track. If he stays healthy and driven, he can best Sampras. Especially if the level of competition stays the way it has been for the last couple of years.

He's starting to get challengers though. Nadal on clay and slow hard courts is a tough competitor for him. Gasquet's got game. The guys his age I think feel a bit demoralized at the moment (i.e. Roddick 1:10....). Only if Safin would get healthy and focused. I would love to see a Safin/Federer rivalry. A return of the "fire and ice" type of clashes.

I would love to see someone win a grand slam and Federer's got the best chance. Personally, I think that four in a row should constitute a grand slam, even if not in a calendar year (props to Navratilova and S. Williams, S. Graf would have two). But that's just me.

If Federer can win four, he'll best himself. Sampras didn't even win three in one year.
 

Rpp

Rookie
Aykhan Mammadov said:
Pete Sampras was born in August 1971 and retired in 2002. He won 14 Grand Slams tournaments during career, more than anybody in the history.

Federer was born in 1981, 10 years later and also in August. At the moment he is 24. At the age 24 (to the end of 1995) Pete won already 7 slams while Fed won only 6.

In the next 2 years 1996-1997 Pete won only 3 slams. I'm sure that Fed has good chances to win at least 4 slams in 2006-2007 to overtake Pete's schedule.

I'm sure he can, he will. Fed looks fed up pretty often but showing he is the greatest ever will keep him motivated. And he likely wants RG as well.
 
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laurie

Guest
Pete won three slams in a row which I think is just as impressive as winning three in one year. Maybe its not talked about a lot so a lot of people are not aware of it. It was Wimbledon, US open 1993, Australia 94

I think Federer can get this record. I think its 50/50. What would be impressive is if he played 15 finals and won 15 of them. That WOULD never be beaten. By the end of 1995 Pete had played 9 finals and won 7 while Federer has played 6 and won 6.

I do think Federer will slow down at some point. I think the players who are four, five, six years younger than him will challenge him more than his comtemporaries as they will not have the same fear factor. Nadal has already done so and he's five years younger. Gasquet and these guys have a lot of talent and will get better. Murray seems to fear no one to.

I think the next few years will be interesting. It also keeps tennis in the news because the media will be always interested in records. Which is good for the sport.
 

@wright

Hall of Fame
He definitely can. I'll wait a few more years to see if he will. There are too many factors involved that can stop him dead in his tracks. Anyone would argue he can, but anyone who is arguing that he will is just speculating.
 

DanN

New User
Too many unknowns to say for sure. He could lose interest, he could suffer a really bad injury, etc. He's certainly capable of doing it, but there won't be any way to say for sure. It'll be fun to sit back and watch him over the next few years though.
 

Hops

Rookie
Aykhan Mammadov said:
Pete Sampras was born in August 1971 and retired in 2002. He won 14 Grand Slams tournaments during career, more than anybody in the history.

Federer was born in 1981, 10 years later and also in August. At the moment he is 24. At the age 24 (to the end of 1995) Pete won already 7 slams while Fed won only 6.


http://www.tennis28.com/studies/Federer_Sampras.html


fwiw, this is by far the most frequently visited page on my site.
 

Kevin Patrick

Hall of Fame
Hops do you have any stats on single season records for titles?
I was looking for a list of Laver's wins/losses for '69, can't find it anywhere(even the itf website)
 

urban

Legend
Patrick, Laver won in 1969 a record for open era of 18 tournaments (out of 32 tournaments played. The match record 106-16 matches contains one night stands)). I count the full tournament victories from the book: Education of a tennis players, by Rod Laver/ Bud Collins, (Simon and Schuster) 1971.
1 Brisbane AO (grass) A.Gimeno 63 64 75
2 Philadephia, US pro indoor, T.Roche 75 64 64
3 Orlando, K.Rosewall 63 62
4 Los Angeles, M.Riessen 64 108
5 Johannesburg, South African open (hard) T.Okker 63 108 63
6 Anaheim, R.Holmerg 31-16,31-28 (VASS scoring system)
7 New York MSG R.Emerson 62 46 61
8 London (indoor) Rosewall 86 60
9 Paris FO Rosewall 64 63 64
10 Wimbledon J.Newcombe 64 57 64 64
11 Boston US pro (hard) Newcombe 75 62 46 61
12 St.Louis F.Stolle 75 36 75
13 Binghampton P.Gonzales 61 62
14 Ft. Worth (hard) Rosewall 63 62
15 Baltimore Gonzales 63 36 75 46 86
16 Forest Hills, USO Roche 79 61 62 62
17 London British indoor Roche 64 61 63
18 Madrid (indoor) R.Taylor 63 62.
 
Rogi has the best chance of anybody; if he wins RG soon, that will lift up any remaning mental block of his, and his GS results will most likely soar up, WAY up, maybe even including a calendar-year sweep of the Grand Slams.
 

Kevin Patrick

Hall of Fame
urban, thanks for posting that. Are you sure that all 18 were official titles?
according to the hall of fame, he only won 17 that year:

The year 1969 was Laver's finest, perhaps the best experienced by any player, as he won a open-era record 17 singles tournaments (tied by Guillermo Vilas in 1977) of 32 played on a 106-16 match record. In 1962 he won 19 of 34 on 134-15.

http://www.tennisfame.com/enshrinees/rod_laver.html
 

urban

Legend
I meant Kevin, sorry. I just read, that Federer is injured on his ancle, and can not play at Madrid and Basle. He is dubious for Paris, too, but they hope, that can recover before Shanghai.
 
urban said:
I meant Kevin, sorry. I just read, that Federer is injured on his ancle, and can not play at Madrid and Basle. He is dubious for Paris, too, but they hope, that can recover before Shanghai.

Can you show a link to that information, since I have not seen it anywhere. Thanks.
 

rhubarb

Hall of Fame

urban

Legend
Thank you Rhubarb and Federerhoogenband. I read it on German yahoo. In German they referred to a 'Bänderriss', which means probably 'torn ligament' in English. It is a quite serious injury, not simply a sprained ancle (='Bänderdehnung').
 

urban

Legend
Laver's 1969 titles

urban said:
Patrick, Laver won in 1969 a record for open era of 18 tournaments (out of 32 tournaments played. The match record 106-16 matches contains one night stands)). I count the full tournament victories from the book: Education of a tennis players, by Rod Laver/ Bud Collins, (Simon and Schuster) 1971.
1 Brisbane AO (grass) A.Gimeno 63 64 75
2 Philadephia, US pro indoor, T.Roche 75 64 64
3 Orlando, K.Rosewall 63 62
4 Los Angeles, M.Riessen 64 108
5 Johannesburg, South African open (hard) T.Okker 63 108 63
6 Anaheim, R.Holmerg 31-16,31-28 (VASS scoring system)
7 New York MSG R.Emerson 62 46 61
8 London (indoor) Rosewall 86 60
9 Paris FO Rosewall 64 63 64
10 Wimbledon J.Newcombe 64 57 64 64
11 Boston US pro (hard) Newcombe 75 62 46 61
12 St.Louis F.Stolle 75 36 75
13 Binghampton P.Gonzales 61 62
14 Ft. Worth (hard) Rosewall 63 62
15 Baltimore Gonzales 63 36 75 46 86
16 Forest Hills, USO Roche 79 61 62 62
17 London British indoor Roche 64 61 63
18 Madrid (indoor) R.Taylor 63 62.
 

urban

Legend
Laver's 1969 Titles

urban said:
Patrick, Laver won in 1969 a record for open era of 18 tournaments (out of 32 tournaments played. The match record 106-16 matches contains one night stands)). I count the full tournament victories from the book: Education of a tennis players, by Rod Laver/ Bud Collins, (Simon and Schuster) 1971.
1 Brisbane AO (grass) A.Gimeno 63 64 75
2 Philadephia, US pro indoor, T.Roche 75 64 64
3 Orlando, K.Rosewall 63 62
4 Los Angeles, M.Riessen 64 108
5 Johannesburg, South African open (hard) T.Okker 63 108 63
6 Anaheim, R.Holmerg 31-16,31-28 (VASS scoring system)
7 New York MSG R.Emerson 62 46 61
8 London (indoor) Rosewall 86 60
9 Paris FO Rosewall 64 63 64
10 Wimbledon J.Newcombe 64 57 64 64
11 Boston US pro (hard) Newcombe 75 62 46 61
12 St.Louis F.Stolle 75 36 75
13 Binghampton P.Gonzales 61 62
14 Ft. Worth (hard) Rosewall 63 62
15 Baltimore Gonzales 63 36 75 46 86
16 Forest Hills, USO Roche 79 61 62 62
17 London British indoor Roche 64 61 63
18 Madrid (indoor) R.Taylor 63 62.
 

35ft6

Legend
While I acknowledge that Federer's game is truly spectacular and arguably better rounded than Pete Sampras', I think that we need to consider the level of competition that they played against. Sampras played against HOFers Ivan Lendl, Agassi, Stefan Edberg, Boris Becker and Courier. There were also a lot of other Grand Slam-winning players like Michael Chang, Gustavo Kuerten, Sergi Bruguera, Thomas Muster, etc. In contrast, Federer is dominating an era devoid of serve-and-volleyers and with just three double-major players (Agassi, Hewitt and Safin). While Federer is responsible for holding back the rest of the field, there are simply no great players out there to challenge him. So, given his competition, Federer would need to win a lot more than 14 Slams to surpass Sampras' career accomplishments. (Of course, winning all four in one year would change things.) -- Allan Hee, Berkeley, Calif.

I'm surprised at how often this critique gets raised. There's something tautological about this whole discussion. If one player is swooping up Grand Slam trophies like Halloween candy (please be kind enough to note the seasonal imagery), obviously the list of other active winners will be a small one.

In the case of Sampras, by the time he was cooking in 1990, Lendl, John McEnroe and even Becker were definitely on the decline. And Kuerten, Bruguera, Chang and Muster won their only Slams on clay, a surface on which Sampras was all but a non-entity, so is it really worth counting them? In the prime of his career, Sampras' best contemporaries (we don't dare call them rivals) were whom? I say Edberg and Courier early on. Agassi, Patrick Rafter, Yevgeny Kafelnikov, maybe Goran Ivanisevic throughout. Maybe Hewitt and Safin at the end? Compare that to Federer's "supporting cast" of Hewitt, Roddick, Rafael Nadal, Safin, Agassi and maybe Juan Ferrero, and I don't see such an enormous difference.
Interesting. I agree with the first bolded parts. Titles creates legends, and when one guy is winning everything, yeah, that will diminish the perceived greatness of everybody else.
 

janipyt05

Professional
we'll hav to wait and see. I say all things are possible im sure when samapras was on the rise the same question was asked in the end he beat borg's 5 wimbledon by 2.

The question we should ask is how long will feds want to chase the diffrent records better yet is he even chasing those records, so many threads hav feds breaking, equaling records. Can 1 man want to do that all the time or be jus remembered for trying to break other players records aren't we missing out on the fact that fed has single handedly changed the level of the game.

I'd much rather remember feds for doing what he did best not measuring him to some elses record because what feds has done is his own. I think measuring him to someone esle is great but takes his effort to be himself and play his game and throws it in the bin.
 
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